[opensuse] Re: 10.0 freezes after the latest xorg updates

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Joachim Schrod

8 May 2007 8 May '07

18:37

Sunny wrote:

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On 5/7/07, M Harris wrote:

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On Monday 07 May 2007 21:25, Sunny wrote:

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After the latest xorg updates my 10.0 x86_64 machine started to freeze after an hour or so work. I have tested the memory and other components, and everything looks OK. If I leave the machine in runlevel 3, it does not freeze. Does the machine lock? --tight loop --?

When it "freezes" can you ctl-alt-F1 and get to a console?

When if freezes can you ping it? can you ssh to it?

I can hardly believe that this is an xorg problem... no way. You have a memory or HD issue there... I suspect.

Hardlock - no console, no net, no ssh, nothing. Completely dead. Memory tested for 24 hours with memtest - OK. HDDs tested with their manufacturers diagnostic tools (full test) - OK.

After the problems started, I updated the nvidia driver, no change.

So, did you try to downgrade the xorg packages? You can get the previous versions from the update archives, e.g., from ftp://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/linux/suse/ftp.suse.com/suse/x86_64/update/10.0/rpm/x86_64/ You'll probably need to downgrade xorg-x11-libs and xorg-x11-server. (I can't say it exactly, since I don't have a x86_64 system -- but on my i586 system these were the recent xorg updates.) That should give you an opportunity to verify your hypothesis that your problem is cause by the xorg update. Joachim -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Joachim Schrod Email: jschrod@acm.org Roedermark, Germany -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

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Sunny

8 May 8 May

20:15

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On 5/8/07, Joachim Schrod wrote:

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So, did you try to downgrade the xorg packages?

You can get the previous versions from the update archives, e.g., from ftp://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/linux/suse/ftp.suse.com/suse/x86_64/update/10.0/rpm/x86_64/ You'll probably need to downgrade xorg-x11-libs and xorg-x11-server. (I can't say it exactly, since I don't have a x86_64 system -- but on my i586 system these were the recent xorg updates.)

That should give you an opportunity to verify your hypothesis that your problem is cause by the xorg update.

Joachim

Not yet, I'll try when I get home. -- Svetoslav Milenov (Sunny) Even the most advanced equipment in the hands of the ignorant is just a pile of scrap. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Sunny

9 May 9 May

02:22

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On 5/8/07, Joachim Schrod wrote:

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So, did you try to downgrade the xorg packages?

You can get the previous versions from the update archives, e.g., from ftp://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/linux/suse/ftp.suse.com/suse/x86_64/update/10.0/rpm/x86_64/ You'll probably need to downgrade xorg-x11-libs and xorg-x11-server. (I can't say it exactly, since I don't have a x86_64 system -- but on my i586 system these were the recent xorg updates.)

That should give you an opportunity to verify your hypothesis that your problem is cause by the xorg update.

Joachim

Hmmm, there I find only 6.8.2-100, which is what I currently have. I need the previous version. -- Svetoslav Milenov (Sunny) Even the most advanced equipment in the hands of the ignorant is just a pile of scrap. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Carlos E. R.

17:47

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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Tuesday 2007-05-08 at 21:22 -0500, Sunny wrote:

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Hmmm, there I find only 6.8.2-100, which is what I currently have. I need the previous version.

You can try this: rpm -q -a --queryformat "%{INSTALLTIME}\t%{INSTALLTIME:day} \ %{BUILDTIME:day} %-30{NAME}\t%15{VERSION}-%-7{RELEASE} %25{PACKAGER}\n" \ | sort | less -S It will output a list of what you have installed, sorted by date (oldest first). This way you can find what exactly you have recently updated, and going back in the list (inside less you can browse and search backwards with "/") find the exact version of that package that was previously installed, and then find a source for it. As you are using 10.0, that was the last SuSE version that could save downloaded patches for reuse, somewhere under /var/lib/Yast, unless you ticked the box to delete them. If you didn't, it will be simpler to reinstall them from your local copy. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFGQgk5tTMYHG2NR9URAhdRAJ9AOIGxLZdAjI5/NMI6kRkq5pX4jgCeOmZt 8d4+1sxvlAtkgV4o62TdFuY= =nAm5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Sunny

10 May 10 May

03:01

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Thanks for all the help guys. I downgraded and still have the problem :( Also, I found out that if I switch to dual server mode (not xinerama), the problem is even more severe. Also, if I switch to single monitor, it does not freeze at all. The strange thing is that it started to act like this recentrly, and I have bee running this setup for over 3 months now. I updated the nvidia driver yesterday, but I had the problem with the old one for the last few weeks, but not before that. So, I guess it's hardware problem. I'll try to replace the card, and we'll see. Btw, is there any way I turn on a debug mode or something, which may create a log till when it freezes, so at lease I have more info, and may be of any use to xorg developers or even nvidia (if the problem is with the card/driver combo)? -- Svetoslav Milenov (Sunny) Even the most advanced equipment in the hands of the ignorant is just a pile of scrap. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

M Harris

06:06

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On Wednesday 09 May 2007 22:01, Sunny wrote:

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So, I guess it's hardware problem. I'll try to replace the card, and we'll see. ehem... vindicated.

