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Anton Aylward

23 Jan 2014 23 Jan '14

14:44

I've been googling for this and am confused. Some sources say that its included, but I don't see that in the extensions manager. Other say you have to import it -- apt-get for ubuntu. Zypper search doesn't show it. A search for an downlandable version turns up Oracle/OpenOffice which is unusable Is this missing completely from the openSuse implementation or what? -- "Being professional is doing all the things you love to do on days when don't feel like doing them". -- Julius Erving. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

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Carlos E. R.

23 Jan 23 Jan

17:32

On 2014-01-23 15:44, Anton Aylward wrote:

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Is this missing completely from the openSuse implementation or what?

LibreOffice -> File -> Open -> select PDF file - enter. Works here. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 12.3 x86_64 "Dartmouth" at Telcontar)

Anton Aylward

19:00

On 01/23/2014 12:32 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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On 2014-01-23 15:44, Anton Aylward wrote:

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Is this missing completely from the openSuse implementation or what?

LibreOffice -> File -> Open -> select PDF file - enter.

Works here.

OK, done that. What I get is an image. Each line of text is a separate image thing. So if I were to compose a document with -writer and export as a PDF then import, what it imports into is -draw. I can edit it as a drawing, a picture, but not as a text. If I were to compose as a proper graphic, and here my experience with with InkScape rather than -draw, then the text boxes flow, they are not the disjointed things like this. Is there no way I can get the PDF back into the -writer? Maybe hand editing is doable for a one page document but not for some of the longer ones. -- December 32, 1999: We're pleased to report no Y2K failures! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

John Andersen

20:00

On 1/23/2014 11:00 AM, Anton Aylward wrote:

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On 01/23/2014 12:32 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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On 2014-01-23 15:44, Anton Aylward wrote:

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Is this missing completely from the openSuse implementation or what?

LibreOffice -> File -> Open -> select PDF file - enter.

Works here.

OK, done that. What I get is an image. Each line of text is a separate image thing. So if I were to compose a document with -writer and export as a PDF then import, what it imports into is -draw. I can edit it as a drawing, a picture, but not as a text.

If I were to compose as a proper graphic, and here my experience with with InkScape rather than -draw, then the text boxes flow, they are not the disjointed things like this.

Is there no way I can get the PDF back into the -writer?

Maybe hand editing is doable for a one page document but not for some of the longer ones.

google pdf to odt It is a service on the web, zamzar.com and about 29 similar others. (I wouldn't send anything private to these), and there are other options as well that google will reveal. The old Kword used to do this at some level. Calibre (ebook manager) has the ability to import PDF and send to .RTF, but the conversion isn't all that great. If its really important (important enough to use windows) Adobe Reader X offers this as a service (paid). However, PDF was never meant to be an editable storage medium. -- _____________________________________ ---This space for rent--- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Anton Aylward

20:09

On 01/23/2014 03:00 PM, John Andersen wrote:

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However, PDF was never meant to be an editable storage medium.

I have no wish to edit a PDF! I'm trying to reclaim a lost .odt file for which I have found a PDF. Actually there was series of .odt and .pdf, but I've lost all of them. (Don't ask) but if I can reconstitute one .odt I might be able to derive the others. Might. The PDF isn't going to be edited. -- "Being professional is doing all the things you love to do on days when don't feel like doing them". -- Julius Erving. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Carlos E. R.

20:56

On 2014-01-23 21:09, Anton Aylward wrote:

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On 01/23/2014 03:00 PM, John Andersen wrote:

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However, PDF was never meant to be an editable storage medium.

I have no wish to edit a PDF!

I'm trying to reclaim a lost .odt file for which I have found a PDF. Actually there was series of .odt and .pdf, but I've lost all of them. (Don't ask) but if I can reconstitute one .odt I might be able to derive the others.

Might.

I find it easier to simply create a new document, but perhaps pasting text from the PDF file. There is a pdf to text converter somewhere. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 12.3 x86_64 "Dartmouth" at Telcontar)

Ken Schneider - openSUSE

21:16

On 01/23/2014 03:56 PM, Carlos E. R. pecked at the keyboard and wrote:

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On 2014-01-23 21:09, Anton Aylward wrote:

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On 01/23/2014 03:00 PM, John Andersen wrote:

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However, PDF was never meant to be an editable storage medium.

