[opensuse] Preferred PDF Reader
Is there a preferred PDF Reader for OpenSuSE...? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Saturday 10 May 2008 17:25, William Hammond wrote:
Is there a preferred PDF Reader for OpenSuSE...?
Many, presumably, as there are many preferences... I go with the de facto standard, Adobe Reader. The latter-day incarnations of this software are pretty good, and, as far as I can tell, on a par with their Mac and Windows counterparts. In the not-too-distant past, the Linux Reader lagged considerably behind its counterparts for the other OS platforms, but no longer. Now, if you're allergic to proprietary software, you'll have to make do with kpdf, but that's not me. Randall Schulz -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On KDE 4 - openSUSE 10.3, I´m using Okular... but... is so important to use a universal PDF reader, to work with all PDF documents. Adobe Reader is a good choice. Cheers. On Sat, May 10, 2008 at 11:08 PM, Randall R Schulz <rschulz@sonic.net> wrote:
On Saturday 10 May 2008 17:25, William Hammond wrote:
Is there a preferred PDF Reader for OpenSuSE...?
Many, presumably, as there are many preferences...
I go with the de facto standard, Adobe Reader. The latter-day incarnations of this software are pretty good, and, as far as I can tell, on a par with their Mac and Windows counterparts. In the not-too-distant past, the Linux Reader lagged considerably behind its counterparts for the other OS platforms, but no longer.
Now, if you're allergic to proprietary software, you'll have to make do with kpdf, but that's not me.
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On 10 May 08, Gabriel Stein wrote:
On KDE 4 - openSUSE 10.3, I´m using Okular... but... is so important to use a universal PDF reader, to work with all PDF documents. Adobe Reader is a good choice.
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On Sunday 11 May 2008 17:05, JB2 wrote:
On 10 May 08, Gabriel Stein wrote:
On KDE 4 - openSUSE 10.3, I´m using Okular... but... is so important to use a universal PDF reader, to work with all PDF documents. Adobe Reader is a good choice.
Please don't top-post.
Oh, nice, this again. I thought it hadn't had an airing for a week or two.
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Sunday 2008-05-11 at 11:05 -0500, JB2 wrote:
Please don't top-post.
I don't like topposts, but I would appreciate if you stopped saying that, unless you really have to add something as a real reply to what was said. A real reply. Or are you trying to star flamewars? - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFIKFKVtTMYHG2NR9URAs9HAJ4yCYESm1FdBWytwvTMvsmL7HsItQCfVcc9 BEI+Tp4Cy70jA4WnSJJzoNA= =5zlY -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Carlos E. R. pecked at the keyboard and wrote:
The Sunday 2008-05-11 at 11:05 -0500, JB2 wrote:
Please don't top-post.
I don't like topposts, but I would appreciate if you stopped saying that, unless you really have to add something as a real reply to what was said. A real reply.
Or are you trying to star flamewars?
-- Cheers, Carlos E. R.
The best is a polite private reply with a link to our etiquette wiki site. -- Ken Schneider SuSe since Version 5.2, June 1998 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Monday 2008-05-12 at 10:42 -0400, Ken Schneider wrote:
The best is a polite private reply with a link to our etiquette wiki site.
Yes. Or a reply to the question asked, mentioning also the preferrend method of replying o the list, or a link to the netiquette site, as you say. But a public "rebuke" with no help... no. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFIKFhstTMYHG2NR9URApAXAKCUXbfc5/A4YpFy6OgJEhAD1alW0wCfeu// 1Vt4YmIPBR4ThgK5+6oaJ+4= =9McS -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
* Ken Schneider <suse-list3@bout-tyme.net> [05-12-08 10:44]:
The Sunday 2008-05-11 at 11:05 -0500, JB2 wrote:
Please don't top-post.
The best is a polite private reply with a link to our etiquette wiki site.
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On Mon, 2008-05-12 at 16:22 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:
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The Sunday 2008-05-11 at 11:05 -0500, JB2 wrote:
Please don't top-post.
I don't like topposts, but I would appreciate if you stopped saying that, unless you really have to add something as a real reply to what was said. A real reply.
