Since installing v8.1 last year it's been a PITA for me to update the system using YOU <shudder>. Two nights ago I installed fou4s (the RPM). It is a PLEASURE to use! I had bought a new HD and had to install 8.1 from scratch, and fou4s updated the new installation with no problems - and in record time! (well, if you call 3 1/2 hours on a 56K modem "record time" :-)) Many Thank Yous to all those who wrote, and maintain, fou4s. May you prosper. Cheers. -- In a period of great joy and pleasure you are comforted by the thought that tragedy is just around the corner.