... 99.9% of all intermittent problems are hardware. -- Kind regards, M Harris <>< -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

John Andersen

07:03

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On Wednesday 09 May 2007, M Harris wrote:

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On Wednesday 09 May 2007 22:01, Sunny wrote:

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So, I guess it's hardware problem. I'll try to replace the card, and we'll see.

ehem... vindicated.

... 99.9% of all intermittent problems are hardware.

Ahem.... Not yet. -- _____________________________________ John Andersen -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Matthias Hopf

15 May 15 May

15:13

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On May 09, 07 22:01:21 -0500, Sunny wrote:

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Thanks for all the help guys. I downgraded and still have the problem :(

Hm. This very much looks like hardware.

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Btw, is there any way I turn on a debug mode or something, which may create a log till when it freezes, so at lease I have more info, and may be of any use to xorg developers or even nvidia (if the problem is with the card/driver combo)?

If the system freezes, you have bad luck. Very often the freeze is hard (write lock on the PCIe bus), so even interrupts aren't handled any more. Other than that, having a ssh connection to the system under test and starting X with "X -verbose 9" can help sometimes. Blame the PC architecture for being able to completely lock up on the hardware side. Matthias -- Matthias Hopf __ __ __ Maxfeldstr. 5 / 90409 Nuernberg (_ | | (_ |__ mat@mshopf.de Phone +49-911-74053-715 __) |_| __) |__ R & D www.mshopf.de -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Sunny

15:40

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On 5/15/07, Matthias Hopf wrote:

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On May 09, 07 22:01:21 -0500, Sunny wrote:

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Thanks for all the help guys. I downgraded and still have the problem :(

Hm. This very much looks like hardware.

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Btw, is there any way I turn on a debug mode or something, which may create a log till when it freezes, so at lease I have more info, and may be of any use to xorg developers or even nvidia (if the problem is with the card/driver combo)?

If the system freezes, you have bad luck. Very often the freeze is hard (write lock on the PCIe bus), so even interrupts aren't handled any more. Other than that, having a ssh connection to the system under test and starting X with "X -verbose 9" can help sometimes.

Blame the PC architecture for being able to completely lock up on the hardware side.

Matthias

it really locks hard, nothing works after this happen. no ssh, nothing. Now, I do agree that most probably it is hardware problem, but it behaves very strange. If I turn on machine, go in normal kde login and wokr for lets say an hour, it is going to freeze. I.e. if it stays in X for more than an hour - chances are really high that its going to block. If I just open a text console (Alt-F2), and leave the machine in that state (with all kde stuff not logged out, all the applications started, etc.) it will not freeze. Even after a day, I just hit Alt-F7 and resume my work. I just have to be careful to work for 30 minutes and switch back to text console. That way I can use the machine for a long period of time (untill I forget to watch the time, and it freezes :) ) I have to do this until I wait my replacement video card. I ordered one, and we'll see if this will solve the problem. -- Svetoslav Milenov (Sunny) Even the most advanced equipment in the hands of the ignorant is just a pile of scrap. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

M Harris

16:10

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On Tuesday 15 May 2007 10:40, Sunny wrote:

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it really locks hard, nothing works after this happen. no ssh, nothing. I have another idea for you... I started having this same problem after upgrading my son's video card (radeon X1050) ... after anywhere from 5-30 minutes (init 5) play time... down hard... no panic, nothing... dead. The machine is stable now... what I did was to setup the bios settings differently. I set the APG mode to 4x (down), I reduced the size of the video apature (to 64M) and I turned off "AGP Fastwrite". The system seems stable now... with the 3D driver. You might want to experiment with your bios settings. Don't remember... is your card PCI, AGP, PCI Express?