Or are you trying to star flamewars
Agreed. In fact, in the openSUSE Mailinglist Nettiquite <http://en.opensuse.org/OpenSUSE_mailing_list_netiquette> "Note: It is pointless to post email that is only warning about posting style. New openSUSE email user will feel unwanted and go away. Old list user does that intentionally and warning has no effect. If you don't want to read that mail than just skip it. If you want to answer, but you prefer top posting, tell that at the end, and link to this article for explanation." -- Kevin "Yo" Dupuy | Public Mail <kevin.dupuy@opensuse.org> | Yo.media: 225-590-5961 Swift Change for a Green Future: Kat Swift for President www.VoteSwift.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sat, 2008-05-10 at 19:08 -0700, Randall R Schulz wrote:
On Saturday 10 May 2008 17:25, William Hammond wrote:
Is there a preferred PDF Reader for OpenSuSE...?
Many, presumably, as there are many preferences...
I go with the de facto standard, Adobe Reader. The latter-day incarnations of this software are pretty good, and, as far as I can tell, on a par with their Mac and Windows counterparts. In the not-too-distant past, the Linux Reader lagged considerably behind its counterparts for the other OS platforms, but no longer.
Now, if you're allergic to proprietary software, you'll have to make do with kpdf, but that's not me.
Not specifically allergic, but just being aware of backdoors. I noticed not so long ago curious network traffic. It turned out to be generated by acrobat. For some documents, when a pdf was opened through firefox, a connection was set up to adobe. For other documents it tried to reach the original creator of that document. Perhaps there are even more side-effects that i'm not aware of. If you don't mind, ok, be these are the potential hazards of closed-source products hw -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Sunday 2008-05-11 at 14:45 +0200, Hans Witvliet wrote:
For other documents it tried to reach the original creator of that document.
This is a documented feature, and not very diferent from reading a web page: the creator can know you are reading it. You can use the firewall to block it. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFIJv5stTMYHG2NR9URAh6UAJ0c4s/yA2Lvs0B6B7JvAGMDbvikkwCgmVR6 fZvIA9az8E2Y53XWCk0hY60= =quJR -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sunday 11 May 2008 16:10:52 Carlos E. R. wrote:
The Sunday 2008-05-11 at 14:45 +0200, Hans Witvliet wrote:
For other documents it tried to reach the original creator of that document.
This is a documented feature, and not very diferent from reading a web page: the creator can know you are reading it.
As far as I know, this "feature" has been discussed many times over a long time, and in the later versions of acroread, you have to explicitly allow it to connect to the net By the way, it isn't that the "creator can know you are reading it", it is that internet resources can be embedded in a file, causing acroread to try to download them. It can be used for tracking, but it's not the primary purpose Anders -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Sunday 2008-05-11 at 17:17 +0200, Anders Johansson wrote:
By the way, it isn't that the "creator can know you are reading it", it is that internet resources can be embedded in a file, causing acroread to try to download them. It can be used for tracking, but it's not the primary purpose
It's not that. It is that the pdf file can contain scripted code that runs when the file is opened. And one of the things it can do is send something "home". - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFIJ0cXtTMYHG2NR9URAoczAJ4iFfxz7yXeiWJsgYfq+fXzTCGolQCfQ1ki cd6CLCeOWGmt/vJwRiZHW+A= =+a4F -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sunday 11 May 2008 21:20:44 Carlos E. R. wrote:
The Sunday 2008-05-11 at 17:17 +0200, Anders Johansson wrote:
By the way, it isn't that the "creator can know you are reading it", it is that internet resources can be embedded in a file, causing acroread to try to download them. It can be used for tracking, but it's not the primary purpose
It's not that. It is that the pdf file can contain scripted code that runs when the file is opened. And one of the things it can do is send something "home".
Indeed, but as I said, as far as I know, in later versions of acroread it doesn't happen automatically. You have to explicitly allow it to use the net Anders -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
William Hammond wrote:
Is there a preferred PDF Reader for OpenSuSE...?
Not really, but that's a good thing. Preference is often subjective, and at least OpenSuse gives you multiple choices. I use Acrobat Reader and Evice. Your milege may vary, so try them all out. They're all free. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sunday 11 May 2008 05:31:50 John Meyer wrote:
William Hammond wrote:
Is there a preferred PDF Reader for OpenSuSE...?
