I have a question concerning the 32-bit version of Suse 10 vs the 64-bit version. I just purchased a new PC with an AMD Sempron 64-bit cpu. It has a cd-rom, but no dvd drive. I also purchased the retail version of Suse 10 and noticed the 64-bit version is included, but only on the dvd. I'm wondering if it would be worth the money to buy a dvd drive in order to install the 64 bit version? Would the performance increase be that noticable? I also understand that the 64-bit version does not include everything the 32-bit version contains, based on a recent eWeek article. The eWeek article stated, and I quote... "Although the 64-bit version of Suse 10 lacks some of the software packages that are available for the x86, such as those for User Mode Linux, Suse Linux delivers the best AMD64 experience of any OS we've tested so far". (Way to go Suse! They received the eWeek Labs Analyst's Choice!) So what is best, purchase the dvd and install the 64-bit but not have access to the entire suite of Suse packages, or save the money, and stick with the 32-bit version, and have acces to everything on the v10 release. A note, I do not have a need for cutting edge speed. I am upgrading from a Suse 8.1 AMD K6 300mhz system. I'm already in heaven with the 32-bit version on this AMD Sempron. Comments, opinions, suggestion??? Matt
On Thu, Nov 03, 2005 at 07:05:37AM -0800, Matt Stamm wrote:
So what is best, purchase the dvd and install the 64-bit but not have access to the entire suite of Suse packages, or save the money, and stick with the 32-bit version, and have acces to everything on the v10 release.
AIUI... 64-bit support gives you the ability to run processes which take large amounts of memory (probably >4 GB, but I'm not sure where the exact limit is), and also makes processing a bit faster on applications which need to do lots of manipulation on numbers >64 bits. However, the side-effects are that all the 64-bit processes (even the smaller ones) actually require more memory to run. IMHO, unless you need the specific benefits provided by 64-bit, you're better off running 32-bit.
A note, I do not have a need for cutting edge speed. [snip] I'm already in heaven with the 32-bit version on this AMD Sempron.
Comments, opinions, suggestion???
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On Thursday 03 November 2005 10:05 am, Matt Stamm wrote:
o what is best, purchase the dvd and install the 64-bit but not have access to the entire suite of Suse packages, or save the money, and stick with the 32-bit version, and have acces to everything on the v10 release.
A note, I do not have a need for cutting edge speed. I am upgrading from a Suse 8.1 AMD K6 300mhz system. I'm already in heaven with the 32-bit version on this AMD Sempron.
Comments, opinions, suggestion??? I bought a DVD drive with -r and -rw capability for $54US. At the same time I signed up for a credit card that comes with a $50.00 rebate. The DVD drive works flawlessly. It is TSSTcorpCD/DVDW TS-H552U. -- Jerry Feldman <gaf@blu.org> Boston Linux and Unix user group http://www.blu.org PGP key id:C5061EA9 PGP Key fingerprint:053C 73EC 3AC1 5C44 3E14 9245 FB00 3ED5 C506 1EA9
On 03/11/05, Jerry Feldman <gaf@blu.org> wrote:
I bought a DVD drive with -r and -rw capability for $54US. At the same time I signed up for a credit card that comes with a $50.00 rebate. The DVD
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On Thu, 2005-11-03 at 11:18 -0400, Jerry Feldman wrote:
On Thursday 03 November 2005 10:05 am, Matt Stamm wrote:
o what is best, purchase the dvd and install the 64-bit but not have access to the entire suite of Suse packages, or save the money, and stick with the 32-bit version, and have acces to everything on the v10 release.
A note, I do not have a need for cutting edge speed. I am upgrading from a Suse 8.1 AMD K6 300mhz system. I'm already in heaven with the 32-bit version on this AMD Sempron.
Comments, opinions, suggestion??? I bought a DVD drive with -r and -rw capability for $54US. At the same time I signed up for a credit card that comes with a $50.00 rebate. The DVD drive works flawlessly. It is TSSTcorpCD/DVDW TS-H552U.
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The difference from 64bit and 32bit are in case you want use all the new features of New AMD Architecture like 64bit ALU, 64 FPU, could have more than 4Gbyte of Ram (in the 64bit world you can use and address 8Gbyte of physical Ram). In my opinion the 32 bit version is more suitable for Home / Desktop / Workstation / SOHO use. The 64bit version IS ONLY FOR Server use (like DataCenter, Simulation, and other strange use), if you use linux for "normal" operation like Apache, PHP, MySql, play a video with Mplayer, play a game like Doom3 with Linux Patch, and so on, use the 32bit (NO optimization with the 64 bit version, or in some case is very poor). I use the both version and the load/execution time is very similar. Bye, Davide L. Matt Stamm wrote:
I have a question concerning the 32-bit version of Suse 10 vs the 64-bit version. I just purchased a new PC with an AMD Sempron 64-bit cpu. It has a cd-rom, but no dvd drive. I also purchased the retail version of Suse 10 and noticed the 64-bit version is included, but only on the dvd. I'm wondering if it would be worth the money to buy a dvd drive in order to install the 64 bit version? Would the performance increase be that noticable? I also understand that the 64-bit version does not include everything the 32-bit version contains, based on a recent eWeek article.
The eWeek article stated, and I quote...
"Although the 64-bit version of Suse 10 lacks some of the software packages that are available for the x86, such as those for User Mode Linux, Suse Linux delivers the best AMD64 experience of any OS we've tested so far".
(Way to go Suse! They received the eWeek Labs Analyst's Choice!)
