[opensuse] Adressing SUSEs weakness
WARNING: Long e-mail. I have still not seen a good explanation of how you should install SUSE 10.1 on the website. Therefore I have put this up on the wiki in plain sight: '''BEFORE YOU INSTALL READ THIS:''' The package manager in SUSE 10.1 is regrettably broken on most systems. To correct this you should do the following after you have installed SUSE: * Open Yast chose "online update configuration" , click next and wait until finished. * Press the updater icon on you taskbar/panel * If it updates, congratulations, all is well. * If it throws up an error. Close it. * Install the alternativ package manager/updater SMART. Read the how to [[SMART HowTO|here]] You probably also want to read about [[Using_10.1|Using 10.1]] and the [[Bugs:Most_Annoying_Bugs#SUSE_Linux_10.1_.28Final.29|Most Annoying Bugs]]. Do with it as you please. I think it's a start. We must admit our weaknesses before we can be truly strong. The reason for this is as follows: There were only two places on the opensuse website about how to make the package management work: Opensuse.org -> Download SUSE Linux -> Scroll abit -> Click Most annoying Bugs -> Click SUSE Linux 10.1 (Final) And even though It is the first bug to hit you after you install SUSE 10.1 It's pushed back to second place. And what does it say? ---- Fixed with first package management update (please install using YaST Online Update for instance via "kdesu yast2 online_update"): ---- It says that it's "Fixed"! You got to be kidding! Or you could go to: Opensuse.org -> Download SUSE Linux -> Scroll abit -> Click "Using 10.1" -> Read a long and not very consise article about all the strange things that aren't working in suse until you come to Work around. Where it doesn't really say what to do or how unless you clik -> SMART. Phew! Hope this stirs things up. -- Regards Kenneth Aar
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi! I completely agree with Kenneth. I just had the "pleasure" to fix my colleague's "fresh from the DVD" SuSE 10.1 install. - From my impression, SuSE 10.1 is really just broken when freshly installed, and that fact should be clearly stated on the website at a prominent place together with the fix-up procedure, just as proposed by Kenneth. When I started searching on hints on the opensuse Website, I got the impression that "everything's ok". In other words it was very hard to get hints on how to bootstrap SuSE 10.1 into a working state. I'd have appreciated his remarks very much. Don't get me wrong, I really like openSUSE and will keep on using this distribution. (I am still on 10.0 aka paradise ;-), so I was not familiar with the 10.1 problems yet...) Kenneth's statement makes 10.1 better than it was before. Regards, Tilman -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFE6ZiY9ZPu6Yae8lkRAhQGAKCOpX6D+lOM9KZfmZzQPlV7lcNH1ACcCOq5 87EFqYfHCGduexQpbximAB8= =Dbex -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
"Kenneth Aar, Grafikern.no"
WARNING: Long e-mail.
I have still not seen a good explanation of how you should install SUSE 10.1 on the website.
Therefore I have put this up on the wiki in plain sight:
'''BEFORE YOU INSTALL READ THIS:'''
The package manager in SUSE 10.1 is regrettably broken on most systems.
And should be fixed with an online update - and will be better with the next one...
To correct this you should do the following after you have installed SUSE: * Open Yast chose "online update configuration" , click next and wait until finished.
And restart until everything is installed.
* Press the updater icon on you taskbar/panel * If it updates, congratulations, all is well. * If it throws up an error. Close it. * Install the alternativ package manager/updater SMART. Read the how to [[SMART HowTO|here]] You probably also want to read about [[Using_10.1|Using 10.1]] and the [[Bugs:Most_Annoying_Bugs#SUSE_Linux_10.1_.28Final.29|Most Annoying Bugs]].
Do with it as you please. I think it's a start. We must admit our weaknesses before we can be truly strong.
The reason for this is as follows:
There were only two places on the opensuse website about how to make the package management work:
Opensuse.org -> Download SUSE Linux -> Scroll abit -> Click Most annoying Bugs -> Click SUSE Linux 10.1 (Final) And even though It is the first bug to hit you after you install SUSE 10.1 It's pushed back to second place. And what does it say?
---- Fixed with first package management update (please install using YaST Online Update for instance via "kdesu yast2 online_update"): ----
It says that it's "Fixed"! You got to be kidding!
What is still wrong for you with the current update?
Or you could go to:
Opensuse.org -> Download SUSE Linux -> Scroll abit -> Click "Using 10.1" -> Read a long and not very consise article about all the strange things that aren't working in suse until you come to Work around. Where it doesn't really say what to do or how unless you clik -> SMART.
Phew!
Hope this stirs things up.
Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, aj@suse.de, http://www.suse.de/~aj/ SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126
On Mon, Aug 21, 2006 at 01:14:46PM +0200, Kenneth Aar, Grafikern.no wrote:
WARNING: Long e-mail.
I have still not seen a good explanation of how you should install SUSE 10.1 on the website.
Therefore I have put this up on the wiki in plain sight:
'''BEFORE YOU INSTALL READ THIS:'''
The package manager in SUSE 10.1 is regrettably broken on most systems. To correct this you should do the following after you have installed SUSE: * Open Yast chose "online update configuration" , click next and wait until finished. * Press the updater icon on you taskbar/panel * If it updates, congratulations, all is well. * If it throws up an error. Close it. * Install the alternativ package manager/updater SMART. Read the how to [[SMART HowTO|here]] You probably also want to read about [[Using_10.1|Using 10.1]] and the [[Bugs:Most_Annoying_Bugs#SUSE_Linux_10.1_.28Final.29|Most Annoying Bugs]].
Do with it as you please. I think it's a start. We must admit our weaknesses before we can be truly strong.
I added some better HOWTOs and killed the SMART reference. Ciao, Marcus --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Mandag 21 august 2006 13:36 skrev Marcus Meissner:
I added some better HOWTOs and killed the SMART reference.
Where? I look here: http://en.opensuse.org/Download There's still a Smart reference and no better howto. Why does the howto refer to Zen-updater ("updater icon on you taskbar/panel")? And no reference to YOU? I was under the impression that the way to patch a fresh install was with YOU. Btw. I'm working on a script for patching the package manager. It should be a feature in the next release of konvenientSUSE - the Kommander script I work on to make SUSE more convenient for n00bs. I plan on doing something like this: rpm -i --no-deps http://something.smart.rpm rpm -i --no-deps http://something.python-rpm.rpm smart channel -y --add update type=rpm-md name="update" baseurl=http://ftp.belnet.be/linux/suse/suse/update/10.1/ smart update update smart upgrade -y libzypp zmd zen-updater etc. rczmd restart I need to do some testing to work out the details better but does anyone see any major pitfalls with the general idea? Martin --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Why does the howto refer to Zen-updater ("updater icon on you taskbar/panel")? And no reference to YOU? I was under the impression that the way to patch a fresh install was with YOU.
On 10.1, I found it effective to uninstall zmd, zen-updater, mono, etc. Then YaST and its online update module can be used to maintain a system with a manually added update server. It ends up working like in 10.0. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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Andreas Jaeger -
Kenneth Aar, Grafikern.no -
Marcus Meissner -
Martin Schlander -
Rebecca Walter -
Tilman Vogel