-- Kind regards, M Harris <>< -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Sunny

16:16

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On 5/15/07, M Harris wrote:

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On Tuesday 15 May 2007 10:40, Sunny wrote:

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it really locks hard, nothing works after this happen. no ssh, nothing. I have another idea for you... I started having this same problem after upgrading my son's video card (radeon X1050) ... after anywhere from 5-30 minutes (init 5) play time... down hard... no panic, nothing... dead. The machine is stable now... what I did was to setup the bios settings differently. I set the APG mode to 4x (down), I reduced the size of the video apature (to 64M) and I turned off "AGP Fastwrite". The system seems stable now... with the 3D driver. You might want to experiment with your bios settings. Don't remember... is your card PCI, AGP, PCI Express?

PCI-Express, GeForce 7200. I'll check to see if I can do something in the bios. I do not hope too much, as this is Compaq machine, and their bios-es are not the most configurable ones. Thanks for the suggestion -- Svetoslav Milenov (Sunny) Even the most advanced equipment in the hands of the ignorant is just a pile of scrap. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Matthias Hopf

16 May 16 May

17:08

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On May 15, 07 11:10:22 -0500, M Harris wrote:

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video apature (to 64M) and I turned off "AGP Fastwrite". The system seems

Yes, you're right. Fastwrite has been the constant source for troubles. Always disable it. Always. Matthias -- Matthias Hopf __ __ __ Maxfeldstr. 5 / 90409 Nuernberg (_ | | (_ |__ mat@mshopf.de Phone +49-911-74053-715 __) |_| __) |__ R & D www.mshopf.de -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

M Harris

18:20

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On Wednesday 16 May 2007 12:08, Matthias Hopf wrote:

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video apature (to 64M) and I turned off "AGP Fastwrite". The system seems

Yes, you're right. Fastwrite has been the constant source for troubles. Always disable it. Always. Well, that being the case... maybe I will experiment with bumping the aparture back up. Thanks for the feedback.

I have always been a little confused about how to set the apature. I am assuming that it is carving a block of system RAM for the video card, to speed things up... so the RAM has to be available in the first place... and, then is that memory "shared" with the system? or not available? I get conflicting answers to this question. The last support guy I talked with at AMD/ATI had no clue... its very frustrating that the manufacturer of the card can not recommend basic default bios settings for optimum performance of the card. Thought I would check The Hardware Bible... -- Kind regards, M Harris <>< -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Carlos E. R.

17 May 17 May

01:03

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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Tuesday 2007-05-15 at 10:40 -0500, Sunny wrote: ...

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If I just open a text console (Alt-F2), and leave the machine in that state (with all kde stuff not logged out, all the applications started, etc.) it will not freeze. Even after a day, I just hit Alt-F7 and resume my work. I just have to be careful to work for 30 minutes and switch back to text console. That way I can use the machine for a long period of time (untill I forget to watch the time, and it freezes :) )

Curious... yet another idea: heat. Excesive heat on the video card. I wonder if at your part of the world the weather is warmer just now? Could be that. Add a small fan near the card; or if it has one, check it for dust and smooth movement. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFGS6nRtTMYHG2NR9URAsF3AJ9P+HTSFb+cp/s3Uqi7FBxTNv1thwCdGK9L NqtVwWddjC1pALo5nIsI1yM= =cNsP -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Sunny

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On 5/16/07, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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The Tuesday 2007-05-15 at 10:40 -0500, Sunny wrote:

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Curious... yet another idea: heat. Excesive heat on the video card.

I wonder if at your part of the world the weather is warmer just now? Could be that. Add a small fan near the card; or if it has one, check it for dust and smooth movement.

- -- Cheers, Carlos E. R.

Hi Carlos, Thanks for the suggestion. I have gkrelm running, and it always shows 61F for the GPU, even when it freezes. I opened the cover, and this did not improve the situation. I'll add another fan, just to be sure :) Cheers -- Svetoslav Milenov (Sunny) Even the most advanced equipment in the hands of the ignorant is just a pile of scrap. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Sunny

14:13

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Btw, I'm looking for a replacement card. Unfortunately, I spent so much time to figure out which card is OK for me, but I'm totally loosing my time in the store's offerings. Most of the time you have to read the descriptions of about 10 cards per store in order to find out if something works for you. Different manufacturers, even using the same chipset, have different outputs and capabilities of the cards. So, can someone recommend a card which satisfies the following requirements: nVidia chipset (GeForce) 2 DVI outputs (DVI + VGA will work, but better 2 DVIs) HD TvOut (not important, may be missing) PCI-E <=100$ The card do not need to be top-notch, this is working machine, not game station :). I just need to use both my monitors, and from time to time to play videos. -- Svetoslav Milenov (Sunny) Even the most advanced equipment in the hands of the ignorant is just a pile of scrap. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

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