I have no wish to edit a PDF!

I'm trying to reclaim a lost .odt file for which I have found a PDF. Actually there was series of .odt and .pdf, but I've lost all of them. (Don't ask) but if I can reconstitute one .odt I might be able to derive the others.

Might.

I find it easier to simply create a new document, but perhaps pasting text from the PDF file.

There is a pdf to text converter somewhere.

pdftotext is contained in the package poppler-tools -- Ken Schneider SuSe since Version 5.2, June 1998 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

upscope

24 Jan 24 Jan

23:52

On Thursday, January 23, 2014 04:16:57 PM Ken Schneider - openSUSE wrote:

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On 01/23/2014 03:56 PM, Carlos E. R. pecked at the keyboard and wrote:

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On 2014-01-23 21:09, Anton Aylward wrote:

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On 01/23/2014 03:00 PM, John Andersen wrote:

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However, PDF was never meant to be an editable storage medium.

I have no wish to edit a PDF!

I'm trying to reclaim a lost .odt file for which I have found a PDF. Actually there was series of .odt and .pdf, but I've lost all of them. (Don't ask) but if I can reconstitute one .odt I might be able to derive the others.

Might.

I find it easier to simply create a new document, but perhaps pasting text from the PDF file.

There is a pdf to text converter somewhere.

pdftotext is contained in the package poppler-tools Also can save as text from Okular if your using KDE. Russ -- openSUSE 13.1(Linux 3.11.6-4-desktop x86_64| Intel(R) Quad Core(TM) i5-4440 CPU @ 3.10GHz|8GB DDR3| GeForce 8400GS (NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-331.38)|KDE 4.12.1

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upscope

25 Jan 25 Jan

00:00

On Friday, January 24, 2014 03:52:26 PM upscope wrote:

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On Thursday, January 23, 2014 04:16:57 PM Ken Schneider - openSUSE

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On 01/23/2014 03:56 PM, Carlos E. R. pecked at the keyboard and wrote:

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On 2014-01-23 21:09, Anton Aylward wrote:

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On 01/23/2014 03:00 PM, John Andersen wrote:

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However, PDF was never meant to be an editable storage medium.

I have no wish to edit a PDF!

I'm trying to reclaim a lost .odt file for which I have found a PDF. Actually there was series of .odt and .pdf, but I've lost all of them. (Don't ask) but if I can reconstitute one .odt I might be able to derive the others.

Might.

I find it easier to simply create a new document, but perhaps pasting text from the PDF file.

There is a pdf to text converter somewhere.

pdftotext is contained in the package poppler-tools

Also can save as text from Okular if your using KDE. Russ Forgot it is under File --> Export

I used it yesterday, only you have to sometimes play with the text. sequence if graphics are in the document. I pasted a multi page document this was from the saved text to LO writer. -- openSUSE 13.1(Linux 3.11.6-4-desktop x86_64| Intel(R) Quad Core(TM) i5-4440 CPU @ 3.10GHz|8GB DDR3| GeForce 8400GS (NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-331.38)|KDE 4.12.1 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Ken Schneider - openSUSE

03:53

On 01/24/2014 06:52 PM, upscope pecked at the keyboard and wrote:

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On Thursday, January 23, 2014 04:16:57 PM Ken Schneider - openSUSE wrote:

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On 01/23/2014 03:56 PM, Carlos E. R. pecked at the keyboard and wrote:

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On 2014-01-23 21:09, Anton Aylward wrote:

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On 01/23/2014 03:00 PM, John Andersen wrote:

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However, PDF was never meant to be an editable storage medium.

I have no wish to edit a PDF!

I'm trying to reclaim a lost .odt file for which I have found a PDF. Actually there was series of .odt and .pdf, but I've lost all of them. (Don't ask) but if I can reconstitute one .odt I might be able to derive the others.

Might.

I find it easier to simply create a new document, but perhaps pasting text from the PDF file.

There is a pdf to text converter somewhere.

pdftotext is contained in the package poppler-tools Also can save as text from Okular if your using KDE. Russ

Correction, it is export as text from within Ocular. -- Ken Schneider SuSe since Version 5.2, June 1998 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Anton Aylward

23 Jan 23 Jan

21:12

On 01/23/2014 03:00 PM, John Andersen wrote:

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google pdf to odt

It is a service on the web, zamzar.com and about 29 similar others. (I wouldn't send anything private to these), and there are other options as well that google will reveal.

