[opensuse] Novell CEO's community Answer
Hello All Have not seen any email with this URL from anyone on here, in case I missed it sorry. So much chatter on here ..... in case anyone missed it on /. and everywhere else, Ron has now personally addressed us the community and answered to the obviously incorrect statements from Steve B. Since I know Ron and know how passionate he is for Linux, I really think all of us can just for a moment stop the global paranoia fest and listen to positive Linux history in the making. As a Linux Geek I wish us all to see that M$'s target is clearly to divide us as a community. If that is what they want, then they are succeeding. It is up to us all and you to not let it happen. As a enemy of MSFT I would not expect anything less from them. http://www.novell.com/linux/microsoft/community_open_letter.html Andreas Girardet Linux Evangelist -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
* Andreas Girardet <agirardet@novell.com> [11-21-06 14:42]:
Have not seen any email with this URL from anyone on here,
There is a *reason*. It belongs in suse-ot@suse.com. This forum is for "technical" discussion of the SUSE issues of linux. Thankyou -- Patrick Shanahan Registered Linux User #207535 http://wahoo.no-ip.org @ http://counter.li.org HOG # US1244711 Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Yeah, right. Look back through the list archives since the deal between MS and Novell was announced. I'd bet close to 1/3 of all the mail to this list involved non technical discussions of the agreement. I'd think this might be a good thing on this list, since it puts forth what the Novell CEO's position on this deal is, and might end all of the speculation one way or the other. Tell me what the technical aspects of "A five year plan to Novell/SuSE" are. >>> On 11/21/2006 at 2:51 PM, Patrick Shanahan <ptilopteri@gmail.com> wrote: > * Andreas Girardet <agirardet@novell.com> [11-21-06 14:42]: >> Have not seen any email with this URL from anyone on here, > > There is a *reason*. It belongs in suse-ot@suse.com. > > This forum is for "technical" discussion of the SUSE issues of linux. > > Thankyou -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tue, 2006-11-21 at 15:00 -0500, Joe Zitnik wrote:
Yeah, right. Look back through the list archives since the deal between MS and Novell was announced. I'd bet close to 1/3 of all the mail to this list involved non technical discussions of the agreement. I'd think this might be a good thing on this list, since it puts forth what the Novell CEO's position on this deal is, and might end all of the speculation one way or the other. Tell me what the technical aspects of "A five year plan to Novell/SuSE" are.
Have a close look at: http://en.opensuse.org/Opensuse_mailing_list_netiquette And think again. -- Ken Schneider UNIX since 1989, linux since 1994, SuSE since 1998 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 11/21/2006 at 3:31 PM, Kenneth Schneider <suse-list3@bout-tyme.net> wrote: On Tue, 2006-11-21 at 15:00 -0500, Joe Zitnik wrote: Yeah, right. Look back through the list archives since the deal between MS and Novell was announced. I'd bet close to 1/3 of all the mail to this list involved non technical discussions of the agreement. I'd think this might be a good thing on this list, since it puts forth what the Novell CEO's position on this deal is, and might end all of the speculation one way or the other. Tell me what the technical aspects of "A five year plan to Novell/SuSE" are.
Have a close look at:
http://en.opensuse.org/Opensuse_mailing_list_netiquette
And think again.
Think again about what? All I did was present facts. Go back through the posts since the deal was announced and tell me how many were of a non technical nature. Dozens, maybe hundreds, and someone picks one e-mail to say, this isn't the place for that? Gimme a break. My point was, this list has been filled for weeks with discussion over the deal between Microsoft and Novell. Someone posts a useful link, one that presents the Novell CEOs position on the deal. I have to believe the CEO is more knowledgeable than the list users over the legal and economical reasons and ramifications of the deal. If anything, maybe his post will end some of the speculation by presenting a link to the explanation of SOMEONE WHO ACTUALLY KNOWs WHY this was done. You drew your line in the sand about a hundred miles after it was already crossed. That's all. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
* Joe Zitnik <JZitnik@hfcc.net> [11-21-06 15:46]:
Think again about what? All I did was present facts. Go back through the posts since the deal was announced and tell me how many were of a non technical nature. Dozens, maybe hundreds, and someone picks one e-mail to say, this isn't the place for that? Gimme a break. My point was, this list has been filled for weeks with discussion over the deal between Microsoft and Novell.
