RE: [SLE] Is SUSE the market-place chicken or the egg?
[snip a bunch of good points about corporate/lawyer-influenced sociology]
So I'm looking for a persuasive argument to present to those people who _do_ make such decisions and actions, to justify additional resources for testing on new-to-us platforms (SLES and the desktop SUSE) prior to each release of our products.
So you are seeking information that would be knowledge expected of sales personel in perhaps a cold call?
Possibly in the future (though that would not go over well on the list), but at present they'd have nothing to offer, would they? If anybody is using our stuff with SUSE, we don't seem to know about it, and they aren't proud to publicize it. More to the point, NOBODY of any consequence is admitting to using SUSE corporately, at least not that I've heard.
I believe I did. :) Hopefully I'll be getting SUSE in here at my new office, too. I just have to convince upper management that my 98,000 co-workers need to upgrade from Windows. (Yes, I am thinking more on a departmental level ATM. I'm not totally crazy....yet.) I've got a few convinced already that my laptop has the coolest screensaver (matrix) in the building.
Primarily I want to pique the interest of a couple of Product Managers and senior directors, who decide what we support, meaning that
<snip> So this whole discussion is about what your company should produce?? What is your company? Is it SafeNet? http://www.safenet-inc.com/ If so, you'd probably have more luck asking the "platform" of choice question on Security Forums - http://www.security-forums.com/ - a very high-traffic site known by many who live/breathe and often sleep in cold rooms. Most here on this list – myself included – look at this type of hardware/application but are more users rather than implementers. <snip> HTH!! -- k
On Thursday 27 April 2006 15:02, Kai Ponte wrote:
Hopefully I'll be getting SUSE in here at my new office, too. I just have to convince upper management that my 98,000 co-workers need to upgrade from Windows.
The trick is proving to the corporate world that it saves *them* money to be platform independent--allow the employees to choose the platform that works for them. The platform should be the employee's responsibility: The employee comes to work with a functioning lap-top (their choice, their load) complete with desk-top of choice, an e-mail client, word-processor [office suit], and Wifi card... the employer maybe maintains databases, infrustructure, firewall, etc, but the employee maintains their own workstation--just like they maintain their own automobile, wardrobe, and lifestyle. Platform independence saves money and allows the best technology to rise to the top without being stomped by a really bad M$ momentum. Companies do not need to be in the PC hardware/software cycle, neither do they need to be dominated by '80s-'90s M$ strategies. All of my machines are running SUSE-- 9.2 9.3 and 10.0 ... and they run great! (When I worked at IBM [25 years] I used Windblows to run Lotu$ Note$ and Linux for everything else... Redhat at the time, until I learned how to run Lotu$ Note$ in Wine... then I used Linux for everything. Today I use SUSE Linux for everything computer related [except for IBM, I fired them a couple of years ago because they wouldn't give up Lotu$ Note$] and I'm not moving back to Windoze---ever) Simply Change. -- Kind regards, Mark H. Harris <>< harrismh777@earthlink.net
On 4/27/06, Kai Ponte <kai@perfectreign.com> wrote:
Hopefully I'll be getting SUSE in here at my new office, too. I just have to convince upper management that my 98,000 co-workers need to upgrade from Windows. (Yes, I am thinking more on a departmental level ATM. I'm not totally crazy....yet.)
I've got a few convinced already that my laptop has the coolest screensaver (matrix) in the building.
Keep up with the new Xen/VT technology coming out. You need a new CPU/MB/etc. to use it with XP, but ... Once you have the right hardware and Xen 3.0 you should be able to boot your machine to SUSE 10.1, use that as your host os/hypervisor. Then have client os'es of XP, SUSE, BSD, etc. And all of that should run with fairly small overhead from Xen due to its para-virtualization technology. I've heard less than 5% overhead when it is a para-virtualized guest OS. SUSE 10 (and 10.1 i assume) come with a para-virtualized kernel to support XEN efficiently. I haven't seen overhead percentages for XEN running XP via VT yet. Back to your proselytizing, you would be able set your co-workers up as dual os, then interaction by interaction they could decide which OS to use. That gives them the ability to make the transition one application at a time. Greg -- Greg Freemyer The Norcross Group Forensics for the 21st Century
On Friday 28 April 2006 07:39 am, Greg Freemyer wrote:
On 4/27/06, Kai Ponte <kai@perfectreign.com> wrote:
Hopefully I'll be getting SUSE in here at my new office, too. I just have to convince upper management that my 98,000 co-workers need to upgrade from Windows. (Yes, I am thinking more on a departmental level ATM. I'm not totally crazy....yet.)
I've got a few convinced already that my laptop has the coolest screensaver (matrix) in the building.
Keep up with the new Xen/VT technology coming out. You need a new CPU/MB/etc. to use it with XP, but ...
w00t! An excuse to buy me some new hardware. :)
Once you have the right hardware and Xen 3.0 you should be able to boot your machine to SUSE 10.1, use that as your host os/hypervisor. Then have client os'es of XP, SUSE, BSD, etc.
And all of that should run with fairly small overhead from Xen due to its para-virtualization technology. I've heard less than 5% overhead when it is a para-virtualized guest OS. SUSE 10 (and 10.1 i assume) come with a para-virtualized kernel to support XEN efficiently. I haven't seen overhead percentages for XEN running XP via VT yet.
Back to your proselytizing, you would be able set your co-workers up as dual os, then interaction by interaction they could decide which OS to use. That gives them the ability to make the transition one application at a time.
We'll see what happens. I also intend to start some people with eye-candy, once 10.x is stable enough with the XGL stuff. Of course, that will require new hardware, too, as my laptop can't handle much. :P -- k
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