Thank you for that. It was useful, to a point. All the test is there, not all in the right place, but that can be dealt with .... such as making the headers and footers into headers and footers :-) But one problem: the conversion has inserted 'manual column breaks" all over the place and I can't figure out how to remove them. -- And don't tell me there isn't one bit of difference between null and space, because that's exactly how much difference there is. -- Larry Wall -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Carlos E. R.

20:08

On 2014-01-23 20:00, Anton Aylward wrote:

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On 01/23/2014 12:32 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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OK, done that. What I get is an image. Each line of text is a separate image thing. So if I were to compose a document with -writer and export as a PDF then import, what it imports into is -draw. I can edit it as a drawing, a picture, but not as a text.

Correct. Sometimes you can, but a single line at a time, at best.

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Is there no way I can get the PDF back into the -writer?

Yes. Use the original source file that was used to create the initial PDF. No kidding. Notice that when creating a PDF from LO, there is a tickbox to "embded OpenDocument file". This makes it easier to edit the PDF - because the original source file is included. In fact, both are distributed. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 12.3 x86_64 "Dartmouth" at Telcontar)

Anton Aylward

20:10

On 01/23/2014 03:08 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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Is there no way I can get the PDF back into the -writer? Yes. Use the original source file that was used to create the initial PDF.

No kidding.

Notice that when creating a PDF from LO, there is a tickbox to "embded OpenDocument file". This makes it easier to edit the PDF - because the original source file is included. In fact, both are distributed.

That's useful, but I don't know if I used it when generating the PDF. How would I find out? -- Clear the battlefield and let me see All the profit from our victory. You talk of freedom, starving children poor. Are you deaf when you hear the season's call? Were you there to watch the earth be scorched? Did you stand beside the spectral torch? Know the leaves of sorrow turned their face, Scattered on the ashes of disgrace. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Carlos E. R.

20:53

On 2014-01-23 21:10, Anton Aylward wrote:

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That's useful, but I don't know if I used it when generating the PDF. How would I find out?

Because editing would be easier, I guess. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 12.3 x86_64 "Dartmouth" at Telcontar)

C

24 Jan 24 Jan

06:26

On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 8:00 PM, Anton Aylward wrote:

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OK, done that. What I get is an image. Each line of text is a separate image thing. So if I were to compose a document with -writer and export as a PDF then import, what it imports into is -draw. I can edit it as a drawing, a picture, but not as a text.

If I were to compose as a proper graphic, and here my experience with with InkScape rather than -draw, then the text boxes flow, they are not the disjointed things like this.

Is there no way I can get the PDF back into the -writer?

Maybe hand editing is doable for a one page document but not for some of the longer ones.

All this discussion and no one mentions the Hybrid PDF option? Assuming you are the one creating your documents, drawings etc., and exporting to PDF, add a check next to "Embed OpenDocument file" when you create your PDF. Presto magic, next time you open the PDF with LibreOffice, you can edit and work on the original document used to create the PDF. This doesn't help with 3rd party PDFs, but it works perfectly for your own documents. C -- openSUSE 13.1 x86_64, KDE 4.11 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

John Andersen

06:31

C wrote:

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OK, done that. What I get is an image. Each line of text is a separate image thing. So if I were to compose a document with -writer and export as a PDF

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import, what it imports into is -draw. I can edit it as a drawing, a picture, but not as a text.

If I were to compose as a proper graphic, and here my experience with with InkScape rather than -draw, then the text boxes flow, they are not

On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 8:00 PM, Anton Aylward wrote: then the

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disjointed things like this.

Is there no way I can get the PDF back into the -writer?

Maybe hand editing is doable for a one page document but not for some of the longer ones.

All this discussion and no one mentions the Hybrid PDF option?

Assuming you are the one creating your documents, drawings etc., and exporting to PDF, add a check next to "Embed OpenDocument file" when you create your PDF. Presto magic, next time you open the PDF with LibreOffice, you can edit and work on the original document used to create the PDF.

This doesn't help with 3rd party PDFs, but it works perfectly for your own documents.