Then you are not doing your share (remember community?). Step up and tell it like is is _supposed_ to be. TAKE IT TO suse-ot! -- Patrick Shanahan Registered Linux User #207535 http://wahoo.no-ip.org @ http://counter.li.org HOG # US1244711 Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Tue November 21 2006 12:50, Patrick Shanahan wrote: Patrick, you might want to take a look at the email address of the original post - aka NOVELL.COM. Whether or not you contention that this should be moved to the OT list is well warrented, the original post is from a Novell employee and he's addressing the concerns about the community. I would suspect that this is directed by Novell itself. Therefore, telling a Novell employee that's likely acting under the direction of the Novell corp to take it to the OT list is not an issue for Andreas Girardet@novell.com? Curtis.
TAKE IT TO suse-ot! -- Patrick Shanahan Registered Linux User #207535 http://wahoo.no-ip.org @ http://counter.li.org HOG # US1244711 Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2
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* Curtis Rey <crey@san.rr.com> [11-21-06 16:31]:
Patrick, you might want to take a look at the email address of the original post - aka NOVELL.COM. Whether or not you contention that this should be moved to the OT list is well warrented, the original post is from a Novell employee and he's addressing the concerns about the community. I would suspect that this is directed by Novell itself. Therefore, telling a Novell employee that's likely acting under the direction of the Novell corp to take it to the OT list is not an issue for Andreas Girardet@novell.com?
I am aware of the origin. Novell/SUSE sponsor the list. ie: They may do as they wish. The rest of us do not have to propagate. I'm through. This debate is adding to the flufffffff. -- Patrick Shanahan Registered Linux User #207535 http://wahoo.no-ip.org @ http://counter.li.org HOG # US1244711 Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
>>> On 11/21/2006 at 3:50 PM, Patrick Shanahan <ptilopteri@gmail.com> wrote: > * Joe Zitnik <JZitnik@hfcc.net> [11-21-06 15:46]: >> Think again about what? All I did was present facts. Go back through >> the posts since the deal was announced and tell me how many were of a >> non technical nature. Dozens, maybe hundreds, and someone picks one >> e-mail to say, this isn't the place for that? Gimme a break. My point >> was, this list has been filled for weeks with discussion over the deal >> between Microsoft and Novell. > > Then you are not doing your share (remember community?). Step up and > tell it like is is _supposed_ to be. > > TAKE IT TO suse-ot! Do you just not get it? My issue isn't with your e-mail, or even the point you're trying to make. Is your LUG under attack? SuSE tainted A Five Year Deal to Dump Novell/SuSE There are dozens of these, just in the last ten hours,and you pick "Novell CEO's community Answer" to be the list police? I think you could have picked a better battle. Where was your indignance at their abuse of the list etiquette? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
* Joe Zitnik <JZitnik@hfcc.net> [11-21-06 16:26]:
There are dozens of these, just in the last ten hours,and you pick "Novell CEO's community Answer" to be the list police? I think you could have picked a better battle.
Then you take _your_ pick, there are plenty of choices. You have not done your home-work. If you want to check the archives, you will find that I quite frequently object to off-topic discussion on all the suse* and opensuse* lists.
Where was your indignance at their abuse of the list etiquette?
Ongoing and will continue. You _will_ see objections from others! done. -- Patrick Shanahan Registered Linux User #207535 http://wahoo.no-ip.org @ http://counter.li.org HOG # US1244711 Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 21 November 2006 15:34, Patrick Shanahan wrote: ....
