Re: [opensuse] Kernel Update and USB Mouse on SuSE 9.3
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 El 2007-11-24 a las 18:26 -0500, Ruben Safir escribió:
Message-ID: <20071123180019.GA18713@www2.mrbrklyn.com> References: <1195816660.30586.54.camel@g168.suse.de> <1195840395.5152.43.camel@desktop.bryen.info> In-Reply-To: <1195840395.5152.43.camel@desktop.bryen.info>
You see that you are in fact answering to an email from Bryen, replacing the subject line with another:
Message-Id: <1195840395.5152.43.camel@desktop.bryen.info>
That's a full blown intentional thread hijack.
You spend too much time examing headers and finding ways to insult people.
Me? Insulting you? Where do you get that impression? :-O Everybody here is witness I did not.
But for what it is worth, it was easier to reply to a random message and to change the subject then to try to copy and paste the email address from from the list through vnc on a windows box at work through a web browser.
That's precisely a thread hijack. You confessed!
It might occur to you that a threadinging implementation (one which is not BTW part of mutt on SuSE) that can't figure out that the subject line has changed is by definition a broken implementation.
The subject line change is irrelevant for threading, and thus, ignored.
But do me and the entire list a favor. Next time you decide to rant with little or no provocation, by all means, use your procmail to dev null me and save everyone bandwidth. I've used the same email address for about 7 years so this shouldn't be so hard.
In the mean time ask yourself if it is easier to flail away helplessly at winmills and trying to get everyone on earth to conform to a misguild sense of universal justice, or to exert self control on your individual behavior.
In the mean time, I've been apreciative of the help I've recieved here, less enthrawed with the rudeness. But this is par for a list as large as this one. There are aways a lot of ego's floating around with a list this large and with this much traffic.
As always
Resectfully yours
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 * Carlos E. R. <robin.listas@telefonica.net> [11-24-07 19:22]:
El 2007-11-24 a las 18:26 -0500, Ruben Safir escribió:
But do me and the entire list a favor. Next time you decide to rant with little or no provocation, by all means, use your procmail to dev null me and save everyone bandwidth. I've used the same email address for about 7 years so this shouldn't be so hard.
In the mean time ask yourself if it is easier to flail away helplessly at winmills and trying to get everyone on earth to conform to a misguild sense of universal justice, or to exert self control on your individual behavior.
In the mean time, I've been apreciative of the help I've recieved here, less enthrawed with the rudeness. But this is par for a list as large as this one. There are aways a lot of ego's floating around with a list this large and with this much traffic.
At last, published confirmation that "ejeekated fools" do exist! - -- Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://counter.li.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHSMd4ClSjbQz1U5oRAu8qAJ9IzVwfOnfiNNgtCRDw75aCB/d+UQCfaGZ8 Uq3xi2BDL8Q/VaIxm4kiPuc= =0hKI -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sun, Nov 25, 2007 at 01:21:45AM +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote:
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El 2007-11-24 a las 18:26 -0500, Ruben Safir escribió:
Message-ID: <20071123180019.GA18713@www2.mrbrklyn.com> References: <1195816660.30586.54.camel@g168.suse.de> <1195840395.5152.43.camel@desktop.bryen.info> In-Reply-To: <1195840395.5152.43.camel@desktop.bryen.info>
You see that you are in fact answering to an email from Bryen, replacing the subject line with another:
Message-Id: <1195840395.5152.43.camel@desktop.bryen.info>
That's a full blown intentional thread hijack.
You spend too much time examing headers and finding ways to insult people.
Me? Insulting you? Where do you get that impression? :-O
Everybody here is witness I did not.
But for what it is worth, it was easier to reply to a random message and to change the subject then to try to copy and paste the email address from from the list through vnc on a windows box at work through a web browser.
That's precisely a thread hijack. You confessed!
It might occur to you that a threadinging implementation (one which is not BTW part of mutt on SuSE) that can't figure out that the subject line has changed is by definition a broken implementation.
The subject line change is irrelevant for threading, and thus, ignored.
If a message is sent off list to you, it is unconsciousable and childish to sent it back to the list. On most lists that would get a suspension of privledges. Respectively your Ruben -- http://www.mrbrklyn.com - Interesting Stuff http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software So many immigrant groups have swept through our town that Brooklyn, like Atlantis, reaches mythological proportions in the mind of the world - RI Safir 1998 http://fairuse.nylxs.com DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI Safir 2002 "Yeah - I write Free Software...so SUE ME" "The tremendous problem we face is that we are becoming sharecroppers to our own cultural heritage -- we need the ability to participate in our own society." "> I'm an engineer. I choose the best tool for the job, politics be damned.< You must be a stupid engineer then, because politcs and technology have been attached at the hip since the 1st dynasty in Ancient Egypt. I guess you missed that one." © Copyright for the Digital Millennium -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 * Ruben Safir <ruben@mrbrklyn.com> [11-24-07 20:14]:
If a message is sent off list to you, it is unconsciousable and childish to sent it back to the list.
and about *your* actions "on list", ie: failure/refusal to follow list standards/ netiquette?