Not really, but that's a good thing. Preference is often subjective, and at least OpenSuse gives you multiple choices. I use Acrobat Reader and Evice. Your milege may vary, so try them all out. They're all free.
I mostly use acrobat. KPF is very very slow with some files and has been since it came out. It does read pages ahead but if you are quickly scanning ahead the dreaded X appears and things go far too slowly. Much seems to depend on the document being examined. I have also used ghostscript. No problems at all but I'm not sure how well it keeps up with acrobat changes. The latest version seems to be fine. I notice that acrobat has been recently web enabled on windoze. I can't help wondering what other than new releases of acrobat goes out to the web. As an aside djvu is in many ways a much better format. Take up seems to be a bit slow. Largely because acrobat is more or less supplied with every machine on the planet. John -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sunday 11 May 2008 03:02, John wrote:
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As an aside djvu is in many ways a much better format. Take up seems to be a bit slow. Largely because acrobat is more or less supplied with every machine on the planet.
Is that so? I've never seen it pre-installed on either MacOS or Windows.
John
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On Sunday 11 May 2008 14:46:56 Randall R Schulz wrote:
On Sunday 11 May 2008 03:02, John wrote:
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As an aside djvu is in many ways a much better format. Take up seems to be a bit slow. Largely because acrobat is more or less supplied with every machine on the planet.
Is that so? I've never seen it pre-installed on either MacOS or Windows.
John
Randall Schulz
It comes with most cards I've bought and is sometimes needed to even read the manual. I tend to build my own desktops but as my wife has no alternative other than to run windoze especially office we have also bought a number of lap tops, usually sony but more recently dell. These have come with it pre installed. Various machines I have used at work from various sources have also included it. One way or the other it does finish up on most machines on the planet. Some feel that this is holding djvu back - me included. I got into my xp installation (that doesn't work - see suse 10.3 install mails) as I had to load it to read some additional info on my mother board. It was on the disc for that also the nvidia disc. I'm not sure how that version became semi web aware and offered me the newer web enabled version. Could be windoze update or reading pdf's in explorer or firefox. John -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Content-ID: <alpine.LSU.1.00.0805111606101.29096@nimrodel.valinor> The Sunday 2008-05-11 at 11:02 +0100, John wrote: [ reposting; the list filter devnulled it. ]
As an aside djvu is in many ways a much better format. Take up seems to be a bit slow. Largely because acrobat is more or less supplied with every machine on the planet.
They are different things. PDF is very good for computer generated text, because it uses fonts. DjVu, on the other hand, is very good, perhaps perfect, for scanned material. I think its biggest problem is that creating .djvu files is too complex and slow. There is no support by any major GUI program: The Gimp can not even read them! Nor can you can not include a photo in openoffice. It is almost impossible to get the perfect command line combination to produce the best output file. The best approximation I know is trial and error... To convert a .png file I use this or similar: pngtopnm PNGFILE > PNMFILE c44 -dpi DOTSPERINCH -slice "23+19+17+13+9+7+5+3+2+1" PNMFILE and different incantation's depending on the quality desired. Of course, nothing advanced like monochrome image separation. If the developers want this format to take, they must provide support for it in graphics programs like gimp, and make them usable in other programs like openoffice, etc. Having to use their own isolated utilities to display them, and the very awkward command line c44 to create them, is absurd and obsolete. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFIJv3MtTMYHG2NR9URAuVCAJ9lAo/YWtvcaSBrNCIo6Y63ujhxagCeOs8a 5s4Y25ZUMaGM4o/fB7rVovA= =PLec -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sunday 11 May 2008 07:08, Carlos E. R. wrote:
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The Sunday 2008-05-11 at 11:02 +0100, John wrote:
[ reposting; the list filter devnulled it. ]
As an aside djvu is in many ways a much better format. Take up seems to be a bit slow. Largely because acrobat is more or less supplied with every machine on the planet.
They are different things. PDF is very good for computer generated text, because it uses fonts. DjVu, on the other hand, is very good, perhaps perfect, for scanned material.
