Hi, After last night's update (Tumbleweed), Chromium starts every now and then, and Firefox works in the sense that chickens fly and horses swim. Which means I can't get any work done on my OpenSUSE workstation. Now what ? Niki -- Microlinux - Solutions informatiques durables 7, place de l'église - 30730 Montpezat Site : https://www.microlinux.fr Blog : https://blog.microlinux.fr Mail : info@microlinux.fr Tél. : 04 66 63 10 32 Mob. : 06 51 80 12 12
Nicolas Kovacs composed on 2022-10-01 18:16 (UTC+0200):
After last night's update (Tumbleweed), Chromium starts every now and then, and Firefox works in the sense that chickens fly and horses swim.
Which means I can't get any work done on my OpenSUSE workstation.
Now what ?
Try Firefox or firefox-esr from http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/firefox/releases/ Chromium 105.0.5195.127 is working normally on 15.4 here. -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata
* Nicolas Kovacs <info@microlinux.fr> [10-01-22 12:19]:
Hi,
After last night's update (Tumbleweed), Chromium starts every now and then, and Firefox works in the sense that chickens fly and horses swim.
Which means I can't get any work done on my OpenSUSE workstation.
Now what ?
Niki
-- Microlinux - Solutions informatiques durables 7, place de l'église - 30730 Montpezat Site : https://www.microlinux.fr Blog : https://blog.microlinux.fr Mail : info@microlinux.fr Tél. : 04 66 63 10 32 Mob. : 06 51 80 12 12
I have seen no problems withe Firefox or Brave on my Tumbleweed workstations running 20220929. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet oftc
On 10/1/22 11:16, Nicolas Kovacs wrote:
Hi,
After last night's update (Tumbleweed), Chromium starts every now and then, and Firefox works in the sense that chickens fly and horses swim.
Which means I can't get any work done on my OpenSUSE workstation.
Now what ?
Second for Firefox-esr (extended support release). It stays on a version for a year while the kids with crayons code away on the new version bringing us all kinds of incredible shit I'll never use. Tends to be solid and is geared toward update adverse enterprise folks. Add Ublock-origins and NoScript and you have a usable browser that blocks 99% of all the annoying crap you don't want to see anyway. I've never been able to stomach chromium. Even with the Linux version you still have to work hard to make it not phone-home. -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E.
On Sat, 1 Oct 2022 18:16:39 +0200 Nicolas Kovacs <info@microlinux.fr> wrote:
Hi,
After last night's update (Tumbleweed), Chromium starts every now and then, and Firefox works in the sense that chickens fly and horses swim.
Which means I can't get any work done on my OpenSUSE workstation.
Now what ?
I'm continuously swinging between 7 or 8 browsers, which means that my relationship with browsers is quite unstable. They all seem to be jockeying for monopoly but if this keeps up they're all gonna go down and I will be doing a lot of lynx.
On 2022-10-02 13:27, bent fender wrote:
On Sat, 1 Oct 2022 18:16:39 +0200 Nicolas Kovacs <> wrote:
Hi,
After last night's update (Tumbleweed), Chromium starts every now and then, and Firefox works in the sense that chickens fly and horses swim.
Which means I can't get any work done on my OpenSUSE workstation.
Now what ?
I'm continuously swinging between 7 or 8 browsers, which means that my relationship with browsers is quite unstable. They all seem to be jockeying for monopoly but if this keeps up they're all gonna go down and I will be doing a lot of lynx.
I don't have a problem with FF, it is the only one I use, and the only one I have used for a decade or two. I don't see the thing with switching. Only in the case of stupid commercial pages that do not work nicely with Open Source, I switch to Chrome (not Chromium) for that web only. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.3 x86_64 at Telcontar)
Am 02.10.22 um 13:49 schrieb Carlos E. R.:
On 2022-10-02 13:27, bent fender wrote:
On Sat, 1 Oct 2022 18:16:39 +0200 Nicolas Kovacs <> wrote:
Hi,
After last night's update (Tumbleweed), Chromium starts every now and then, and Firefox works in the sense that chickens fly and horses swim.
Which means I can't get any work done on my OpenSUSE workstation.
Now what ?
I'm continuously swinging between 7 or 8 browsers, which means that my relationship with browsers is quite unstable. They all seem to be jockeying for monopoly but if this keeps up they're all gonna go down and I will be doing a lot of lynx.
