On Monday 08 May 2006 6:46 pm, Marshall Lake wrote:

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Once again, Novel/SUSE hasn't announced the release and pre-order of SUSE 10.0 on it's web site. It's supposed to start shipping on May 11.....according the person I spoke with at Novel today.

(I assume that should be 10.1 rather than 10.0.)

This announcement makes me raise the question ... for someone who purchased 10.0 and has (auto-) kept up with the updates are there any advantages to purchasing 10.1 ?

In my opinion, yes......nice improvements in graphics, etc. I did find the order site, (although who ever the dunce who does the web pages for Novell has it buried), and ordered 10.1 today. This has been one of the VERY real problems for SUSE for a long time - before being bought by Novell. They've never known how to do marketing nor web pages when announcing a new product. Fred -- Paid purchaser of ALL SuSE Linux releases since 6.x

On Friday 12 May 2006 12:32, Jack Malone wrote:

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In my opinion, yes......nice improvements in graphics, etc. I did find the order site, (although who ever the dunce who does the web pages for Novell has it buried), and ordered 10.1 today. This has been one of the VERY real problems for SUSE for a long time - before being bought by Novell. They've never known how to do marketing nor web pages when announcing a new product.

I too found 10.1 today an have it on order. It was buried like fred says. For a new person looking to get it from Novell they would get discouraged an look for something else if they had to order it from them. I find the novell website very difficult to deal with too.

jack malone Network Administrator EAST TEXAS LIGHTHOUSE FOR THE BLIND dba HORIZON INDUSTRIES 903-595-3444 http://www.horizonind.com What is the URL? -- Russ

On 5/12/06, Russbucket wrote:

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What is the URL?

http://www.novell.com/products/suselinux/pricing_us.html Yes, that is a 10.1 page, but the North American link to Digital River

On Friday 12 May 2006 4:09 pm, Peter Van Lone wrote: points to 10.0. -- Jerry Feldman Boston Linux and Unix user group http://www.blu.org PGP key id:C5061EA9 PGP Key fingerprint:053C 73EC 3AC1 5C44 3E14 9245 FB00 3ED5 C506 1EA9

On 5/12/06, Jerry Feldman wrote:

Yes, that is a 10.1 page, but the North American link to Digital River points to 10.0.

the direct link: http://www.digitalriver.com/dr/v2/ec_Main.Entry17C?SID=27477&SP=10023&CID=0&PID=830297&PN=1&V1=830297&CUR=840&DSP=&PGRP=0&ABCODE=&CACHE_ID=0

Direct English link http://www.digitalriver.com/dr/v2/ec_Main.Entry17C?SID=27477&SP=10023&CID=0&PID=830285&PN=1&V1=830285&CUR=840&DSP=&PGRP=0&ABCODE=&CACHE_ID=0 On Friday 12 May 2006 2:26 pm, Peter Van Lone wrote:

On 5/12/06, Jerry Feldman wrote:

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Yes, that is a 10.1 page, but the North American link to Digital River points to 10.0.

the direct link:

http://www.digitalriver.com/dr/v2/ec_Main.Entry17C?SID=27477&SP=10023&CID=0&PID=830297&PN=1&V1=830297&CUR=840&DSP=&PGRP=0&ABCODE=&CACHE_ID=0

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On Friday 12 May 2006 16:26, Peter Van Lone wrote:

On 5/12/06, Jerry Feldman wrote:

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Yes, that is a 10.1 page, but the North American link to Digital River points to 10.0.

the direct link:

http://www.digitalriver.com/dr/v2/ec_Main.Entry17C?SID=27477&SP=10023&CI D=0&PID=830297&PN=1&V1=830297&CUR=840&DSP=&PGRP=0&ABCODE=&CACHE_ID=0

Holy Mackerel! I just ordered mine (ten days later) and they STILL have it buried like they are ashamed of 10.1. I don't understand. If they want to dissuade people from buying it, why do they offer free shipping? It amazes me that the Novel site in general, and anything to do with SUSE in particular, is so obscure. Don't they ever try to navigate their own site? Don't they ever test it on "naive users"? Don't they ever read forums and public lists to see what real people are saying about the site? Kevin

Jerry Westrick wrote:

Unfortunately they actually received several awards for web-design for that crap...

do they really??? may be never update the site after that :-) jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://dodin.org/galerie_photo_web/expo/index.html http://lucien.dodin.net http://fr.susewiki.org/index.php?title=Gérer_ses_photos

Jerry Feldman wrote:

On Friday 12 May 2006 4:09 pm, Peter Van Lone wrote:

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On 5/12/06, Russbucket wrote:

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What is the URL?

http://www.novell.com/products/suselinux/pricing_us.html

Yes, that is a 10.1 page, but the North American link to Digital River points to 10.0.

