Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] New in 5.3
** Reply to note from "Fred A. Miller" <fmiller@lightlink.com> Sun, 26 Jul 1998 00:17:22 -0400
One, they run too hot,
Too hot for what? Isn't this the old canard spread by Intel + sycophant press? My experience is very limited, but I haven't had that prob.
and two, floating point is slower than Intel,
Yes, but if you want FP, don't you buy Alpha?
and three, they don't work on a lot of MOB's.
Wouldn't it be sufficient for them to work on some good ones (e.g., some mobos w Award bios.) Regards, Jep Jep Hill jep@jephill.com - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e
jep@jephill.com wrote:
and two, floating point is slower than Intel,
Yes, but if you want FP, don't you buy Alpha?
Not if you want to run x86 binaries natively. So if the applications that you want to run are native to x86, and floating point performance matters to you, intel processors are clearly superior. x86 emulation on Alpha is not a viable option, and with the combination of: A) intel processors with greater clock speed are released with such frequency that before long Alpha's edge will be history, as will Alpha I'm afraid. I have no faith in Compaq to succeed where Digital couldn't. b) x86 emulation on Alpha now runs 50% of native intel speed, but with faster and faster intels being released that performance gap will soon be more like 25-300f native intel speed, which is unacceptable -- ==================================================================== Michael Lankton <A HREF="http://tasteslikechicken.ml.org"><A HREF="http://tasteslikechicken.ml.org</A">http://tasteslikechicken.ml.org</A</A>> ==================================================================== - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e
jep@jephill.com wrote:
. . . Wouldn't it be sufficient for them to work on some good ones e.g., some mobos w Award bios.) . . .
By chance, I was just searching the SuSE db for "Award" and "Amptron" when your email arrived. SuSE says: "There are known problems with some versions of the Award 4.51 Bios. But also boards and biosses by other manufacturers are affected." BTW, the word "amptron" apparently doesn't exist in their db. Does anyone know if the newer Award BIOSs work ok? I just bought an Amptron 8600C MB with Award BIOS to upgrade my son's 486 win95 machine to a Pentium 233MMX, and I'm tempted to order another to upgrade my aging P133 system. I don't know what BIOS version is on the new MB because I haven't installed it yet, and Amptron's site only refers to the 8600A and B versions so presumably this one is newer (but is it better?). If it at least works for win95 I (and my son) will be happy. Mike - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e
I don't know about the 8600C, but my Amptron 8600B sits in a bottom drawer, unused. I had nothing but problems withit, BOTH in Win95 and 3 different distributions of Linux. I traced the problem not to the bios, but the "VXPro" chipset. I now have switched to ASUS and have no problems. My advice to you is to stay as far away from Amptron as possible. Hope this helps, Preston
-----Original Message----- From: owner-suse-linux-e@suse.com [<A HREF="mailto:owner-suse-linux-e@suse.com]On">mailto:owner-suse-linux-e@suse.com]On</A> Behalf Of Mike McFarlane Sent: Sunday, July 26, 1998 11:55 AM To: suse-linux-e@suse.com Subject: BIOS and MB Stuff (was Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] New in 5.3)
jep@jephill.com wrote:
. . . Wouldn't it be sufficient for them to work on some good ones e.g., some mobos w Award bios.) . . .
By chance, I was just searching the SuSE db for "Award" and "Amptron" when your email arrived. SuSE says: "There are known problems with some versions of the Award 4.51 Bios. But also boards and biosses by other manufacturers are affected." BTW, the word "amptron" apparently doesn't exist in their db.
Does anyone know if the newer Award BIOSs work ok? I just bought an Amptron 8600C MB with Award BIOS to upgrade my son's 486 win95 machine to a Pentium 233MMX, and I'm tempted to order another to upgrade my aging P133 system. I don't know what BIOS version is on the new MB because I haven't installed it yet, and Amptron's site only refers to the 8600A and B versions so presumably this one is newer (but is it better?). If it at least works for win95 I (and my son) will be happy.
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Preston Glidden wrote:
I don't know about the 8600C, but my Amptron 8600B sits in a bottom drawer, unused. I had nothing but problems withit, BOTH in Win95 and 3 different distributions of Linux. I traced the problem not to the bios, but the "VXPro" chipset. I now have switched to ASUS and have no problems.
My advice to you is to stay as far away from Amptron as possible.
Hope this helps, Preston
I don't know about the 8600B but I have a Amptron PM-9600 MB with a AMD K-6 and it works flawlessly for me under SuSE, NT and Windoze. I just flash upgraded the BIOS last week and still no problems. Maybe the 8600C is a problematic board? Don - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e
Donald E. Stidwell wrote:
I don't know about the 8600B but I have a Amptron PM-9600 MB with a AMD K-6 and it works flawlessly for me under SuSE, NT and Windoze. I just flash upgraded the BIOS last week and still no problems. Maybe the 8600C is a problematic board?