You have not done your home-work. If you want to check the archives, you will find that I quite frequently object to off-topic discussion on all the suse* and opensuse* lists. ....
Patrick, http://en.opensuse.org/Communicate "User/Support Lists These lists are for generic questions and User to User support for the openSUSE distribution. * opensuse@opensuse.org" This is not only about technical, but also openSUSE distribution related social questions. That all is support. So it is not really OT to discuss recent events. What makes all threads looking bad is that many negative messages are based on external sources that are not necessarily friendly, only because they come from other Linux oriented sources. The Linux is commercialized more every day, and competition is growing. It is to expect more and worse attacks in the future, with more discussions going about. It is time to think about openSUSE-advocacy list, to move social events from this group. Just going around, telling everybody that any social related discussion is OT, leads nowhere. -- Regards, Rajko M. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wednesday 22 November 2006 11:34, Rajko M wrote:
On Tuesday 21 November 2006 15:34, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
You have not done your home-work. If you want to check the archives, you will find that I quite frequently object to off-topic discussion on all the suse* and opensuse* lists.
Patrick,
http://en.opensuse.org/Communicate "User/Support Lists These lists are for generic questions and User to User support for the openSUSE distribution. * opensuse@opensuse.org"
This is not only about technical, but also openSUSE distribution related social questions. That all is support.
So it is not really OT to discuss recent events.
Agreed. I think it does belong here. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sun, 2006-11-26 at 11:11 +0700, Matt T. wrote:
On Wednesday 22 November 2006 11:34, Rajko M wrote:
On Tuesday 21 November 2006 15:34, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
You have not done your home-work. If you want to check the archives, you will find that I quite frequently object to off-topic discussion on all the suse* and opensuse* lists.
Patrick,
http://en.opensuse.org/Communicate "User/Support Lists These lists are for generic questions and User to User support for the openSUSE distribution. * opensuse@opensuse.org"
This is not only about technical, but also openSUSE distribution related social questions. That all is support.
So it is not really OT to discuss recent events.
Agreed. I think it does belong here.
Then please read this: http://en.opensuse.org/Opensuse_mailing_list_netiquette -- Ken Schneider UNIX since 1989, linux since 1994, SuSE since 1998 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sunday 26 November 2006 16:48, Kenneth Schneider wrote:
This is not only about technical, but also openSUSE distribution related social questions. That all is support.
So it is not really OT to discuss recent events.
Agreed. I think it does belong here.
Then please read this:
Ummm, thats just a wiki. Anyone can deface a wiki. -- _____________________________________ John Andersen
On Sunday 26 November 2006 20:43, John Andersen wrote:
On Sunday 26 November 2006 16:48, Kenneth Schneider wrote:
This is not only about technical, but also openSUSE distribution related social questions. That all is support.
So it is not really OT to discuss recent events.
Agreed. I think it does belong here.
Then please read this:
Ummm, thats just a wiki. Anyone can deface a wiki.
Was that about Nov. 13 addition to the article? :-) It is good meant, but opensuse.org is hosting 3 Announce Lists, 11 User/Support Lists, 1 Project Lists, 3 Architecture Lists, 16 Topic Lists, 1 Test List. 35 Total Please see http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-project/2006-11/msg00133.html and if you feel that you would like it, vote for it. -- Regards, Rajko M. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
John Andersen a écrit :
Then please read this:
Ummm, thats just a wiki. Anyone can deface a wiki.
if this should be a problem, any sysop can protect the page from being modified, as some pages of the wiki are (like the front page) jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://dodin.org/mediawiki/index.php/GPS_Lowrance_GO -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sunday 26 November 2006 23:17, jdd wrote:
Then please read this:
Ummm, thats just a wiki. Anyone can deface a wiki.