So what is best, purchase the dvd and install the 64-bit but not have access to the entire suite of Suse packages, or save the money, and stick with the 32-bit version, and have acces to everything on the v10 release.
A note, I do not have a need for cutting edge speed. I am upgrading from a Suse 8.1 AMD K6 300mhz system. I'm already in heaven with the 32-bit version on this AMD Sempron.
Comments, opinions, suggestion???
Matt
On Thursday 03 November 2005 12:30 pm, Davide Listello wrote:
The difference from 64bit and 32bit are in case you want use all the new features of New AMD Architecture like 64bit ALU, 64 FPU, could have more than 4Gbyte of Ram (in the 64bit world you can use and address 8Gbyte of physical Ram). In my opinion the 32 bit version is more suitable for Home / Desktop / Workstation / SOHO use. The 64bit version IS ONLY FOR Server use (like DataCenter, Simulation, and other strange use), if you use linux for "normal" operation like Apache, PHP, MySql, play a video with Mplayer, play a game like Doom3 with Linux Patch, and so on, use the 32bit (NO optimization with the 64 bit version, or in some case is very poor). I use the both version and the load/execution time is very similar. I very much disagree with you in your statement "The 64bit version IS ONLY FOR Server". While most desktop users will not benefit directly from 64-bits, remember that when using the 64-bit OS, you have a linear memory model where if you run a 32-bit OS, you have the x86 32-bit segmented architecture. But, I do agree that the average desktop user is not going to benefit from 64-bits in the near future. But, I think you may see some games and other highly graphic programs start to be built to take advantage of the 64-bit architecture.
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Matt Stamm wrote:
I have a question concerning the 32-bit version of Suse 10 vs the 64-bit version. I just purchased a new PC with an AMD Sempron 64-bit cpu. It has a cd-rom, but no dvd drive. I also purchased the retail version of Suse 10 and noticed the 64-bit version is included, but only on the dvd. I'm wondering if it would be worth the money to buy a dvd drive in order to install the 64 bit version? Would the performance increase be that noticable? I also understand that the 64-bit version does not include everything the 32-bit version contains, based on a recent eWeek article.
Matt, To see how I did the same thing you're looking at doing (installing on a machine without a DVD drive) see the following article I wrote up on my blog: http://blog.mecworks.com/articles/2005/10/15/upgrade-to-suse-10-installing-f... Good luck! It worked for me... -- Marc Christensen http://blog.mecworks.com
On 11/3/05, Marc Christensen <marc@mecworks.com> wrote:
Matt Stamm wrote:
I have a question concerning the 32-bit version of Suse 10 vs the 64-bit version. I just purchased a new PC with an AMD Sempron 64-bit cpu. It has a cd-rom, but no dvd drive. I also purchased the retail version of Suse 10 and noticed the 64-bit version is included, but only on the dvd. I'm wondering if it would be worth the money to buy a dvd drive in order to install the 64 bit version? Would the performance increase be that noticable? I also understand that the 64-bit version does not include everything the 32-bit version contains, based on a recent eWeek article.
Matt,
To see how I did the same thing you're looking at doing (installing on a machine without a DVD drive) see the following article I wrote up on my blog:
Another important thing to consider is compatability. Say what you want, but the hardware support on this laptop with 32 bit distros is horrible. The clock runs waaay too fast and nothing seems to be able to slow it down, except those kernel settings that also turn off the on-board LAN. So, I can have network support AND a correct clock OR a fast clock and network support. OR I can run the 64 bit version and I don't have to do anything to make my hardware work correctly. O this laptop, I'll run x64 regardless of the advantages/disadvantages everyone else talks about.
Andy Choens wrote:
On 11/3/05, Marc Christensen <marc@mecworks.com> wrote:
Matt Stamm wrote:
I have a question concerning the 32-bit version of Suse 10 vs the 64-bit version. I just purchased a new PC with an AMD Sempron 64-bit cpu. It has a cd-rom, but no dvd drive. I also purchased the retail version of Suse 10 and noticed the 64-bit version is included, but only on the dvd. I'm wondering if it would be worth the money to buy a dvd drive in order to install the 64 bit version? Would the performance increase be that noticable? I also understand that the 64-bit version does not include everything the 32-bit version contains, based on a recent eWeek article. Matt,
To see how I did the same thing you're looking at doing (installing on a machine without a DVD drive) see the following article I wrote up on my blog:
Another important thing to consider is compatability. Say what you want, but the hardware support on this laptop with 32 bit distros is horrible. The clock runs waaay too fast and nothing seems to be able to slow it down, except those kernel settings that also turn off the on-board LAN. So, I can have network support AND a correct clock OR a fast clock and network support.
OR I can run the 64 bit version and I don't have to do anything to make my hardware work correctly.
O this laptop, I'll run x64 regardless of the advantages/disadvantages everyone else talks about.
I've been running 64-bit on my Acer Aspire 1501LCe (XP3000+) 9.1 -> 9.2 -> 9.3 -> 10.0. The only problem has been with the softmodem which has a proprietary 32-bit module which obviously doesn't fit with a 64-bit kernel. Other than that, it's been far snappier at stuff like building kernels than this XP3200+ box. Peripherals - webcam, Kodak DX3600 camera, USB serial, USB bluetooth, PCMCIA modem, PCMCIA network card, onboard NIC and USB attached 120GB hard drive all function without problems. Regards Sid. -- Sid Boyce ... Hamradio License G3VBV, licensed Private Pilot Retired IBM/Amdahl Mainframes and Sun/Fujitsu Servers Tech Support Specialist Microsoft Windows Free Zone - Linux used for all Computing Tasks
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