On Thursday 06 October 2005 2:38 pm, Bruce Smith wrote:

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* 10.0-OSS - the Open Source (OSS) version (available from ftp.opensuse.org http://ftp.opensuse.org and its mirrors):

* 10.0 - the retail and Eval versions including some non-OSS software

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(available from ftp.suse.com http://ftp.suse.com and its mirrors):

Can you explain the differences between the two, and how they differ from the boxed-set/purchased version, while you're at it?

Also, how does the "EVAL" version fit?

If Novell/Suse actually belive in open source, then there should be just two versions: one with some closed source added (acroread etc) and one completely open source. Otherwise the method of delivery and support levels should make no difference to the version. So whether we buy a boxed Suse 10.0 with support or download the CDs/DVDs the bytes (MD5) should be identical. Clearly the actual difference would be whether we got the added value services such as dead trees or phone support. -- Simon Dales, Software Consultant "The impossible is easy"

On Thursday 06 October 2005 4:10 pm, Carl-Daniel Hailfinger wrote:

Simon Dales schrieb:

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On Thursday 06 October 2005 2:38 pm, Bruce Smith wrote:

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>* 10.0-OSS - the Open Source (OSS) version (available from

ftp.opensuse.org http://ftp.opensuse.org and its mirrors):

* 10.0 - the retail and Eval versions including some non-OSS software

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(available from ftp.suse.com http://ftp.suse.com and its mirrors):

Can you explain the differences between the two, and how they differ from the boxed-set/purchased version, while you're at it?

Also, how does the "EVAL" version fit?

If Novell/Suse actually belive in open source, then there should be just two versions: one with some closed source added (acroread etc) and one completely open source. Otherwise the method of delivery and support levels should make no difference to the version.

Did I understand you correctly: "If Novell/SUSE believe in open source, they will limit our choice"?

No, what I meant is that the boxed version, as I understand it, has some closed source/commercial software, such as acroread. A true OSS version would exclude these items. What I object to is "eval" versions. What we want is a choice of fully open source and OSS + some commercal.

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So whether we buy a boxed Suse 10.0 with support or download the CDs/DVDs the bytes (MD5) should be identical. Clearly the actual difference would be whether we got the added value services such as dead trees or phone support.

The RPMs are binary identical. So what exactly is your problem?

But before you get to see the RPMs you need to pick a set of ISOs to download. A dowload such as "fred-10.0-Eval-CD1.iso" leads one to suspect that even more has been removed than may actually have been. So clarity in naming would be a good idea. E.g. "fred-10.0-OSS-CD1.iso" and "fred-10.0-OSS-with -commercial-CD1.iso" -- Simon Dales, Software Consultant "The impossible is easy"

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SUSE Linux SUSE Linux OSS

SUSE Linux is the version you buy at the store (or you download the eval version of it from novell.com http://novell.com)

What is the difference between the store version and the eval version? Are they identical, or does the store version have addition software? (what?) - BS

On this page: http://www.novell.com/products/suselinux/downloads/ftp/eval.html#europe The link to the torrent file has a comma instead of a period: javascript:openExternal('http://ftp.suse,com/pub/suse/i386/10.0/iso')

Bruce Smith wrote:

What is the difference between the store version and the eval version? Are they identical, or does the store version have addition software?

in the past, cd/dvd eval version could not be installed on the hard drive. Before Novell version could write config to hd and could so have a limited daily use, Novell's one could not and so was of limited interest. It must also be noted that the OSS version cannot be delivered with box. People not able to dowload for lack of bandwith must use a friend... or buy the box. however third party company may write cd/dvd from OSS version and give then for fee (probably a good idea) jdd -- pour m'écrire, aller sur: http://www.dodin.net http://valerie.dodin.net http://arvamip.free.fr

Marcus Meissner escribió:

"eval" in this regard does not really limit, so perhaps it is misnamed.

yes Marcus, naming is very confusing .. please consider a modification for future releases.

On Thu, Oct 06, 2005 at 10:04:22PM +0100, Marcus Cooper wrote:

right there are officially too many Marcuses and Andreases on this list.

And no I have no idea what the proper spelling for a pural of either of them are.

Virus - Virrii Marcus - Marccii Box - Boxen Andreas - Andreasen ;-) houghi -- Quote correct (NL) http://www.briachons.org/art/quote/ Zitiere richtig (DE) http://www.afaik.de/usenet/faq/zitieren Quote correctly (EN) http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html

On 06/10/05, Johannes Kastl wrote:

I wondered cause:

When I want to reply on a mail from the opensuse list I only have to press reply, cause the Headers are "rewritten" by the mailinglist-software so that they contain a REPLY-TO: Header. I missed that one on the announce list.