if this should be a problem, any sysop can protect the page from being modified, as some pages of the wiki are (like the front page)
Not knowing a great deal about wiki management..... I would be more interested to know if it were possible to kno who changed a given page last, and when. -- _____________________________________ John Andersen
John Andersen a écrit :
On Sunday 26 November 2006 23:17, jdd wrote:
Then please read this:
http://en.opensuse.org/Opensuse_mailing_list_netiquette Ummm, thats just a wiki. Anyone can deface a wiki. if this should be a problem, any sysop can protect the page from being modified, as some pages of the wiki are (like the front page)
Not knowing a great deal about wiki management..... I would be more interested to know if it were possible to kno who changed a given page last, and when.
look at the history page (link at the bottom of any page). look also at the special:recent pages jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://dodin.org/mediawiki/index.php/GPS_Lowrance_GO -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sunday 26 November 2006 23:25, jdd wrote:
John Andersen a écrit :
On Sunday 26 November 2006 23:17, jdd wrote:
Then please read this:
Ummm, thats just a wiki. Anyone can deface a wiki.
if this should be a problem, any sysop can protect the page from being modified, as some pages of the wiki are (like the front page)
Not knowing a great deal about wiki management..... I would be more interested to know if it were possible to kno who changed a given page last, and when.
look at the history page (link at the bottom of any page). look also at the special:recent pages
jdd
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA BUSTED KEN! Thats exactly suspected. Ken puts in the prohibition about discussing certain articles and then points to it as if it were gospel. Here is the page before Ken's change http://en.opensuse.org/index.php?title=Opensuse_mailing_list_netiquette&oldid=10961 To Ken: At LEAST next time use a nom-du-keyboard! -- _____________________________________ John Andersen
John Andersen a écrit :
Not knowing a great deal about wiki management..... I would be more interested to know if it were possible to kno who changed a given page last, and when. look at the history page (link at the bottom of any page). look also at the special:recent pages
jdd
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
BUSTED KEN!
Thats exactly suspected. Ken puts in the prohibition about discussing certain articles and then points to it as if it were gospel.
Here is the page before Ken's change http://en.opensuse.org/index.php?title=Opensuse_mailing_list_netiquette&oldid=10961
To Ken: At LEAST next time use a nom-du-keyboard!
right. However I feel like Ken is at least partly right. Html should be prohibited on any mailing list. OT subject also, but in my own opinion, if one stay on the subject of this thread (Novell CEO...) this is _not_ OT. (and by the way discussion about this wiki page is not OT neither) jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://dodin.org/mediawiki/index.php/GPS_Lowrance_GO -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Monday 27 November 2006 00:26, jdd wrote:
(and by the way discussion about this wiki page is not OT neither)
But pointing out that "not ... neither" is somewhat non-standard usage, and redundant in that neither is a contraction of not+either, is CLEARLY off topic, not to mention pedantic. -- _____________________________________ John Andersen
John Andersen a écrit :
On Monday 27 November 2006 00:26, jdd wrote:
(and by the way discussion about this wiki page is not OT neither)
But pointing out that "not ... neither" is somewhat non-standard usage, and redundant in that neither is a contraction of not+either, is CLEARLY off topic, not to mention pedantic.
beg you pardon, I'm french and my english is poor :-( jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://dodin.org/mediawiki/index.php/GPS_Lowrance_GO -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
John Andersen wrote:
On Sunday 26 November 2006 16:48, Kenneth Schneider wrote:
This is not only about technical, but also openSUSE distribution related social questions. That all is support.
So it is not really OT to discuss recent events. Agreed. I think it does belong here. Then please read this:
Ummm, thats just a wiki. Anyone can deface a wiki.
Ah, I see you beat me to it :-) . I guess that there are people who also believe all they see on televsion. Cheers. -- "I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason and intellect has intended us to forgo their use." Galileo Galilei -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sunday 26 November 2006 19:48, Kenneth Schneider wrote: ...
This is not only about technical, but also openSUSE distribution related social questions. That all is support.