C

How does that possibly help a man recover files from PDFs created a long time ago? -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

C

07:18

On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 7:31 AM, John Andersen wrote:

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C wrote:

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OK, done that. What I get is an image. Each line of text is a separate image thing. So if I were to compose a document with -writer and export as a PDF

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import, what it imports into is -draw. I can edit it as a drawing, a picture, but not as a text.

If I were to compose as a proper graphic, and here my experience with with InkScape rather than -draw, then the text boxes flow, they are not

On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 8:00 PM, Anton Aylward wrote: then the

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disjointed things like this.

Is there no way I can get the PDF back into the -writer?

Maybe hand editing is doable for a one page document but not for some of the longer ones.

All this discussion and no one mentions the Hybrid PDF option?

Assuming you are the one creating your documents, drawings etc., and exporting to PDF, add a check next to "Embed OpenDocument file" when you create your PDF. Presto magic, next time you open the PDF with LibreOffice, you can edit and work on the original document used to create the PDF.

This doesn't help with 3rd party PDFs, but it works perfectly for your own documents.

How does that possibly help a man recover files from PDFs created a long time ago?

Let me quote what I said:

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This doesn't help with 3rd party PDFs, but it works perfectly for your own documents.

And from Anton....

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So if I were to compose a document with -writer and export as a PDF then import, what it imports into is -draw. I can edit it as a drawing, a picture, but not as a text.

Seems like it answers at least this question/scenario... C. -- openSUSE 13.1 x86_64, KDE 4.11 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Werner Flamme

10:43

C [24.01.2014 08:18]:

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On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 7:31 AM, John Andersen wrote:

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C wrote:

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OK, done that. What I get is an image. Each line of text is a separate image thing. So if I were to compose a document with -writer and export as a PDF

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import, what it imports into is -draw. I can edit it as a drawing, a picture, but not as a text.

If I were to compose as a proper graphic, and here my experience with with InkScape rather than -draw, then the text boxes flow, they are not

On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 8:00 PM, Anton Aylward wrote: then the

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disjointed things like this.

Is there no way I can get the PDF back into the -writer?

Maybe hand editing is doable for a one page document but not for some of the longer ones.

All this discussion and no one mentions the Hybrid PDF option?

Assuming you are the one creating your documents, drawings etc., and exporting to PDF, add a check next to "Embed OpenDocument file" when you create your PDF. Presto magic, next time you open the PDF with LibreOffice, you can edit and work on the original document used to create the PDF.

This doesn't help with 3rd party PDFs, but it works perfectly for your own documents.

How does that possibly help a man recover files from PDFs created a long time ago?

Let me quote what I said:

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This doesn't help with 3rd party PDFs, but it works perfectly for your own documents.

And from Anton....

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So if I were to compose a document with -writer and export as a PDF then import, what it imports into is -draw. I can edit it as a drawing, a picture, but not as a text.

Seems like it answers at least this question/scenario...

C.

C., pardon, but I do not understand this. Anton, the OP, asked how he could re-extract text from an old PDF, because he lost the original document (in Message-ID: <52E176EC.8080405@antonaylward.com>). Now there is an answer that, in the case you enable a certain option when exporting the PDF, you get an embedded editable document inside the PDF. I still do not see how this answer may work with the old PDFs, where he might not have the check mark set. However, if it is only one PDF, I'd try good ole KPDF from KDE3, where you have the possibility to mark rectangular areas in the PDF and copy the content as text into the cliboard. The line breaks are copied as well, so after pasting into a new file reformatting might be needed, but at least you get the text. Werner -- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Anton Aylward

12:27

On 01/24/2014 02:18 AM, C wrote:

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How does that possibly help a man recover files from PDFs created a long time ago?

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Let me quote what I said:

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This doesn't help with 3rd party PDFs, but it works perfectly for your own documents.

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And from Anton....

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>So if I were to compose a document with -writer and export as a PDF >then >import, what it imports into is -draw. I can edit it as a drawing, a >picture, but not as a text.

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Seems like it answers at least this question/scenario...

