[SLE] Installing 10.1 from CDs oddities
Hi all, I'm throwing this out first to see if others have experienced the same thing, before I report it to bugzilla. When everyone first started to complain about 10.1 and the few problems it seemed to have, updater, missing proprietary kernel modules, etc., I suspected it was only the usual whining that came about from a new release with some changes. I think I may have to join the group though, if the latest experience I have had is the normal behavior. Let me try to explain. While trying to install 10.1 from the 6 CDs on a pretty ordinary machine where all other SUSE installs have been no problem, things did not go well. I've spent about one & half days now trying to get 10.1, boxed, to install. First problem I ran into was the software installation getting to the 3rd or 4th disc and yast reporting that it could not find the file on this disc. Nothing unusual, right? Retry, abort, ignore. I asked it to retry and immediately it dropped out of yast to continue booting to the login screen. Of course, it's very difficult to login if there are no users or passwords established. Tried several things without success. Restarted the install process with another set of 10.1 discs, thinking something wrong with first set. During the second install, at the installation, update or other screen, I made the mistake of selecting the add source for other addons (not exact wording). I think someone else may have mentioned this problem/bug and it would seem to be a problem. Thinking I needed to add disc 6 with this, I proceeded. Tried to add, it couldn't find a catalog, so went back a step without selecting anything. Suddenly the machine seemed to be maxed out on the cpu. Slow response on everything, machine mostly unusable! Tried getting the disc out of the drive, but couldn't, it was locked. Again, I restarted the installation. Ok, third time I have everything figured out and should work. Wrong! Again, died at 4th disc with couldn't find file. Abort, retry, Ignore. Ignore this time and here it goes, booting to login screen. Again, tried several things in an attempt to have it continue, but no luck. Ok, so something is wrong with the discs, the brand, the burn, something or the ISO it was made from. I start a fourth time, with a new set of burned CDs only to get to the 4th disc to not find the file again. Same thing, boot to login screen. I do the old ctrl-alt-del key sequence for a reboot, but before I could change the disc to CD 1, it starts the process, but goes back to the installation screen asking for disc 4! Installation proceeds from there without further problems. Frustration had already started to settle in, let me assure you and the 10.0 discs were ready and waiting for their problem free turn! I've never had an install take as long as this nor so many problems on hardware that is very Linux friendly. Installing from the DVD on my main machine was a breeze and problem free, except for the terrible mono updater and other things everyone else has mentioned. Overall, 10.1 just has not felt right, not complete or something. I am sure neither I nor many other long time SUSE users were expecting this from such a seasoned Linux distro. As scsijon mentioned in his mail, I also will not recommend my customers to upgrade to 10.1, as 10.0, by far, felt more finished & stable. I would like to know if other CD users have experienced such problems and should it be reported to bugzilla? TIA, Lee -- Check the headers for your unsubscription address For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the archives at http://lists.suse.com Please read the FAQs: suse-linux-e-faq@suse.com
On Thursday 01 June 2006 14:36, BandiPat wrote:
Ok, third time I have everything figured out and should work. Wrong! Again, died at 4th disc with couldn't find file. Abort, retry, Ignore. Ignore this time and here it goes, booting to login screen. Again, tried several things in an attempt to have it continue, but no luck.
Yes, there appears to be a bug in the (new?) Yast.... I made my own DVD from the boxed DVD (32 bit only, single layer like I've been doing for the past 3 releases) Apparently the dvd I was using had a bit of dirt on it but whatever..... In the middle of the DVD install, it came up with a missing RPM file.... and no matter what you select (retry, abort, ignore) it immediately threw up a major error and the only choice was to restart the install. I think the difference between our problems is that perhaps your install had already booted once? So it tried to do something else when the major error occurred. But there is definitely something wrong with Yast's error handling. I think I put in a bugzillla report on this but it wouldn't help for you to do the same. -- Check the headers for your unsubscription address For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the archives at http://lists.suse.com Please read the FAQs: suse-linux-e-faq@suse.com
--- Bruce Marshall
On Thursday 01 June 2006 14:36, BandiPat wrote:
Ok, third time I have everything figured out and should work. Wrong! Again, died at 4th disc with couldn't find file. Abort, retry, Ignore. Ignore this time and here it goes, booting to login screen. Again, tried several things in an attempt to have it continue, but no luck.
