[opensuse] KDE4 Question
Where does one pose a question about KDE 4? I have the live CD loaded in VMWare and I have a few items to inquire about. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 27 November 2007 09:16:42 pm Kai Ponte wrote:
Where does one pose a question about KDE 4? I have the live CD loaded in VMWare and I have a few items to inquire about.
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On Tuesday 27 November 2007 19:59, Rajko M. wrote:
On Tuesday 27 November 2007 09:16:42 pm Kai Ponte wrote:
Where does one pose a question about KDE 4? I have the live CD loaded in VMWare and I have a few items to inquire about.
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Will do...
BTW, you would be better off with latest version of KDE4. I tried both, live in QEMU and installed. Former is with latest updates better. It looks like usable desktop. I have it in second X session.
You installed it on your production system? /me very confused. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 27 November 2007 10:56:48 pm Kai Ponte wrote:
BTW, you would be better off with latest version of KDE4. I tried both, live in QEMU and installed. Former is with latest updates better. It looks like usable desktop. I have it in second X session.
You installed it on your production system?
/me very confused.
It is very stretchable what is production system ... and I ran test in Qemu first. -- Regards, Rajko. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 27 November 2007 07:16:42 pm Kai Ponte wrote:
Where does one pose a question about KDE 4? I have the live CD loaded in VMWare and I have a few items to inquire about.
Which live CD? 3.96.1 is well worth the update from 3.96.0 although I still inside consider it a Beta product (I refuse at this point to call it RC since some things to me are still severly broken (ksnapshot / akregator to just name 2) But I would love to hear your KDE 4 questions on this list. Ben -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 27 November 2007 20:34, Ben Kevan wrote:
On Tuesday 27 November 2007 07:16:42 pm Kai Ponte wrote:
Where does one pose a question about KDE 4? I have the live CD loaded in VMWare and I have a few items to inquire about.
Which live CD? 3.96.1 is well worth the update from 3.96.0 although I still inside consider it a Beta product (I refuse at this point to call it RC since some things to me are still severly broken (ksnapshot / akregator to just name 2)
Well, I agree. I have the KDE-Four-Live.i686-0.7 ISO file from which I'm booting. It is a live CD of openSUSE/KDE. I can barely make things work - KNotify seems to want to crash every few minutes.
But I would love to hear your KDE 4 questions on this list.
Well, there's this black-bordered area towards the top of the screen. it seems to hold Clippy and Korganizer. I got rid of both from launching but there's still a black box. It wants to cover up this wrench icon hanging out in the top right corner. Hovering over it, I get three boxes - add widgets (which is blocked by the black box thingy), zoom in and zoom out. If I click on zoom out, the picture on the desktop seems to shrink along with all the icons. The kicker panel sill remains. WTF is that? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wednesday 28 November 2007 05:55:00 Kai Ponte wrote:
On Tuesday 27 November 2007 20:34, Ben Kevan wrote: I can barely make things work - KNotify seems to want to crash every few minutes.
That's due to known problems with its xine backend, the community are working them though.
But I would love to hear your KDE 4 questions on this list.
Well, there's this black-bordered area towards the top of the screen. it seems to hold Clippy and Korganizer. I got rid of both from launching but there's still a black box. It wants to cover up this wrench icon hanging out in the top right corner.
That's the system tray - it's back in its usual spot in SVN now.
Hovering over it, I get three boxes - add widgets (which is blocked by the black box thingy), zoom in and zoom out.
If I click on zoom out, the picture on the desktop seems to shrink along with all the icons. The kicker panel sill remains.
WTF is that?
