[opensuse] Hardware compatibility with HP Proliant BL460c G1 and OpenSuSE

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claudioml＠mediaservice.net

14 Jun 2012 14 Jun '12

14:52

Hi to all, Someone have any experience with OpenSuSE 12.1 and HP Proliant BL460c G1 Installation? Here is the hardware specs: Processor family Intel® Xeon® 5400 series Intel® Xeon® 5200 series Number of processors 2 Processor core available 4 or 2 Memory Maximum memory 64 GB Memory slots 8 DIMM slots Memory type PC2-5300 DDR2 FB DIMMs I/O Expansion slots Up to 2 Network Controller (2) 1GbE NC373i Multifunction 2 Ports Storage Maximum drive bays Up to 2 SFF SAS/SATA Supported drives Hot plug SFF SAS Hot plug SFF SATA Storage Controller (1) Smart Array E200i/64MB BBWC Can be some hardware issues with OpenSuSE 12.1 or all the harware is compatible? HP web site claims the compatibility with SuSE Enterprise, but i need to know if OpenSuSE 12.1 works correctly with that hardware.. Thanks in advance for all the reply. Claudio Prono. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

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Dave Howorth

14 Jun 14 Jun

15:07

claudioml@mediaservice.net wrote:

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Can be some hardware issues with OpenSuSE 12.1 or all the harware is compatible? HP web site claims the compatibility with SuSE Enterprise, but i need to know if OpenSuSE 12.1 works correctly with that hardware..

Probably not an easy question to answer. Since HP say SLES works with it and opensuse uses a newer kernel etc, then if it doesn't work it must be a regression bug. So you'd need to check the kernel bugzilla, or just google. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Per Jessen

15:22

claudioml@mediaservice.net wrote:

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Hi to all,

Someone have any experience with OpenSuSE 12.1 and HP Proliant BL460c G1 Installation?

Here is the hardware specs:

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Can be some hardware issues with OpenSuSE 12.1 or all the harware is compatible?

Maybe and maybe. :-)

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HP web site claims the compatibility with SuSE Enterprise, but i need to know if OpenSuSE 12.1 works correctly with that hardware..

Just go ahead and try it - don't you have a spare blade? I'm running openSUSE on our IBM Blade box, works just fine. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (21.9°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Cristian Rodríguez

15 Jun 15 Jun

01:09

El 14/06/12 10:52, claudioml@mediaservice.net escribió:

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Hi to all,

Someone have any experience with OpenSuSE 12.1 and HP Proliant BL460c G1 Installation?

If it works in SLE, it should work in openSUSE 12.1. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

claudioml＠mediaservice.net

11:13

Il 15/06/2012 03:09, Cristian Rodríguez ha scritto:

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El 14/06/12 10:52, claudioml@mediaservice.net escribió:

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Hi to all,

Someone have any experience with OpenSuSE 12.1 and HP Proliant BL460c G1 Installation?

If it works in SLE, it should work in openSUSE 12.1. Not so sure about this, because the kernel of the openSUSE 12.1 is 3.1....... SLE uses 2.x kernel..... that is the big difference, or i am wrong?

Cla. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Per Jessen

11:43

claudioml@mediaservice.net wrote:

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Il 15/06/2012 03:09, Cristian Rodríguez ha scritto:

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El 14/06/12 10:52, claudioml@mediaservice.net escribió:

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Hi to all,

Someone have any experience with OpenSuSE 12.1 and HP Proliant BL460c G1 Installation?

If it works in SLE, it should work in openSUSE 12.1. Not so sure about this, because the kernel of the openSUSE 12.1 is 3.1....... SLE uses 2.x kernel..... that is the big difference, or i am wrong?

I don't think there's a big difference. Linus just decided to start a new numbering at 3.0. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (23.1°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Anton Aylward

11:52

Per Jessen said the following on 06/15/2012 07:43 AM:

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claudioml@mediaservice.net wrote:

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Il 15/06/2012 03:09, Cristian Rodríguez ha scritto:

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El 14/06/12 10:52, claudioml@mediaservice.net escribió:

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Hi to all,

Someone have any experience with OpenSuSE 12.1 and HP Proliant BL460c G1 Installation?

If it works in SLE, it should work in openSUSE 12.1. Not so sure about this, because the kernel of the openSUSE 12.1 is 3.1....... SLE uses 2.x kernel..... that is the big difference, or i am wrong?

I don't think there's a big difference. Linus just decided to start a new numbering at 3.0.

In addition, many Linux distributions decided not to use 3.x and its the same kernel but called something like 2.6.49.x, I recall reading. Is openSuse one of those? I don't now what 'markers' to look for. -- The real distinction is between those who adapt their purposes to reality and those who seek to mould reality in the light of their purposes. -- Henry Kissinger -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Per Jessen

14:00

Anton Aylward wrote:

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Per Jessen said the following on 06/15/2012 07:43 AM:

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claudioml@mediaservice.net wrote:

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Il 15/06/2012 03:09, Cristian Rodríguez ha scritto:

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El 14/06/12 10:52, claudioml@mediaservice.net escribió:

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Hi to all,

Someone have any experience with OpenSuSE 12.1 and HP Proliant BL460c G1 Installation?