I wonder what sort of production process institutions like the ACM use to digitize their pre-digital publications for which the paper copies are the most "original" they have. They scan the originals and produce PDFs that display and print the scanned content but which contain OCR-ed text that can be used for searching. It has OCR errors, of course, but it's about the best you can hope for. It actually works pretty well. Randall Schulz -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Saturday 10 May 2008 05:25:23 pm William Hammond wrote:
Is there a preferred PDF Reader for OpenSuSE...?
My prefered is kpdf because it loads quite a bit faster then adobe. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
William Hammond wrote:
Is there a preferred PDF Reader for OpenSuSE...?
I use both Adobe and KPFD. There are some things that work better in kpdf (text copying) and others that work better in adobe (navigation, zoom..). Both are excellent. -- David C. Rankin, J.D., P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sunday 11 May 2008 22:43, David C. Rankin wrote:
William Hammond wrote:
Is there a preferred PDF Reader for OpenSuSE...?
I use both Adobe and KPFD. There are some things that work better in kpdf (text copying) and others that work better in adobe (navigation, zoom..). Both are excellent.
Adobe Reader does have a problem with copying text. I've found that if you just hold down CTRL+C until it auto-repeats for a little while, you'll get your selection copied reliably. A bigger problem for me is a lot of documents converted from PostScript using the ps2pdf tools. They often (perhaps always) have a bizarre character encoding that leaves them readable on the screen (or in print) but causes the copied text to be gibberish. Nowadays I've taken to downloading papers from, e.g., CiteSeer in PostScript form instead of PDF and then using Adobe Acrobat to convert them. (I picked up a copy of Acrobat at a reasonable price by watching the used software shelf at a local used bookstore like a vulture and swooping in when they had a Windows copy, which I run under VMware.)
-- David C. Rankin
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Randall R Schulz wrote:
Nowadays I've taken to downloading papers from, e.g., CiteSeer in PostScript form instead of PDF and then using Adobe Acrobat to convert them. (I picked up a copy of Acrobat at a reasonable price by watching the used software shelf at a local used bookstore like a vulture and swooping in when they had a Windows copy, which I run under VMware.)
Yep, I did the same. Runs great under virtualbox as well ;-) -- David C. Rankin, J.D., P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 2008-05-10T17:25:23, William Hammond <tech@mbdsoft.com> wrote:
Is there a preferred PDF Reader for OpenSuSE...?
Acrobat is what I use most of the time; I really really like okular's annotation features and so on, but it is too slow for me on scrolling back and forth through the document. Regards, Lars -- Teamlead Kernel, SuSE Labs, Research and Development SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) "Experience is the name everyone gives to their mistakes." -- Oscar Wilde -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Monday 26 May 2008 03:54, Lars Marowsky-Bree wrote:
On 2008-05-10T17:25:23, William Hammond <tech@mbdsoft.com> wrote:
Is there a preferred PDF Reader for OpenSuSE...?
Acrobat is what I use most of the time; I really really like okular's annotation features and so on, but it is too slow for me on scrolling back and forth through the document.
Just to be terminologically pedantic, the free software available for "all three" OS platforms is now called Adobe Reader. The software called Acrobat is commercial (and quite expensive) and available only for Macintosh and Windows.
Regards, Lars
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On Monday 26 May 2008 03:54:00 am Lars Marowsky-Bree wrote:
On 2008-05-10T17:25:23, William Hammond <tech@mbdsoft.com> wrote:
Is there a preferred PDF Reader for OpenSuSE...?
Acrobat is what I use most of the time; I really really like okular's annotation features and so on, but it is too slow for me on scrolling back and forth through the document.
To the OP, I think that whatever desktop you choose (KDE or other) will have a preferred reader. I notice KPDF showing up, though, I've switched it to the Acrobat Reader using my desktop settings. Funny thing - when I installed Crossover Office, all my PDF files starting launching in the Windows Acroread software. Hmm - wonder if Acrobat full works in Wine... -- kai www.filesite.org || www.4thedadz.com || www.perfectreign.com remember - a turn signal is a statement, not a request -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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