NOT! The "long time ago" applies. John is correct. Now I am aware of this I'll make use of it, but the documents I am dealing with were not created in this manner. -- Passive acceptance of the teacher's wisdom is easy to most boys and girls. It involves no effort of independent thought, and seems rational because the teacher knows more than his pupils; it is moreover the way to win the favour of the teacher unless he is a very exceptional man. Yet the habit of passive acceptance is a disastrous one in later life. It causes man to seek and to accept a leader, and to accept as a leader whoever is established in that position. Bertrand Russell (1872 - 1970) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

C

12:34

On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 1:27 PM, Anton Aylward wrote:

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On 01/24/2014 02:18 AM, C wrote:

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How does that possibly help a man recover files from PDFs created a long time ago?

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Let me quote what I said:

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This doesn't help with 3rd party PDFs, but it works perfectly for your own documents.

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And from Anton....

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>>So if I were to compose a document with -writer and export as a PDF >>then >>import, what it imports into is -draw. I can edit it as a drawing, >> a >>picture, but not as a text.

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Seems like it answers at least this question/scenario...

NOT! The "long time ago" applies. John is correct. Now I am aware of this I'll make use of it, but the documents I am dealing with were not created in this manner.

Ok, I'll shut up... you can all return to your previous conversation. Enjoy. C. -- openSUSE 13.1 x86_64, KDE 4.11 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Carlos E. R.

09:28

On 2014-01-24 07:26, C wrote:

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All this discussion and no one mentions the Hybrid PDF option?

I did. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 12.3 x86_64 "Dartmouth" at Telcontar)

C

09:33

On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 10:28 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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On 2014-01-24 07:26, C wrote:

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All this discussion and no one mentions the Hybrid PDF option?

I did.

Ooops, apologies. I looked back in the thread and I see it now - I missed it on the first poke through the thread. The Hybrid PDF is a great option if you're the one creating the PDF. I use it all the time. I find that few people seem to know it exists. C. -- openSUSE 13.1 x86_64, KDE 4.11 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Carlos E. R.

10:38

On 2014-01-24 10:33, C wrote:

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On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 10:28 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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On 2014-01-24 07:26, C wrote:

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All this discussion and no one mentions the Hybrid PDF option?

I did.

Ooops, apologies. I looked back in the thread and I see it now - I missed it on the first poke through the thread.

I did not know the name, though.

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The Hybrid PDF is a great option if you're the one creating the PDF. I use it all the time. I find that few people seem to know it exists.

I found about that feature very recently. I do not use it, if I send an PDF it is because I don't want it edited. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 12.3 x86_64 "Dartmouth" at Telcontar)

Anton Aylward

12:37

On 01/24/2014 05:38 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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The Hybrid PDF is a great option if you're the one creating the PDF. I use it all the time. I find that few people seem to know it exists.

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I found about that feature very recently. I do not use it, if I send an PDF it is because I don't want it edited.

There is that! However one might assume in many cases that the recipients are not technically sophisticated enough to do this. As an example, I've sent PDF versions of resumes to head-hunters I've had little or no contact with in the past and have no reason to trust that they won't alter them. Why? Because when I have sent MS-Word formatted ones some HHs *have* altered them! Never the less, some of them have come back to me with "What do I do with this file" in reaction to being sent a PDF. Same when I've sent html documents. They can deal with GIFs and and .DOC, some but not all call can deal with .docx. You'd think their email readers or webmail readers would cope, but it seems some use obscure tools. One I dealt with never read the documents, just fed them into some HH-specific software that scanned the content and stuck it in a database, scanning for keywords and making it referable from a database search. *THAT* one cold handle .doc but not .docx. Its one thing to be able to use 'power tools' to accelerate your work, its another when you turn off your brain and let your tools do your thinking for you. -- "The capacity to learn is a gift; The ability to learn is a skill; The willingness to learn is a choice." -- Brain Herbert, -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Carlos E. R.

13:16

On 2014-01-24 13:37, Anton Aylward wrote:

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On 01/24/2014 05:38 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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I found about that feature very recently. I do not use it, if I send an PDF it is because I don't want it edited.

There is that! However one might assume in many cases that the recipients are not technically sophisticated enough to do this.

As an example, I've sent PDF versions of resumes to head-hunters I've had little or no contact with in the past and have no reason to trust that they won't alter them. Why? Because when I have sent MS-Word formatted ones some HHs *have* altered them!

That's so.

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Never the less, some of them have come back to me with "What do I do with this file" in reaction to being sent a PDF. Same when I've sent html documents.

If they don't know how to open a PDF file, I would reconsider wanting to work for them. They are computer illiterate.