That's "Zooming UI". The idea is (and it's not finished yet) that you can define different groups of panels and applets/gadgets/widgets for different tasks, and zoom and pan between them. It's an extension of the virtual desktops model, but where virtual desktops are not just "more space" but also "different space". Since we have a lot of flexibility in how Plasmoids appear and present themselves, you can specialize the desktop to particular tasks. For example, a media browser containment with no windows, but showing 3d effect previews of your photo collection and video playback. Or a slightly facetious example I've just made up is an 'Online Desktop' which I can switch to which has a large panel taking up the rightmost quarter of my widescreen displaying all my friends Twitters, Facebook updates, ebay auctions, rss feeds, and a 'fullscreened' browser taking up the rest of the screen and synced to the panel contents. The Zooming UI is an attempt to provide a way for the user to switch between all these desktops and 'other interfaces'. I think whoever designed it plays a lot of realtime strategy games. When you zoom out, imagine the grey space is filled with other desktop and interfaces. It's obviously unfinished, however, and I don't know that it will make the cut for the final KDE 4.0. Watch the video from last week's KDE Commit Digest if you want to know more. http://commit-digest.org/issues/2007-11-18/ Techbase page: http://techbase.kde.org/Projects/Plasma/ZUI Will -- Will Stephenson Desktop Engineer KDE Team -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wednesday 28 November 2007 01:58:45 am Will Stephenson wrote:
On Wednesday 28 November 2007 05:55:00 Kai Ponte wrote:
On Tuesday 27 November 2007 20:34, Ben Kevan wrote: I can barely make things work - KNotify seems to want to crash every few minutes.
That's due to known problems with its xine backend, the community are working them though.
But I would love to hear your KDE 4 questions on this list.
Well, there's this black-bordered area towards the top of the screen. it seems to hold Clippy and Korganizer. I got rid of both from launching but there's still a black box. It wants to cover up this wrench icon hanging out in the top right corner.
That's the system tray - it's back in its usual spot in SVN now.
Hovering over it, I get three boxes - add widgets (which is blocked by the black box thingy), zoom in and zoom out.
If I click on zoom out, the picture on the desktop seems to shrink along with all the icons. The kicker panel sill remains.
WTF is that?
That's "Zooming UI". The idea is (and it's not finished yet) that you can define different groups of panels and applets/gadgets/widgets for different tasks, and zoom and pan between them. It's an extension of the virtual desktops model, but where virtual desktops are not just "more space" but also "different space".
Since we have a lot of flexibility in how Plasmoids appear and present themselves, you can specialize the desktop to particular tasks. For example, a media browser containment with no windows, but showing 3d effect previews of your photo collection and video playback. Or a slightly facetious example I've just made up is an 'Online Desktop' which I can switch to which has a large panel taking up the rightmost quarter of my widescreen displaying all my friends Twitters, Facebook updates, ebay auctions, rss feeds, and a 'fullscreened' browser taking up the rest of the screen and synced to the panel contents.
The Zooming UI is an attempt to provide a way for the user to switch between all these desktops and 'other interfaces'. I think whoever designed it plays a lot of realtime strategy games. When you zoom out, imagine the grey space is filled with other desktop and interfaces. It's obviously unfinished, however, and I don't know that it will make the cut for the final KDE 4.0.
Watch the video from last week's KDE Commit Digest if you want to know more.
http://commit-digest.org/issues/2007-11-18/
Techbase page: http://techbase.kde.org/Projects/Plasma/ZUI
Will
-- Will Stephenson Desktop Engineer KDE Team
Great reply Will. I will finally be more excited about KDE 4 once the "task bar" is functional, or we can actually move plasmoids around on it (right now for me all the plasmoids are static). Can't wait to see how easily configurable the plasmoids are (again most importantly the bar since I am pretty specific on the size of the bar I want lol). Thanks for the heads up and the video was great and I hope I don't bug you guys with the bug reports i've been putting in haha.. Ben -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wednesday 28 November 2007 01:58, Will Stephenson wrote:
On Wednesday 28 November 2007 05:55:00 Kai Ponte wrote:
On Tuesday 27 November 2007 20:34, Ben Kevan wrote: I can barely make things work - KNotify seems to want to crash every few minutes.
That's due to known problems with its xine backend, the community are working them though.
