RE: Re: [opensuse] TomTomGo Gps Map update on opensuse.
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Uzair Shamim Gesendet: Fr. 11.03.2016 02:58 An: opensuse@opensuse.org Betreff: Re: [opensuse] TomTomGo Gps Map update on opensuse.
I am not sure how you update this device but if it is just a USB connection you can easily make windows VM in KVM, do USB passthrough on the device and then update from windows. WINE is not always reliable so you may want to try KVM if needed.
-- Regards, Uzair Shamim --
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht Ende-----
Well you would not believe up to where greed arrives. The "new" TomTomGo Family has a dongled (that is, on purpose, a non standard) usb cable, NOT to allow "not vendor TomTomCable" to do data transfer. Recently you can find "cracked" third party usb-cable. If your read the manual of the device this is "crypted" by the sentence that the use of "non original usb cable" can lead to "problems during map update". What is more: the software seem to "sense" the presence of a "real" windows OS (it's a Volkswagen!), as the update is done via a browser plugin that does work in windows and mac but astonishingly does not allow Linux or the installation in Wine. As I do not owe any copy of windows anymore, since a decade, and all my machines I do buy them without the "markeleader OS", my solution will NOT be to prime a producer's organized crime behavior and worse to buy in addition a IMO non functional spyware from MS. Therefore, either I make it with this, or I will have to stick to internet cafés (as long as they still work with virtualized windows machine on linux hosts. My hope is the arrival on the market of some Chinese producer However Medion (AFAIK Lenovo) has "windows-mobile" on its devices .... and given the reliability of the latter OS (hands on experience) they should come directly inside a waste bag! (As to show that also Chinese industry happen to do all wrong sometimes). Garmin sells hardware with "best before date" having care to glue the battery inside the apparatus and needing 10 minutes and a reboot(!) to find the satellites. The fact that at the end I finished with TomTom was for despair and because it was "next!" in the queue, surely not because of conviction. Guess that gave you an idea. PS: The file system is "crypted" on the device because the mentality is, that "as a user I am a potential criminal". The rational stays within the fact the before some individuals acceded like you say through the network to extract the maps and (yes these where real AOTDs) and so, since at the time there was the great idea to do alike the printer producer (sell cheap crap and earn on the map "run by bike" to follow the indications in direction "dune de pilar". It will send you directly on a well guarded French army base for the development of middle distance missiles "Camp Naouas". It claims that your "cycle way" is right through the base. I know because I had a smalltalk with the heavily armed buddy at the entrance that fortunately was amused Did send a report to TomTom, got notified "corrected" and (after 6 updates and a year later) tried it out - to find myself at the entrance of the army base. :-) PITA is PITA I guess. No further comment. --- Mail & Cloud Made in Germany mit 3 GB Speicher! https://email.freenet.de/mail/Uebersicht?epid=e9900000450 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2016-03-11 08:06, stakanov@freenet.de wrote:
Well you would not believe up to where greed arrives.
yes...
The "new" TomTomGo Family has a dongled (that is, on purpose, a non standard) usb cable, NOT to allow "not vendor TomTomCable" to do data transfer. Recently you can find "cracked" third party usb-cable. If your read the manual of the device this is "crypted" by the sentence that the use of "non original usb cable" can lead to "problems during map update".
Oh :-(
What is more: the software seem to "sense" the presence of a "real" windows OS (it's a Volkswagen!), as the update is done via a browser plugin that does work in windows and mac but astonishingly does not allow Linux or the installation in Wine.
As I do not owe any copy of windows anymore, since a decade, and all my machines I do buy them without the "markeleader OS", my solution will NOT be to prime a producer's organized crime behavior and worse to buy in addition a IMO non functional spyware from MS.
Just install it virtualized, "for testing purposes", and without updates. Even if you get the black screen, it should allow you enough time for updates.
The fact that at the end I finished with TomTom was for despair and because it was "next!" in the queue, surely not because of conviction.
I have it because a friend had it. Initially they were not that close. At present, perhaps I would use an Android tablet instead. Google maps is very good, but needs internet (you can download your route at home in advance, though). OsmAnd is a reasonable alternative that uses stored, open, maps. BeOnRoad is another, but it is not that good. Then there is another one I can't remember, which works like a social network: you upload information as you go to other drivers, so that the system derives information about the best current route. The tomtom live has a pay system that works pretty well at big cities at least. From usage patterns they know about congestions and change the route on the fly to avoid them.
The file system is "crypted" on the device because the mentality is, that "as a user I am a potential criminal". The rational stays within the fact the before some individuals acceded like you say through the network to extract the maps and (yes these where real AOTDs) and so, since at the time there was the great idea to do alike the printer producer (sell cheap crap and earn on the map "run by bike" to follow the indications in direction "dune de pilar". It will send you directly on a well guarded French army base for the development of middle distance missiles "Camp Naouas". It claims that your "cycle way" is right through the base. I know because I had a smalltalk with the heavily armed buddy at the entrance that fortunately was amused Did send a report to TomTom, got notified "corrected" and (after 6 updates and a year later) tried it out - to find myself at the entrance of the army base. :-) PITA is PITA I guess. No further comment.
TomTom is very slow at correcting errors in their maps. They claim that they just buy the maps from another company and that it is their responsibility. Two years is normal :-/ -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar)
waze is one of the best replacement if you have gsm data, but this is not the case, say, at Gran Canion where it let me without indication for the return trip :-( and to be worst, map updates are extremely slow, need a hole night at best. I just verified than Garmin is really available from openSUSE, that is I can read the GPS content, but the update can only be done by the (windows or mac) garmin software. It was the same for tomtom two years ago... jdd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2016-03-11 10:45, jdd wrote:
waze is one of the best replacement if you have gsm data, but this is not the case, say, at Gran Canion where it let me without indication for the return trip :-(
That's the one I said that works as a social network and that I could not remember the name. I do prefer maps stored on the device disk. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar)
Carlos E. R. wrote:
The tomtom live has a pay system that works pretty well at big cities at least. From usage patterns they know about congestions and change the route on the fly to avoid them.