Yes, there appears to be a bug in the (new?) Yast....
I made my own DVD from the boxed DVD (32 bit only, single layer like I've been doing for the past 3 releases)
Apparently the dvd I was using had a bit of dirt on it but whatever..... In the middle of the DVD install, it came up with a missing RPM file.... and no matter what you select (retry, abort, ignore) it immediately threw up a major error and the only choice was to restart the install.
I think the difference between our problems is that perhaps your install had already booted once? So it tried to do something else when the major error occurred.
But there is definitely something wrong with Yast's error handling. I think I put in a bugzillla report on this but it wouldn't help for you to do the same.
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I have given up on 10.1. Though I finally did get an install (after at least 4 tries - and without any of the Add-Ons from CD #6). Attempting to add anything after the install - using either Yast sources or CD - was frustration. Decided to see what the "stripped down install" would do. Well, whatever app I tried it moved at a snail's pace. (I run an Asus A78NX-Deluxe board with an AMD Barton chip (1.4Mhz) with a gig of Ram and a 120Gig HD.) I quit... for now -- I will check again with 10.2 or whatever the debugged one is numbered. StephenW -- Check the headers for your unsubscription address For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the archives at http://lists.suse.com Please read the FAQs: suse-linux-e-faq@suse.com
On Thursday 01 June 2006 13:36, BandiPat wrote:
I would like to know if other CD users have experienced such problems and should it be reported to bugzilla?
TIA, Lee
I too have had problems with the "file not found" when installing off the discs. I had downloaded and burned the ISO's. After 3 sets, I finally just gave up, went for a really limited install and grabbed everything else by download. Rob -- Check the headers for your unsubscription address For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the archives at http://lists.suse.com Please read the FAQs: suse-linux-e-faq@suse.com
BandiPat wrote:
unusual, right? Retry, abort, ignore.
this thing is typical of hardware problem. even if you happen to complete the install, it will be necessary broken. try to clean the disks (with soap and fresh water, simply, whash your hands on the same process as finger prints are desastrous and clean with toilet paper). If this don't fix the problem, go back to the store and ask for a replacement... jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://dodin.org/galerie_photo_web/expo/index.html http://lucien.dodin.net http://fr.susewiki.org/index.php?title=Gérer_ses_photos -- Check the headers for your unsubscription address For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the archives at http://lists.suse.com Please read the FAQs: suse-linux-e-faq@suse.com
On Friday 02 June 2006 07:00, jdd sur free wrote:
this thing is typical of hardware problem. even if you happen to complete the install, it will be necessary broken.
Not necessarily so.... If it fails to load a non-essential RPM file (say Gaim for example), it would be easy enough to load it up after the install is finished. -- Check the headers for your unsubscription address For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the archives at http://lists.suse.com Please read the FAQs: suse-linux-e-faq@suse.com
Bruce Marshall wrote:
On Friday 02 June 2006 07:00, jdd sur free wrote:
this thing is typical of hardware problem. even if you happen to complete the install, it will be necessary broken.
Not necessarily so.... If it fails to load a non-essential RPM file (say Gaim for example), it would be easy enough to load it up after the install is finished.
theorically, you are right, but as YaST is not built to cope with hardawre problems (and this is really difficult to acheive :-), anything can happen... even some small essential package not beeing installed. I wont trust this kind of install (I already paid for knowing that :-() jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://dodin.org/galerie_photo_web/expo/index.html http://lucien.dodin.net http://fr.susewiki.org/index.php?title=Gérer_ses_photos -- Check the headers for your unsubscription address For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the archives at http://lists.suse.com Please read the FAQs: suse-linux-e-faq@suse.com
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