But I would love to hear your KDE 4 questions on this list.
Well, there's this black-bordered area towards the top of the screen. it seems to hold Clippy and Korganizer. I got rid of both from launching but there's still a black box. It wants to cover up this wrench icon hanging out in the top right corner.
That's the system tray - it's back in its usual spot in SVN now.
Ahh, okay, thanks!
Hovering over it, I get three boxes - add widgets (which is blocked by the black box thingy), zoom in and zoom out.
If I click on zoom out, the picture on the desktop seems to shrink along with all the icons. The kicker panel sill remains.
WTF is that?
That's "Zooming UI".
<snip> Very cool. Thanks for the update. That appears to be way more useful a feature than the wierd "floating applicaitons" you see in Vista. (I occasionally activate that and can't figure how to get rid of it. Just out of curiosity - is Dolphin the default File Manager and replacing Konqueror? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Thursday 29 November 2007, Kai Ponte said:
Very cool. Thanks for the update. That appears to be way more useful a feature than the wierd "floating applicaitons" you see in Vista. (I occasionally activate that and can't figure how to get rid of it.
You might be interested in the 'Dashboard mode' in KDE4 activated with ctrl+f12 which brings your applets to the foreground and dims the rest of the display.
Just out of curiosity - is Dolphin the default File Manager and replacing Konqueror?
Dolphin is the default but Konqueror is available as a file manager, and of course this is configurable. Will -- Desktop Engineer KDE Team -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Thursday 29 November 2007 04:41:57 am Will Stephenson wrote:
On Thursday 29 November 2007, Kai Ponte said:
Very cool. Thanks for the update. That appears to be way more useful a feature than the wierd "floating applicaitons" you see in Vista. (I occasionally activate that and can't figure how to get rid of it.
You might be interested in the 'Dashboard mode' in KDE4 activated with ctrl+f12 which brings your applets to the foreground and dims the rest of the display.
Just out of curiosity - is Dolphin the default File Manager and replacing Konqueror?
Dolphin is the default but Konqueror is available as a file manager, and of course this is configurable.
Will
Will, For me the "Lock / Logout" Plasmoid is semi broken and ones like the "New Device Notified" can't be dragged because it recognizes the click to do another function. Will thing like that be fixed before the final or is that more maintenence / cleanup for 4.0.X or 4.X.X? Also wguessing the "Personal Files" will open in Dolphin and not in Konq in the final since Dolphin is the File Manager. Lastly, when will KDM be polished? I've been using KDE 4 since early beta's and have to say it's starting to look really polished. You guys are donig a great job. Keep it up. Ben -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Thursday 29 November 2007, Ben Kevan said:
For me the "Lock / Logout" Plasmoid is semi broken and ones like the "New Device Notified" can't be dragged because it recognizes the click to do another function. Will thing like that be fixed before the final or is that more maintenence / cleanup for 4.0.X or 4.X.X?
Yes, I expect so. On yesterday's SVN Lock/Logout is broken in that it initially renders in a smaller area than it needs. AFAIK this is due to some changes that happened in the plasma libs in how applets' contents rectangles are calculated. This is still fairly active and it takes a few days for all the applets to be adapted. The Device Notifier is draggable using its border.
Also wguessing the "Personal Files" will open in Dolphin and not in Konq in the final since Dolphin is the File Manager.
Right.
Lastly, when will KDM be polished?
It's being worked on at the moment, Ossi is doing some spectacular stuff with nested groups for KConfig. I'm not sure exactly what it's for but it probably is something important for KDM. I'll ask around.
I've been using KDE 4 since early beta's and have to say it's starting to look really polished. You guys are donig a great job. Keep it up.
Cheers :) Will -- Desktop Engineer KDE Team -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Kai Ponte wrote:
Where does one pose a question about KDE 4?
Uh....the KDE website. http://www.kde.org/
I have the live CD loaded in VMWare and I have a few items to inquire about.
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