From "usage patterns"? My car's built-in GPS gets the info from the FM radio, as does my Garmin.
TomTom is very slow at correcting errors in their maps. They claim that they just buy the maps from another company and that it is their responsibility.
There are specialist companies out there that do nothing but collect map information and prepare it for their subscribers - Garmin, TomTom, the car manufacturers, Google etc. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (5.1°C) http://www.hostsuisse.com/ - virtual servers, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2016-03-11 11:12, Per Jessen wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
The tomtom live has a pay system that works pretty well at big cities at least. From usage patterns they know about congestions and change the route on the fly to avoid them.
From "usage patterns"? My car's built-in GPS gets the info from the FM radio, as does my Garmin.
TomTom Live use aggregation of usage patterns of their users, uploaded via the internet connection those models have. They don't have an FM radio, nor connect to the car radio. This is documented, because you have to give permission.
TomTom is very slow at correcting errors in their maps. They claim that they just buy the maps from another company and that it is their responsibility.
There are specialist companies out there that do nothing but collect map information and prepare it for their subscribers - Garmin, TomTom, the car manufacturers, Google etc.
Yes, I know. Once I wrote an email to TomTom comparing the map shown by the device, by google, and by the local authorities. Only the map made by the local authorities was correct, at least about the roundabout I was reporting. They acknowledged the error, but said it was up to the map provider to correct the error, which was quite important. I had to drive that way very often, and it was a nuisance hearing the wrong instructions. Not because I would take the wrong turn, but because I had to ignore the very talkative lady at the dashboard giving the wrong instructions :-) From initial report it took them about 2 years to get an updated and correct map. It is possible that they are faster at bigger cities. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar)
On Fri, Mar 11, 2016 at 10:18 AM, Carlos E. R. <robin.listas@telefonica.net> wrote:
On 2016-03-11 08:06, stakanov@freenet.de wrote:
Well you would not believe up to where greed arrives.
yes...
The "new" TomTomGo Family has a dongled (that is, on purpose, a non standard) usb cable, NOT to allow "not vendor TomTomCable" to do data transfer. Recently you can find "cracked" third party usb-cable. If your read the manual of the device this is "crypted" by the sentence that the use of "non original usb cable" can lead to "problems during map update".
Oh :-(
What is more: the software seem to "sense" the presence of a "real" windows OS (it's a Volkswagen!), as the update is done via a browser plugin that does work in windows and mac but astonishingly does not allow Linux or the installation in Wine.
As I do not owe any copy of windows anymore, since a decade, and all my machines I do buy them without the "markeleader OS", my solution will NOT be to prime a producer's organized crime behavior and worse to buy in addition a IMO non functional spyware from MS.
Just install it virtualized, "for testing purposes", and without updates. Even if you get the black screen, it should allow you enough time for updates.
The fact that at the end I finished with TomTom was for despair and because it was "next!" in the queue, surely not because of conviction.
I have it because a friend had it. Initially they were not that close. At present, perhaps I would use an Android tablet instead. Google maps is very good, but needs internet (you can download your route at home in advance, though). OsmAnd is a reasonable alternative that uses stored, open, maps. BeOnRoad is another, but it is not that good. Then there is another one I can't remember, which works like a social network: you upload information as you go to other drivers, so that the system derives information about the best current route.
We use Navit. Works off line against Open Street Map data. It is available for a number of platforms. We use it on openSUSE and get data from gpsd. It can also read direct from the GPS.
The tomtom live has a pay system that works pretty well at big cities at least. From usage patterns they know about congestions and change the route on the fly to avoid them.
The file system is "crypted" on the device because the mentality is, that "as a user I am a potential criminal". The rational stays within the fact the before some individuals acceded like you say through the network to extract the maps and (yes these where real AOTDs) and so, since at the time there was the great idea to do alike the printer producer (sell cheap crap and earn on the map "run by bike" to follow the indications in direction "dune de pilar". It will send you directly on a well guarded French army base for the development of middle distance missiles "Camp Naouas". It claims that your "cycle way" is right through the base. I know because I had a smalltalk with the heavily armed buddy at the entrance that fortunately was amused Did send a report to TomTom, got notified "corrected" and (after 6 updates and a year later) tried it out - to find myself at the entrance of the army base. :-) PITA is PITA I guess. No further comment.
TomTom is very slow at correcting errors in their maps. They claim that they just buy the maps from another company and that it is their responsibility. Two years is normal :-/
-- Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar)
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On 2016-03-11 13:07, Roger Oberholtzer wrote:
We use Navit. Works off line against Open Street Map data. It is available for a number of platforms. We use it on openSUSE and get data from gpsd. It can also read direct from the GPS.
I see mostly negative comments on google play. I'll try it, anyway. First thing I see is that it does not ask where to download the map: main disk, or external memory card. It goes to the main "disk". It downloads slowly on my fast internet. I touched the screen to see something else, and it aborted at 50% download. Start again. I'm not liking it... Second attempt at map download, it stays at 0%, which was one of the complains on the comments. Third attempt, it recovered 50% and continued. Finally it installed: it is slow (my phone is fast), poor in features, poor map displayed. OsmAnd is much much better. I remove it. On Linux, I don't have a GPS, so I can't try it there. It is available from Application:Geo repository. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar)
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