IBM Comment on SCO Press Release June 16, 2003, Armonk, NY.... Since filing a lawsuit against IBM, SCO has made public statements and accusations about IBM's Unix license and about Linux in an apparent attempt to create fear uncertainty and doubt among IBM's customers and the open source community. IBM's Unix license is irrevocable, perpetual and fully paid up. It cannot be terminated. This matter will eventually be resolved in the normal legal process. IBM will continue to ship, support and develop AIX which represents years of IBM innovation, hundreds of millions of dollars of investment and many patents. As always, IBM will stand behind our products and our customers. Trink Guarino Director, IBM Media Relations (taken from: http://linuxtoday.com/news/2003061602226OSBZLL) -- Michael James michael.james@csiro.au System Administrator voice: 02 6246 5040 CSIRO Bioinformatics Facility fax: 02 6246 5166
On Mon, 2003-06-16 at 19:51, Michael.James@csiro.au wrote:
IBM Comment on SCO Press Release
June 16, 2003, Armonk, NY.... Since filing a lawsuit against IBM, SCO has made public statements and accusations about IBM's Unix license and about Linux in an apparent attempt to create fear uncertainty and doubt among IBM's customers and the open source community.
IBM's Unix license is irrevocable, perpetual and fully paid up. It cannot be terminated. This matter will eventually be resolved in the normal legal process.
IBM will continue to ship, support and develop AIX which represents years of IBM innovation, hundreds of millions of dollars of investment and many
you can tell when someone is right. simple , concise and clear..... good statement
On Mon, Jun 16, 2003 at 08:33:44PM -0400, landy@despiertapr.com wrote:
On Mon, 2003-06-16 at 19:51, Michael.James@csiro.au wrote:
IBM Comment on SCO Press Release [snip] you can tell when someone is right. simple , concise and clear.....
Just because they are simple, concise and clear doesn't mean they're right... "I did not have sexual relations with that woman"... <g> -- David Smith Work Email: Dave.Smith@st.com STMicroelectronics Home Email: David.Smith@ds-electronics.co.uk Bristol, England GPG Key: 0xF13192F2
In a previous message, Dave Smith wrote:
On Mon, Jun 16, 2003 at 08:33:44PM -0400, landy@despiertapr.com wrote:
On Mon, 2003-06-16 at 19:51, Michael.James@csiro.au wrote:
IBM Comment on SCO Press Release [snip] you can tell when someone is right. simple , concise and clear.....
Just because they are simple, concise and clear doesn't mean they're right...
"I did not have sexual relations with that woman"...
Indeed. I suspect that, if SCO are right, they would be within their rights to terminate IBM's contract. However, until they've proved that, they are quite possibly not within their rights - you can't generally terminate a contract simply based on an unproved accusation, which is all SCO has ATM. So, I'd be surprised if SCO's action against IBM in removing their right to distribute AIX was legally justified, hence IBM's response. However, if SCO's case is proved (once they finally reveal what it actually is) they could of course be quite justified in penalising IBM in this way. John -- John Pettigrew Headstrong Games john@headstrong-games.co.uk Fun : Strategy : Price http://www.headstrong-games.co.uk/ Board games that won't break the bank Fields of Valour: 2 Norse clans battle on one of 3 different boards
On Tue, 17 Jun 2003 10:25:19 +0100
John Pettigrew
So, I'd be surprised if SCO's action against IBM in removing their right to distribute AIX was legally justified, hence IBM's response. However, if SCO's case is proved (once they finally reveal what it actually is) they could of course be quite justified in penalising IBM in this way. Essentially, SCO goes to a judge to get an injunction. IBM likewise goes to a judge to block and injunction. Just more information for the press. The contract will not be legally terminated untill the issue is fully resolved in the courts.
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On 17 Jun 2003 at 8:04, Jerry Feldman wrote:
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From: Jerry Feldman
On Tue, 17 Jun 2003 10:25:19 +0100 John Pettigrew
wrote: So, I'd be surprised if SCO's action against IBM in removing their right to distribute AIX was legally justified, hence IBM's response. However, if SCO's case is proved (once they finally reveal what it actually is) they could of course be quite justified in penalising IBM in this way. Essentially, SCO goes to a judge to get an injunction. IBM likewise goes to a judge to block and injunction. Just more information for the press. The contract will not be legally terminated untill the issue is fully resolved in the courts.
-- Jerry Feldman
No. It's more conplex than that. As I understand it SCO are asking for a permanent injunction, not a temporary one. This means that it's part of the main case and if they win that part of what they want is the permanent injunction. I'm not a lawyer, but the fact that they didn't go for a temporary injunction sounds significant to me. A temporary injunction would be heard relatively rapidly and would, if successful, stop IBM distributing AIX immediately. But to get a temporary injunction they would have to prove they have at least a reasonable case by producing the evidence. As it is they have effectively done nothing to stop IBM distributing AIX in spite of their threats. Bottom line - why are they avoiding taking any steps that require them to make public their 'evidence'? alan -- http://www.ibgames.net/alan Registered Linux user #6822 http://counter.li.org Winding Down - Weekly Tech Newsletter - subscribe at http://www.ibgames.net/alan/winding/mailing.html
On Tue, 17 Jun 2003 16:07:32 +0100 alan@ibgames.com wrote:
No. It's more conplex than that. As I understand it SCO are asking for a permanent injunction, not a temporary one. This means that it's part of the main case and if they win that part of what they want is the permanent injunction.
I'm not a lawyer, but the fact that they didn't go for a temporary injunction sounds significant to me. A temporary injunction would be heard relatively rapidly and would, if successful, stop IBM distributing AIX immediately.
But to get a temporary injunction they would have to prove they have at least a reasonable case by producing the evidence. As it is they have effectively done nothing to stop IBM distributing AIX in spite of their threats.
Bottom line - why are they avoiding taking any steps that require them to make public their 'evidence'? It does not change what I originally said. IBM will take the necessary steps to block it. The end result, the courts will rule on the merits. I doubt the courts will move to block IBM from selling AIX. IBM's statement on their web site says it very clearly and concisely. http://www-916.ibm.com/press/prnews.nsf/jan/55A7C7C594DDED6785256D480048D624
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