On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 1:04 PM, Basil Chupin <blchupin@iinet.net.au> wrote:

I tried to install the 32-bit version of FF 5 using the 1-click installation given here

http://software.opensuse.org/search?q=Firefox&baseproject=openSUSE%3AFactory...

and it failed.

I then tried the rpm way of installing - and this failed because of some dependency problem :-( .

"Great way of getting things done", I thought. Then went and downloaded the tar.bz2 file from Mozilla and installed FF 5 manually.

Sorry for not closing this thread to 'SOLVED'. I installed it successfully with adding *both* the mozilla and mozilla:/beta repositories. http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-gnome/2011-06/msg00094.html Best regards, -- Andi Sugandi. Bandung, Indonesia. openSUSE-id Team, openSUSE Community Member. http://en.opensuse.org/User:Andisugandi -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On 24/06/11 17:22, Thomas Taylor wrote:

On Fri, 24 Jun 2011 16:04:33 +1000 Basil Chupin<blchupin@iinet.net.au> wrote:

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On 24/06/11 12:52, upscope wrote:

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On Monday, June 20, 2011 03:41:05 AM Andi Sugandi wrote:

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Hi List mates,

The repo is: $ zypper lr -d | grep mozilla:beta 9 | mozilla:beta| mozilla:beta | Yes | Yes|98| rpm-md | http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/mozilla:/beta/openSUSE_11.4

and, this is when I try to install it: # zypper install MozillaFirefox-4.99-7.1.x86_64 Loading repository data... Reading installed packages... Resolving package dependencies...

Problem: nothing provides mozilla-nss>= 3.12.10 needed by MozillaFirefox-4.99-7.1.x86_64 Solution 1: do not install MozillaFirefox-4.99-7.1.x86_64 Solution 2: break MozillaFirefox by ignoring some of its dependencies Try here: http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/mozilla/openSUSE_11.4/x86_64/

it has mozilla-nss 3.12.10 I tried to install the 32-bit version of FF 5 using the 1-click installation given here

http://software.opensuse.org/search?q=Firefox&baseproject=openSUSE%3AFactory...

and it failed.

I then tried the rpm way of installing - and this failed because of some dependency problem :-( .

"Great way of getting things done", I thought. Then went and downloaded the tar.bz2 file from Mozilla and installed FF 5 manually.

BC

Hi Basil; You somewhat confuse the issue by mixing 64 and 32 bit versions together. Also, be aware that beta and factory repos contain programs that are likely to contain errors and missing dependencies. If/when that occurs, file a bug report about it and the situation will likely be remedied with a few days.

Tom

I am not sure that I am mixing 64 and 32 bit versions together. Nor do I**think that *I* need to make any bug report about anything. This is the suse help mail list. Someone posted his/her experience about trying to install Firefox 5 which failed. Nobody asked that person to submit a bug report about his problem. I simply responded to this general statement in this general mail list about my own experience with FF 5. It seems that what you are suggesting is that whenever someone has a bit of trouble with anything to do with openSUSE then the immediate thing to do is for a person to submit a bug report. A simple question or discussion about an apparent problem is not good enough anymore. And to make even worse, a while back I asked a question in this list about something to do with KDE only to be "told off" by (?)Will Stephenson that my question should have been asked in opensuse-kde list and not in opensuse mail list. So what the heck is opensuse all about then? We have opensuse-kde, opensuse-gnome, opensuse-factory, opensuse-kernel, et al. Does one now have to go thru a personal agony of deciding in which list to ask a general question about something or else end up getting a kick up the backside for asking it in the wrong list? There is a difference between bureaucracy and out-of-control bureaucracy. BC -- The Annual General Meeting of Psychics has been cancelled due to unforseen circumstances. The Organising Committee -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On 25/06/11 21:58, Wolfgang Rosenauer wrote:

Hi,

Am 25.06.2011 13:16, schrieb Basil Chupin:

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I tried to install the 32-bit version of FF 5 using the 1-click installation given here

http://software.opensuse.org/search?q=Firefox&baseproject=openSUSE%3AFactory...

and it failed.

I then tried the rpm way of installing - and this failed because of some dependency problem :-( .

"Great way of getting things done", I thought. Then went and downloaded the tar.bz2 file from Mozilla and installed FF 5 manually.

Hi Basil; You somewhat confuse the issue by mixing 64 and 32 bit versions together. Also, be aware that beta and factory repos contain programs that are likely to contain errors and missing dependencies. If/when that occurs, file a bug report about it and the situation will likely be remedied with a few days. Nor do I**think that *I* need to make any bug report about anything. You don't have to. But above you have complained about something which "failed" and something which "failed because of some dependency problem". So if you think it should be fixed you probably should open a bugreport. If you don't care, you don't need to bother but then I'm wondering why your mail reads like you are complaining about something.

I hadn't complained about anything. All I did was to comment about what I experienced. Is this now forbidden to be done in this mail list, or any other list dealing with openSUSE, without it being considered to be a "complaint" and an attack on the distro?!

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Someone posted his/her experience about trying to install Firefox 5 which failed. I guess my answer to Andi was fast enough and correct.

Forgive me, Wolgang, but what answer to Andi, which was fast enough, are you talking about? I have not seen such an answer. Was it a private message to him which did not make it to this mail list? I can't see it in the archives for this mail list. Perhaps I am not looking in the right place (more than likely, of course)?

So I could ask why you answered with something completely different? Did you want to have an answer to your issue?

For chrissake, I was only making a comment about what I experienced! I wasn't complaining. I solved the problem I was faced with. I simply stated how I solved the problem I was confronted with.