Don
I just have one last comment on this thread. I installed the PM-8600C in my son's pc last night and it worked flawlessly running win95. The chipset is a VX2+ which is different than the 8600B. It uses Award BIOS version 4.51PG (April 1998 version). I paid $56 for it brand new, shipping included (bought from onsale.com, shipped from compgeeks.com). I'm happy with it, at least for win95, however, SuSE does say there can be some problems with the Award 4.51 BIOS - to quote from SuSE: <start quote> Symptom: The machine reboots during the installation The machine simply crashes Installing packages with YaST is interrupted and the machine crashes or reboots. Cause: In most cases this is caused by Bios-failures or errors in the plug&play extensions. There are known problems with some versions of the Award 4.51 Bios. But also boards and biosses by other manufacturers are affected. Solution: Try to get and install a bios-update. You can get it from the manufacturer or vendor of your board. <end quote> So the moral of the story seems to be to make sure that you have the latest BIOS installed if you are having any crashing problems. Mike McFarlane - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e
jep@jephill.com wrote:
** Reply to note from "Fred A. Miller" <fmiller@lightlink.com> Sun, 26 Jul 1998 00:17:22 -0400
One, they run too hot,
Too hot for what? Isn't this the old canard spread by Intel + sycophant press? My experience is very limited, but I haven't had that prob.
You're alone.
and two, floating point is slower than Intel,
Yes, but if you want FP, don't you buy Alpha?
No.....haven't needed to so far.
and three, they don't work on a lot of MOB's.
Wouldn't it be sufficient for them to work on some good ones (e.g., some mobos w Award bios.
I don't know of a good MOB that they'll work on, and there's NO advantage to me nor my users at Cornell to warrant use it. Fred -- Fred A. Miller, Systems Administrator Cornell Univ. Press Services fmiller@lightlink.com fm@cupserv.org - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e
On Sun, 26 Jul 1998, Fred A. Miller wrote:
jep@jephill.com wrote:
** Reply to note from "Fred A. Miller" <fmiller@lightlink.com> Sun, 26 Jul 1998 00:17:22 -0400
One, they run too hot,
Too hot for what? Isn't this the old canard spread by Intel + sycophant press? My experience is very limited, but I haven't had that prob.
You're alone.
I don't think he is alone.
and two, floating point is slower than Intel,
Yes, but if you want FP, don't you buy Alpha?
No.....haven't needed to so far.
Intel 200MMX AMD K6-200 BABCo32 NT 227 241 BABCo32 W95 192 203 (source c't 6/97) BABCo is a benchmark with standard application like Excel. (Intel does not like that benchmark very much because it does not reflect the power that Intel CPU's get with the benchmarks made by Intel :-) AMD does not have as much FPU power as Intel that is right but for most user there is no need to spend more money for INTEL CPU's(except SMP but one would buy PII.. and not Pentium).
and three, they don't work on a lot of MOB's.
Wouldn't it be sufficient for them to work on some good ones (e.g., some mobos w Award bios.
I don't know of a good MOB that they'll work on, and there's NO advantage to me nor my users at Cornell to warrant use it.
In earlier postings you told that TYAN would be such nice mainboards and they support AMD CPU's (K6 200). Now I have a problem to understand it. I think it is good to give the personal opinion but one should give facts. Only to say one mainboard is junk does not do it in my opinion. Maybe I only have a problem because I am not used to such postings on linux-smp. I think what they tell you there is that the most important part in these days is the BIOS. FYI I attach the quote from Alan Cox about my TYAN mainboard. Congratulations, send the bill for your hair damage to the supplier. You have yet another SMP box with faulty bios. I respect everyones own opinion but one has to give facts. Only to say they are junk is in my opinion no good style. It is good that you made only good experice with TYAN. Dominik Weis --------------------------------------------------------------------- Recession is when your neighbor loses his job. Depression is when you lose your job. These economic downturns are very difficult to predict, but sophisticated econometric modeling houses like Data Resources and Chase Econometrics have successfully predicted 14 of the last 3 recessions. - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e
Dominik Weis wrote: [snip]
In earlier postings you told that TYAN would be such nice mainboards and they support AMD CPU's (K6 200). Now I have a problem to understand it.
No....Tyan, last I knew, as NOT on AMD's list. My supplier will NOT guarantee anything if you use a K6...period. [snip] I made mention that my response was terse, sorry about that. I was pressed for time to get some things done, my son and his wife with 2 "little ones" they are watching and the dog showed up unexpected because some drugie was holding a hostage in the place behind theirs in Moraiva, NY...to be exact. The cops showed up and said, "leave now!" Plus, there's too much bandwidth about the subject, which really hasn't much to do with SuSE....yeah..I'm as guilty as anyone. Time to get on to other things. Oh yes, they did get the guy.....without bloodshed. I'm taking tomorrow off.<g> Fred -- Fred A. Miller, Systems Administrator Cornell Univ. Press Services fmiller@lightlink.com fm@cupserv.org - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e
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