If it works in SLE, it should work in openSUSE 12.1. Not so sure about this, because the kernel of the openSUSE 12.1 is 3.1....... SLE uses 2.x kernel..... that is the big difference, or i am wrong?

I don't think there's a big difference. Linus just decided to start a new numbering at 3.0.

In addition, many Linux distributions decided not to use 3.x and its the same kernel but called something like 2.6.49.x, I recall reading.

Is openSuse one of those? I don't now what 'markers' to look for.

"uname -a" will tell you. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (25.6°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Anton Aylward

14:18

Per Jessen said the following on 06/15/2012 10:00 AM:

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Anton Aylward wrote:

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Per Jessen said the following on 06/15/2012 07:43 AM:

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claudioml@mediaservice.net wrote:

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Il 15/06/2012 03:09, Cristian Rodríguez ha scritto:

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El 14/06/12 10:52, claudioml@mediaservice.net escribió:

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Hi to all,

Someone have any experience with OpenSuSE 12.1 and HP Proliant BL460c G1 Installation?

If it works in SLE, it should work in openSUSE 12.1. Not so sure about this, because the kernel of the openSUSE 12.1 is 3.1....... SLE uses 2.x kernel..... that is the big difference, or i am wrong?

I don't think there's a big difference. Linus just decided to start a new numbering at 3.0.

In addition, many Linux distributions decided not to use 3.x and its the same kernel but called something like 2.6.49.x, I recall reading.

Is openSuse one of those? I don't now what 'markers' to look for.

"uname -a" will tell you.

That's not what I meant. UNAME will tell me that the string embedded in the kernel is. That may say "2.6.39.x" and I may know that the ".39" means its really a 3.x, but I don't know if that means 3.0, 3.1, 3.2, 3.3 or what. If I go to kernel.org I can see release notes that tell me what has been changed in the 3.x series but so long as the kernel says "2.6.39." I've got to look for what? Some revision in the modules or a driver? That's what I meant by "marker". So when we get to "2.6.39.99999999999" does that mean its actually really 4.5 code? -- The same applies for other kinds of long-lasting low-level pain. [...] The body's response to being jabbed, pierced, and cut is to produce endorphins. [...] So here's my programme for breaking that cycle of dependency on Windows: get left arm tattooed with dragon motif, buy a crate of Jamaican Hot! Pepper Sauce, get nipples pierced. With any luck that will produce enough endorphins to make Windows completely redundant, and I can then upgrade to Linux and get on with things. -- Pieter Hintjens -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Per Jessen

19:44

Anton Aylward wrote:

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Per Jessen said the following on 06/15/2012 10:00 AM:

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Is openSuse one of those? I don't now what 'markers' to look for.

"uname -a" will tell you.

That's not what I meant. UNAME will tell me that the string embedded in the kernel is. That may say "2.6.39.x" and I may know that the ".39" means its really a 3.x, but I don't know if that means 3.0, 3.1, 3.2, 3.3 or what.

Anton, uh, afaik, uname will tell you which kernel version you're running, period. If uname says "2.6.39.x", that's what you're running, if it says "3.1.9-1.4-default", then that is what you're running. No interpretation required.

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If I go to kernel.org I can see release notes that tell me what has been changed in the 3.x series but so long as the kernel says "2.6.39." I've got to look for what?

For whatever happened in 2.6.39? 2.6.39 is the last kernel before 3.0. https://lkml.org/lkml/2011/7/21/455

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Some revision in the modules or a driver? That's what I meant by "marker".

So when we get to "2.6.39.99999999999" does that mean its actually really 4.5 code?

You've lost me - if you're running kernel version 2.6.39, that is what uname will show you. If you're something else, uname will show you that. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (20.7°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Philipp Thomas

16 Jun 16 Jun

11:11

On Fri, 15 Jun 2012 21:44:31 +0200, Per Jessen wrote:

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You've lost me - if you're running kernel version 2.6.39, that is what uname will show you. If you're something else, uname will show you that.

I guess what he meant were Fedoras renamed kernels. Philipp -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Anton Aylward

12:28

Philipp Thomas said the following on 06/16/2012 07:11 AM:

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On Fri, 15 Jun 2012 21:44:31 +0200, Per Jessen wrote:

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You've lost me - if you're running kernel version 2.6.39, that is what uname will show you. If you're something else, uname will show you that.

I guess what he meant were Fedoras renamed kernels.