It's pretty easy: mozilla:Factory is absolutely not meant to provide backports. The packages there are meant for inclusion into Factory. For backports there is mozilla for stable versions and mozilla:beta for beta versions (and mozilla:legacy for old unmaintained versions). Also without posting any error message it's not possible to do anything beyond that. So Basil, please, if you want to have something fixed, please provide proper information. It's fine if you do that on this list.

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Nobody asked that person to submit a bug report about his problem. Because there is no bug and he got his answer within 30 minutes.

Wolfgang

Jeeeesus, how many more people don't make comments about anything in any of these opensuse mail list when they come across such confrontational comments? :-( Have we now reached the situation where saying, "BOO!" is regarded as a some sort of a personal attack on whoever thinks they may have a "guilty conscience"? Come on. Let's just take a deep breath, relax, look at the seagulls flying over the beach as you lie on the sand in the warm sun looking up at the blue sky...... BC -- The Annual General Meeting of Psychics has been cancelled due to unforseen circumstances. The Organising Committee -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Am Samstag, 25. Juni 2011, 21:49:14 schrieb Wolfgang Rosenauer:

Am 25.06.2011 17:02, schrieb Basil Chupin:

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For chrissake, I was only making a comment about what I experienced!

I wasn't complaining.

I solved the problem I was faced with.

I simply stated how I solved the problem I was confronted with.

I'm sure I can find a lot of mails in that style sent by you and somehow I always have the feeling you want to criticize something. If not, excuse me but I think it's how your mails are understood often enough also by other people.

Don't worry, you are not alone with that perception. And he is not alone either – sadly. It's just an attitude some people get used to which results in them not noticing anymore what undertone their comments have. And they get defensive about it quite quickly as you noticed as well – simply because they are not aware of their writing style and hence feel misunderstood and offended as soon as pointed at it. You cannot change it, so ignoring it is best – people tell me – I try to, but I fail too often. :( Sven -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Sat, 25 Jun 2011 21:16:38 +1000 Basil Chupin <blchupin@iinet.net.au> wrote:

On 24/06/11 17:22, Thomas Taylor wrote:

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On Fri, 24 Jun 2011 16:04:33 +1000 Basil Chupin<blchupin@iinet.net.au> wrote:

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On 24/06/11 12:52, upscope wrote:

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On Monday, June 20, 2011 03:41:05 AM Andi Sugandi wrote:

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Hi List mates,

The repo is: $ zypper lr -d | grep mozilla:beta 9 | mozilla:beta| mozilla:beta | Yes | Yes|98| rpm-md | http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/mozilla:/beta/openSUSE_11.4

and, this is when I try to install it: # zypper install MozillaFirefox-4.99-7.1.x86_64 Loading repository data... Reading installed packages... Resolving package dependencies...

Problem: nothing provides mozilla-nss>= 3.12.10 needed by MozillaFirefox-4.99-7.1.x86_64 Solution 1: do not install MozillaFirefox-4.99-7.1.x86_64 Solution 2: break MozillaFirefox by ignoring some of its dependencies Try here: http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/mozilla/openSUSE_11.4/x86_64/

it has mozilla-nss 3.12.10 I tried to install the 32-bit version of FF 5 using the 1-click installation given here

http://software.opensuse.org/search?q=Firefox&baseproject=openSUSE%3AFactory...

and it failed.

I then tried the rpm way of installing - and this failed because of some dependency problem :-( .

"Great way of getting things done", I thought. Then went and downloaded the tar.bz2 file from Mozilla and installed FF 5 manually.

BC

Hi Basil; You somewhat confuse the issue by mixing 64 and 32 bit versions together. Also, be aware that beta and factory repos contain programs that are likely to contain errors and missing dependencies. If/when that occurs, file a bug report about it and the situation will likely be remedied with a few days.

Tom

I am not sure that I am mixing 64 and 32 bit versions together.

Nor do I**think that *I* need to make any bug report about anything.

This is the suse help mail list.

Someone posted his/her experience about trying to install Firefox 5 which failed.

Nobody asked that person to submit a bug report about his problem.

I simply responded to this general statement in this general mail list about my own experience with FF 5.

It seems that what you are suggesting is that whenever someone has a bit of trouble with anything to do with openSUSE then the immediate thing to do is for a person to submit a bug report.

A simple question or discussion about an apparent problem is not good enough anymore.

And to make even worse, a while back I asked a question in this list about something to do with KDE only to be "told off" by (?)Will Stephenson that my question should have been asked in opensuse-kde list and not in opensuse mail list.

So what the heck is opensuse all about then?

We have opensuse-kde, opensuse-gnome, opensuse-factory, opensuse-kernel, et al.

Does one now have to go thru a personal agony of deciding in which list to ask a general question about something or else end up getting a kick up the backside for asking it in the wrong list?

There is a difference between bureaucracy and out-of-control bureaucracy.

BC

Sorry that you seem to have taken my comments as a personal insult, it was not meant that way. I only meant that when a problem is encountered when installing a milestone release, one remedy is to file a bug report so the developers, who don't always frequent this list, can be made aware of the problem and provide a fix. In the case of a dependency not being met, it may take a few days for that information to get from this list to the developer responsible for it whereas a bug report reaches him/her more promptly (so they tell us). Tom -- Tom Taylor - retired penguin openSuSE 11.3 x86_64 openSUSE 11.4 x86_64 openSUSE 12.1 KDE 4.4.4, FF 3.6.8 KDE 4.6.00, FF 4.0 KDE 4.6.1, FF 4.0.1 claws-mail 3.7.9 registered linux user 263467 linxt-At-comcast-DoT-net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org