On most lists that would get a suspension of privledges.
and you would be known as an "aoler", but that probably pre-dates your eight-year-old addr. - -- Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://counter.li.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHSM36ClSjbQz1U5oRAqxxAJ9t79T+6vLaarve9XMf58aJ0WCK0wCdH/Ic JOfPdw1pYoVrio7cSBJbuVU= =bQjd -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sat, Nov 24, 2007 at 08:20:58PM -0500, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
* Ruben Safir <ruben@mrbrklyn.com> [11-24-07 20:14]:
If a message is sent off list to you, it is unconsciousable and childish to sent it back to the list.
and about *your* actions "on list", ie: failure/refusal to follow list standards/ netiquette?
On most lists that would get a suspension of privledges.
and you would be known as an "aoler", but that probably pre-dates your eight-year-old addr.
Thanks I'll also keep that in mind. Never the less, returning private email back to a list would normally bring a suspension. It is more than a violation of netettiquite. It's a violation of basic human decency. Should we call Rick Moen and ask his opinion? Ruben -- http://www.mrbrklyn.com - Interesting Stuff http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software So many immigrant groups have swept through our town that Brooklyn, like Atlantis, reaches mythological proportions in the mind of the world - RI Safir 1998 http://fairuse.nylxs.com DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI Safir 2002 "Yeah - I write Free Software...so SUE ME" "The tremendous problem we face is that we are becoming sharecroppers to our own cultural heritage -- we need the ability to participate in our own society." "> I'm an engineer. I choose the best tool for the job, politics be damned.< You must be a stupid engineer then, because politcs and technology have been attached at the hip since the 1st dynasty in Ancient Egypt. I guess you missed that one." © Copyright for the Digital Millennium -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Saturday 2007-11-24 at 20:35 -0500, Ruben Safir wrote:
I'll also keep that in mind. Never the less, returning private email back to a list would normally bring a suspension. It is more than a violation of netettiquite. It's a violation of basic human decency.
Sorry, but first you accepted and thanked my explanations in public, then later falsely accused and insulted me otherwise. That was too much for me to bear alone :-( - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn0 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFHSNm9tTMYHG2NR9URAp1qAJ9zv0Pi7OwvDYgpWrdhCAzIY5RQxQCfVWUX /p3ovmij7byLaQZiiN4LYRE= =AV+O -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Saturday 24 November 2007 07:35:41 pm Ruben Safir wrote:
On Sat, Nov 24, 2007 at 08:20:58PM -0500, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
* Ruben Safir <ruben@mrbrklyn.com> [11-24-07 20:14]:
If a message is sent off list to you, it is unconsciousable and childish to sent it back to the list.
and about *your* actions "on list", ie: failure/refusal to follow list standards/ netiquette?
On most lists that would get a suspension of privledges.
and you would be known as an "aoler", but that probably pre-dates your eight-year-old addr.
Thanks
I'll also keep that in mind. Never the less, returning private email back to a list would normally bring a suspension. It is more than a violation of netettiquite. It's a violation of basic human decency.
Maybe some partner search service has such policy, but on public mail lists is more common to consider sending private email as violation of privacy and most of them prevent list users from knowing other party email address. You communicate only to the list server, and if you have complains you can address list administrator or moderator, not the other party. On this list is not forbidden to send unsolicited off list emails, but it is the recipient right to decide how to reply, direct or to add CC:mail_list, CC:list_administrator, or anyone else. This is just a common sense that applies to any unsolicited email.
Should we call Rick Moen and ask his opinion?
As you can see we can handle it. BTW, your signature block is annoyingly long. One of the longest I have ever seen. -- Regards, Rajko. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Saturday 24 November 2007 10:04:56 pm Rajko M. wrote:
on public mail lists is more common to consider sending private email as violation of privacy and most of them prevent list users from knowing other party email address.
I have to correct that most of the lists prevent users from knowing other party email address. It is only reply directed to list, not to other party. Though, main point that unsolicited off list email is at recipient mercy, still stands. -- Regards, Rajko. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Rajko M. wrote:
On Saturday 24 November 2007 07:35:41 pm Ruben Safir wrote:
On Sat, Nov 24, 2007 at 08:20:58PM -0500, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
* Ruben Safir <ruben@mrbrklyn.com> [11-24-07 20:14]:
If a message is sent off list to you, it is unconsciousable and childish to sent it back to the list. and about *your* actions "on list", ie: failure/refusal to follow list standards/ netiquette?
On most lists that would get a suspension of privledges. and you would be known as an "aoler", but that probably pre-dates your eight-year-old addr. Thanks
I'll also keep that in mind. Never the less, returning private email back to a list would normally bring a suspension. It is more than a violation of netettiquite. It's a violation of basic human decency.
Maybe some partner search service has such policy, but on public mail lists is more common to consider sending private email as violation of privacy and most of them prevent list users from knowing other party email address. You communicate only to the list server, and if you have complains you can address list administrator or moderator, not the other party.
On this list is not forbidden to send unsolicited off list emails, but it is the recipient right to decide how to reply, direct or to add CC:mail_list, CC:list_administrator, or anyone else. This is just a common sense that applies to any unsolicited email.
Should we call Rick Moen and ask his opinion?
As you can see we can handle it.
BTW, your signature block is annoyingly long. One of the longest I have ever seen.
There was a time, years ago, I developed an extremely large .sig... precisely for the purpose of annoying a couple of venues which were composed almost completely who deserved to be annoyed...continuously ;-) And this was in the days of dialup! There's several thousand (10,000 or so?) messages from me like that on some USENET groups which were populated primarily by some particularly vile people. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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