Yes, but I think it was more than just Fedora were renamed: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=OTUwMg I *am* running Fedora on another machine, but I do recall hearing that some distributions stuck with the 2.6 sequence even though it was the "new" renamed code base. 2.6.4x or something. Somewhere here I have a server running Mandriva that says 2.6.39.4-5.1-generic #1 SMP Wed Jan 4 13:50:55 UTC 2012 i686 Note the date: Long past the spring 2011 'renaming'. It runs systemd - oh and a stable systemd, none of the problems I saw reported for openSuse 12.1 - and when I poke around at the innards of the drivers I'm really suspicious that this has some of the stuff I see when I look though the release notes for 3.0.0 and 3.1. But I'm not sure I could prove it in court; someone would have to pour over the source listings side by side.... But lets not forget that the strings returned by 'uname' can be whatever you want. When you rebuild the kernel and determine what goes in there you can set those strings to whatever your sweet heart desires; there's no magic that automatically updates it in sequence - that why other distributions can modify it with their own tags. No, what I'm asking is this. Forget what uname says. If I don't have source how can I find out if the kernel I'm running on a particular machine, the drivers, schedulers memory allocators etc are from what real level of revision? With some degree of granularity. There's a lot out there that implies the move to the 3.x series had to do with marketing. Maybe so or not. But I'm suspicious that once marketing gets involved a degree of truthfulness becomes fuzzy. For example, I've held off upgrading my various Suse machines from 11.4 to 12.1 because of the problems reported with systemd, but the other machines here running systemd under fedora and mandriva don't have any of the problems that were reported with the opensuse 12.1 implementation. That bothers me; what code was really being run? Was it something trivial like how openSuse uses /etc/sysconfig parameters - which I've always considered superior to the other distributions? Or what? -- "Security is a chain within the infrastructure and is as secure as its weakest link. It is not a product nor a series of technologies but a process of solutions measured against the business needs of the organization." -- Walter S. Kobus, Jr., CISM CISSP IAM -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Per Jessen

13:28

Anton Aylward wrote:

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Somewhere here I have a server running Mandriva that says

2.6.39.4-5.1-generic #1 SMP Wed Jan 4 13:50:55 UTC 2012 i686

Note the date: Long past the spring 2011 'renaming'.

That date is the build date.

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But lets not forget that the strings returned by 'uname' can be whatever you want. When you rebuild the kernel and determine what goes in there you can set those strings to whatever your sweet heart desires; there's no magic that automatically updates it in sequence - that why other distributions can modify it with their own tags.

The regular tools (e.g. menuconfig) will let you modify the "5.1-generic" string (with CONFIG_LOCALVERSION), but not the kernel version.

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No, what I'm asking is this. Forget what uname says. If I don't have source how can I find out if the kernel I'm running on a particular machine, the drivers, schedulers memory allocators etc are from what real level of revision? With some degree of granularity.

What's wrong with uname? If you want to look at modules, "modinfo <module>" will tell you the most pertinent stuff.

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For example, I've held off upgrading my various Suse machines from 11.4 to 12.1 because of the problems reported with systemd, but the other machines here running systemd under fedora and mandriva don't have any of the problems that were reported with the opensuse 12.1 implementation. That bothers me; what code was really being run?

I think it's not really _systemd_ itself, but rather our integration of it that's been causing problems for us. BTW, 12.1 works very well with sysvinit, and 12.1+updates is pretty good with systemd too. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (27.1°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Dave Howorth

15 Jun 15 Jun

12:36

claudioml@mediaservice.net wrote:

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Il 15/06/2012 03:09, Cristian Rodríguez ha scritto:

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El 14/06/12 10:52, claudioml@mediaservice.net escribió:

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Someone have any experience with OpenSuSE 12.1 and HP Proliant BL460c G1 Installation?

If it works in SLE, it should work in openSUSE 12.1. Not so sure about this, because the kernel of the openSUSE 12.1 is 3.1....... SLE uses 2.x kernel..... that is the big difference, or i am wrong?

The point is that 3.1 > 2.x. So if it used to work in 2.x and now it doesn't work in 3.1, IT IS A BUG! A regression bug. And regression bugs get fixed. As Per said, try it! JFDI. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Malcolm

13:01

New subject: [opensuse] Re: Hardware compatibility with HP Proliant BL460c G1 and OpenSuSE

On Fri, 15 Jun 2012 13:13:20 +0200 "claudioml@mediaservice.net" wrote:

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Il 15/06/2012 03:09, Cristian Rodríguez ha scritto:

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El 14/06/12 10:52, claudioml@mediaservice.net escribió:

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Hi to all,

Someone have any experience with OpenSuSE 12.1 and HP Proliant BL460c G1 Installation?

If it works in SLE, it should work in openSUSE 12.1. Not so sure about this, because the kernel of the openSUSE 12.1 is 3.1....... SLE uses 2.x kernel..... that is the big difference, or i am wrong?

Cla.

Hi SLE 11 SP2 uses the 3.0 kernel... -- Cheers Malcolm °¿° (Linux Counter #276890) SUSE Linux Enterprise Desktop 11 (x86_64) Kernel 3.0.31-0.9-default up 2 days 9:09, 2 users, load average: 0.24, 0.16, 0.15 CPU Intel i5 CPU M520@2.40GHz | Intel Arrandale GPU -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Cristian Rodríguez

13:43

El 15/06/12 07:13, claudioml@mediaservice.net escribió:

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If it works in SLE, it should work in openSUSE 12.1. Not so sure about this, because the kernel of the openSUSE 12.1 is 3.1....... SLE uses 2.x kernel..... that is the big difference, or i am wrong?

No, the mayor release number was incremented, that's all. it means nothing technically. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

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