And cos you cant write to the announce-list it would be good to add a REPLY-TO-header towards opensuse@opensuse.org

I hope you can understand what I wanted to say.

OJ

I think it might just be Andreas' email as I had the same problem when I replied to an email of his in the opensuse mailing list. Or as we both use gmail it could be at our end. Or indeed I could have missed the point entirely have fun Marcus -- Photos : www.flickr.com/photos/marcusc Blog : marcusbrain.blogspot.com `The music business is a cruel and shallow money trench, a long plastic hallway where thieves and pimps run free, and good men die like dogs. There's also a negative side.' HST

On 10/6/2005 4:11 PM Marcus Cooper wrote:

I think it might just be Andreas' email as I had the same problem when I replied to an email of his in the opensuse mailing list.

No, in announce sometimes Andreas has set the REPLY-TO himself, and sometimes he has just forgotten ;-)

Or as we both use gmail it could be at our end.

Do you get your mails that you send to the list? I dont get any, just the ones other people send.

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On 10/7/2005 1:37 AM houghi wrote:

That is a problem in Google that has been discussed earlier. IIRC, also a solution was given.

I started a thread about that some time ago, but that ended without a solution (except not using gmail ;-). OJ -- `But he knows your dad was right all along now about Voldemort being back -? `Dumbledore says people find it far easier to forgive others for being wrong than being right,?said Hermione. (Ron and Hermione in Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince)

Hi Christian, Christian Boltz wrote :

I'd vote for removing the Reply-To: set to the list. Comments?

I second your opinion, because every "good (tm)" eMail-programm should be able to detect Mailing-Listheaders and does have functions for Reply, Reply to Author and Reply to List without further configuration. We could easily set up a usage policy like MSFT does ;-) "We do use things in our software which are working best with our programs. If you want to use these features, please switch to a MSFT program". Using this scenario we should think about the abilities most other software has and tough luck for those MSFT software which can't work with these things :-D bis dahin/kind regards Martin Mewes -- Webmin Translation Team -> http://webmin.mamemu.de/ Translators wanted -> translations@webmin.com Mailinglist mboxes -> http://mbox.mewes.tv/mbox/

Johannes Kastl schrieb:

On 10/6/2005 7:48 PM Christian Boltz wrote:

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Yes - unfortunately most opensuse lists have the Reply-To: set to the list adress :-(

It is the most that annoys me ;-) If all lists set the REPLY-TO, it would be ok, and if all do not set it, ok. But this is just inconsistent.

I'm all for Reply-To headers. Especially on mailing lists where newbies ask questions. In my experience, they tend to take futher discussion offline after someone answers their mail to the list. People searching the archives will never know the solution and the unfortunate person sending the first reply is going to support the original poster for the rest of his life (ok, that's a bit exaggerated).

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On a first look, you may think it makes it easier to reply to the list. However, you could have the same functionality using your mail client's "list-reply" feature. Is clicking another button harder? IMHO not.

*schluchz* Im waiting for the time the guys at Mozilla/SM put in the button, the bug is quite old now. So, it actually _is_ hard to click that button. ;-)

Same for me. However, I have accepted that getting features into Mozilla is as easy as sucking concrete through a straw even if there is a four-line patch since years in the bug to give you that feature. So I'm very thankful for every patch SUSE includes in their mozilla.org software (especially Enigmail). On a side note: Is there any mail client similar to Mozilla Mail which supports SOCKS, Reply-To-List, PGP/MIME and is not QT- or Mono-based? Regards, Carl-Daniel

Carl-Daniel Hailfinger wrote:

I'm all for Reply-To headers. Especially on mailing lists where newbies ask questions. In my experience, they tend to take futher discussion offline after someone answers their mail to the list. People searching the archives will never know the solution and the unfortunate person sending the first reply is going to support the original poster for the rest of his life (ok, that's a bit exaggerated).

I'm totally with Carl on this subject. I do have got a list of clients [1] which are "standard" complaint about this problem, but for people like me dual booting, or just liking the mozilla's free stuff unfortunately there's no solution ... even the "display mailing list header" [2] isn't helpful. [1]http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ReplyToListEmailClients [2] http://www.cweiske.de/misc_extensions.htm#mailinglistheader

On a side note: Is there any mail client similar to Mozilla Mail which supports SOCKS, Reply-To-List, PGP/MIME and is not QT- or Mono-based?

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