So it is not really OT to discuss recent events.
Agreed. I think it does belong here.
Then please read this:
Hi Ken, While I agree that one has to be on topic for the list, the article "Opensuse mailing list netiquette" is written about some technical oriented mail list, but without telling which one it is. The opensuse@opensuse.org is catch-it-all group. We need one that will allow any SUSE related postings, but as it appear we would need one called opensuse-advocacy. I hope that you agree and would vote for it. My next mail goes to opensuse-project@opensuse.org with proposal for new group. The purpose of this group is not changed a bit after Novell decided to move suse-linux-e here. -- Regards, Rajko M. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Kenneth Schneider wrote:
On Sun, 2006-11-26 at 11:11 +0700, Matt T. wrote:
On Wednesday 22 November 2006 11:34, Rajko M wrote:
On Tuesday 21 November 2006 15:34, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
You have not done your home-work. If you want to check the archives, you will find that I quite frequently object to off-topic discussion on all the suse* and opensuse* lists. Patrick,
http://en.opensuse.org/Communicate "User/Support Lists These lists are for generic questions and User to User support for the openSUSE distribution. * opensuse@opensuse.org"
This is not only about technical, but also openSUSE distribution related social questions. That all is support.
So it is not really OT to discuss recent events. Agreed. I think it does belong here.
Then please read this:
So I can go to this page and modify it to state that all discussion about politics, sex, religion and life, the universe and everything else is quite alright and you'll be happy about it because you have referred me, and others, to this page? Cheers. -- "I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason and intellect has intended us to forgo their use." Galileo Galilei -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tue, 2006-11-21 at 15:43 -0500, Joe Zitnik wrote:
If anything, maybe his post will end some of the speculation by presenting a link to the explanation of SOMEONE WHO ACTUALLY KNOWs WHY this was done. You drew your line in the sand about a hundred miles after it was already crossed. That's all.
While I agree with you that THIS thread possibly deserves an announcement to this list, I think this was the exception (I haven't read the link yet, but make an assumption it is offering rebuttal to MS-tales). You are in err to say the line was drawn on this thread, as hundreds of cries to carry such topics to the OT thread preceed it. This is the 'nuts & bolts' forum, and I for one am not intending to abandon SUSE until the facts are in. In the meantime, I follow this list for tips/tricks/insight of worth...not FUD. So I heartily agree...take it to OT PLEASE! -- Tom in NM SuSE 9.3/Evolution 8:35pm up 9 days 1:53, 2 users, load average: 0.33, 0.19, 0.11 ==== -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Has anyone made a suse-police@suse.com list? B-) On Tuesday 21 November 2006 12:51 pm, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
* Andreas Girardet <agirardet@novell.com> [11-21-06 14:42]:
Have not seen any email with this URL from anyone on here,
There is a *reason*. It belongs in suse-ot@suse.com.
This forum is for "technical" discussion of the SUSE issues of linux.
Thankyou -- Patrick Shanahan Registered Linux User #207535 http://wahoo.no-ip.org @ http://counter.li.org HOG # US1244711 Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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On Wednesday 22 November 2006 12:19, Brad Bourn wrote:
Has anyone made a suse-police@suse.com list?
Yep, you just got plonked to it for being a top-posting idiot. -- Calling an illegal alien an 'undocumented worker', is like calling a home intruder an 'unwanted houseguest'. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Patrick Shanahan wrote:
* Andreas Girardet <agirardet@novell.com> [11-21-06 14:42]:
Have not seen any email with this URL from anyone on here,
There is a *reason*. It belongs in suse-ot@suse.com.
This forum is for "technical" discussion of the SUSE issues of linux.
Thankyou
The *official* description of this forum as shown on the site is -- wait for it! : QUOTE Discussions about SUSE LINUX (english) UNQUOTE Thank *you*. Cheers. -- "I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason and intellect has intended us to forgo their use." Galileo Galilei -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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