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They can deal with GIFs and and .DOC, some but not all call can deal with .docx.

You'd think their email readers or webmail readers would cope, but it seems some use obscure tools. One I dealt with never read the documents, just fed them into some HH-specific software that scanned the content and stuck it in a database, scanning for keywords and making it referable from a database search. *THAT* one cold handle .doc but not .docx.

.docx I can understand they don't handle.

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Its one thing to be able to use 'power tools' to accelerate your work, its another when you turn off your brain and let your tools do your thinking for you.

:-) -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 12.3 x86_64 "Dartmouth" at Telcontar)

lynn

13:31

On Fri, 2014-01-24 at 14:16 +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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If they don't know how to open a PDF file, I would reconsider wanting to work for them. They are computer illiterate.

No, no. On the contrary. The more computer illiterate they are then the more they pay you. They think you're amazing because you know how to open a .pdf for example. They'll pay you dearly for that. It's easy money. L x -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Carlos E. R.

13:40

On 2014-01-24 14:31, lynn wrote:

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On Fri, 2014-01-24 at 14:16 +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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If they don't know how to open a PDF file, I would reconsider wanting to work for them. They are computer illiterate.

No, no. On the contrary. The more computer illiterate they are then the more they pay you. They think you're amazing because you know how to open a .pdf for example. They'll pay you dearly for that. It's easy money.

Sigh... you have a point there. :-) However, it may result that the entire company is pesting you with "trifles", to the point where you can not do the job you are supposedly paid for. Once I was supposed to do programming, but I also had to solve word processing issues, printer issues, etc, for the rest of the people. Correction, those people not "down below" in the labs. :-) Makes for a change and distraction, yes... maybe too much so. It becomes a problem when the boss does not understand why you take so much time to "trivially" change the software programming. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 12.3 x86_64 "Dartmouth" at Telcontar)

lynn

15:03

On Fri, 2014-01-24 at 14:40 +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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On 2014-01-24 14:31, lynn wrote:

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On Fri, 2014-01-24 at 14:16 +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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If they don't know how to open a PDF file, I would reconsider wanting to work for them. They are computer illiterate.

No, no. On the contrary. The more computer illiterate they are then the more they pay you. They think you're amazing because you know how to open a .pdf for example. They'll pay you dearly for that. It's easy money.

Sigh... you have a point there. :-)

However, it may result that the entire company is pesting you with "trifles", to the point where you can not do the job you are supposedly paid for.

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Once I was supposed to do programming, but I also had to solve word processing issues, printer issues, etc, for the rest of the people. Correction, those people not "down below" in the labs. :-)

Yes, because you know how to get bold and they don't. And unblock the printer. And get that file from their laptop. They should pay you extra for that.

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Makes for a change and distraction, yes... maybe too much so. It becomes a problem when the boss does not understand why you take so much time to "trivially" change the software programming.

Be your own instead. Leave the company and take on the 'trifles'. Programming in a company is hard work. L x -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Carlos E. R.

25 Jan 25 Jan

02:04

On 2014-01-24 16:03, lynn wrote:

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On Fri, 2014-01-24 at 14:40 +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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Be your own instead. Leave the company and take on the 'trifles'. Programming in a company is hard work.

ROTFL! X'-) -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 12.3 x86_64 "Dartmouth" at Telcontar)

Carlos E. R.

03:13

On 2014-01-25 03:04, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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On 2014-01-24 16:03, lynn wrote:

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On Fri, 2014-01-24 at 14:40 +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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Be your own instead. Leave the company and take on the 'trifles'. Programming in a company is hard work.

ROTFL! X'-)

If you read Spanish, search for this document: Pringao Howto (o Windows-es-fácil-Howto) Suggest: http://www.sromero.org/wiki/linux/sistema/pringao_howto http://laurel.datsi.fi.upm.es/~ssoo/IG/download/Pringao_Howto.html I believe there are versions on other languages. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 12.3 x86_64 "Dartmouth" at Telcontar)

Anton Aylward

24 Jan 24 Jan

14:31

On 01/24/2014 08:16 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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If they don't know how to open a PDF file, I would reconsider wanting to work for them. They are computer illiterate.

You don't work for head-hunters. They are just 'agents' that hook you up with the people you do work for. -- All generalizations are false. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

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