Yep, and apart from that the wording also states that if one lives in, say, Asia you have to click on the button for Europe but when you get there there are no entries for any Asia locations. In typical Novell manner, the webpage is one big damn mess. Whoever "maintains" (for want of a better word) the site should have a rocket shoved up his/her rectum and set off. Cheers. -- I love work. I can sit and watch it for hours.

On Friday 12 May 2006 04:09 pm, Peter Van Lone wrote:

On 5/12/06, Russbucket wrote:

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What is the URL?

http://www.novell.com/products/suselinux/pricing_us.html

On this page, which does state it is for 10.1, when I click this link: If you would like to order SUSE Linux and you reside in North America, click here. It takes me to 10.0! How long has 10.1 been out and their site is still messed up! Bryan *************************************** Powered by Mepis Linux 3.4-3 KDE 3.5.2 KMail 1.8.3 This is a Microsoft-free computer Bryan S. Tyson bryantyson@earthlink.net ***************************************

into electronic streams flowing thru the cosmos On Friday 12 May 2006 4:05 pm, Russbucket wrote:

On Friday 12 May 2006 12:32, Jack Malone wrote:

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In my opinion, yes......nice improvements in graphics, etc. I did find the order site, (although who ever the dunce who does the web pages for Novell has it buried), and ordered 10.1 today. This has been one of the VERY real problems for SUSE for a long time - before being bought by Novell. They've never known how to do marketing nor web pages when announcing a new product.

I too found 10.1 today an have it on order. It was buried like fred says. For a new person looking to get it from Novell they would get discouraged an look for something else if they had to order it from them. I find the novell website very difficult to deal with too.

<snip> Yup, good old Digital River strikes again.. I had hoped Novell would get a company to do this type of thing other than them. ( Digital River) As long as I can remember getting an order, much less a pre order page that works as one assumes it would be intended has been an a way to check one's sanity or the control one might have which keeps one from screaming and throwing anything to hand !

Novell's own pages aren't exactly pretty to see, but they do , usually, do the job , you get whatever information you expect.. excluding the recent mislabelling of the link to order the 10.1 box. ( as 10.0 , in the event they have fixed the link label by now) -- j "There's a woman goin' crazy on Caroline Street Stoppin' every man that she does meet Sayin' if you'll be gentle if you'll be sweet I'll show you my place on Caroline Street" Song lyric

A Tome wrote:

On 5/12/06, Jack Malone wrote:

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I too found 10.1 today an have it on order. It was buried like fred says. For a new person looking to get it from Novell they would get discouraged an look for something else if they had to order it from them. I find the novell website very difficult to deal with too.

You were luck, or you live in a "right" place! I've tried to buy the 10.0 from Novel and I was not able to do so. Now i'm trying to pre order 10.1 and i'm still unable to do so. I've got the same message I got in the case of 10.0 order

The shipping location you selected in the shopping basket does not match the shipping address you entered in your order.

Please return to the shopping basket and select your location and appropriate shipping method to continue with your order.

(Error Number: 30016054 - 0)

I' ve checked and rechecked my order I've done the same inumerous times for 10.0 I keep getting this same error.

Make sure that you answer ALL Qs when ordering - the one about your Location is the one to watch out for where you are asked about where youlocated and where you want the package to be delivered. READ carefully what comes up on the screen - the way the wording is in that order form from Rivers is abysmal but you CAN get thru it if you pay attention and use some obtuse logic. Also, if you are paying by Mastercard, say, you have to specify your PASSWORD which you now have to use to access your M/Card for online purchases and if you don't have this password then you have to login to your bank's site and setup this password (or ring them up and they will walk you thru on how to do it online). Cheers. -- I love work. I can sit and watch it for hours.