I don't have a problem with FF, it is the only one I use, and the only one I have used for a decade or two. I don't see the thing with switching.
I use mainly FF, sometimes Seamonkey. Sometimes I am urged to use Chromium, which I do with an extremely bad feeling, giving away my data to big brother...
Only in the case of stupid commercial pages that do not work nicely with Open Source, I switch to Chrome (not Chromium) for that web only.
Firefox has problems with showing html5-embeded videos. After a short while it overlays the (still running) video with a message "a network error occurred" and there is no way to see the complete video. It also has problems with pages that provide more content via JavaScript when scrolling, like facebook or twitter. It happens fast it fb, later in twitter: you scroll and scroll, and suddenly ff scrolls itself and jumps down, so that you have to scroll up again to see the overjumped content. In those cases I sadly have to use big-brother browser. (The above problems are well known since a long time, many FF-releases back, there are countless threads in the internet about it. It can't be too complicated, as Chromium shows those contents without problem, but it seems FF is not interested in solving them) -- Daniel Bauer photographer Basel Málaga https://www.patreon.com/danielbauer https://www.daniel-bauer.com
On 2022-10-02 14:16, Daniel Bauer wrote:
Am 02.10.22 um 13:49 schrieb Carlos E. R.:
On 2022-10-02 13:27, bent fender wrote:
On Sat, 1 Oct 2022 18:16:39 +0200 Nicolas Kovacs <> wrote:
...
I don't have a problem with FF, it is the only one I use, and the only one I have used for a decade or two. I don't see the thing with switching.
I use mainly FF, sometimes Seamonkey. Sometimes I am urged to use Chromium, which I do with an extremely bad feeling, giving away my data to big brother...
Only in the case of stupid commercial pages that do not work nicely with Open Source, I switch to Chrome (not Chromium) for that web only.
Firefox has problems with showing html5-embeded videos. After a short while it overlays the (still running) video with a message "a network error occurred" and there is no way to see the complete video.
Must be I don't watch many videos inside FF. If possible, I prefer to download and watch in VLC. Exceptions are Movistar Fusion videos with DRM when I'm not at home. Or youtube videos, those I don't have problems with.
It also has problems with pages that provide more content via JavaScript when scrolling, like facebook or twitter. It happens fast it fb, later in twitter: you scroll and scroll, and suddenly ff scrolls itself and jumps down, so that you have to scroll up again to see the overjumped content.
I have noticed that somewhere, I don't remember where... probably on the phone. Maybe with meneame. I have not used FB in a year, and TT never. Oh, ok, TT when I get a link to it in menemame, and I don't have a login, so I can not page down much because it soon asks for a password and I abort.
In those cases I sadly have to use big-brother browser.
I just curse softly and try again ;-)
(The above problems are well known since a long time, many FF-releases back, there are countless threads in the internet about it. It can't be too complicated, as Chromium shows those contents without problem, but it seems FF is not interested in solving them)
Maybe it is not them, but the web sites not testing properly. Dunno. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.3 x86_64 at Telcontar)
Am 02.10.22 um 15:06 schrieb Carlos E. R.:
On 2022-10-02 14:16, Daniel Bauer wrote:
Am 02.10.22 um 13:49 schrieb Carlos E. R.:
On 2022-10-02 13:27, bent fender wrote:
On Sat, 1 Oct 2022 18:16:39 +0200 Nicolas Kovacs <> wrote:
...
I don't have a problem with FF, it is the only one I use, and the only one I have used for a decade or two. I don't see the thing with switching.
I use mainly FF, sometimes Seamonkey. Sometimes I am urged to use Chromium, which I do with an extremely bad feeling, giving away my data to big brother...
Only in the case of stupid commercial pages that do not work nicely with Open Source, I switch to Chrome (not Chromium) for that web only.
Firefox has problems with showing html5-embeded videos. After a short while it overlays the (still running) video with a message "a network error occurred" and there is no way to see the complete video.
Must be I don't watch many videos inside FF.
Me neither. But I publish some and it's annoying that it doesn't work in FF.
If possible, I prefer to download and watch in VLC.
Exceptions are Movistar Fusion videos with DRM when I'm not at home. Or youtube videos, those I don't have problems with.
Youtube uses its own player. That's a possible work around. But since html5 browsers should be able to play videos themselves without the need of an additional player. FF fails since a long time :-(
It also has problems with pages that provide more content via JavaScript when scrolling, like facebook or twitter. It happens fast it fb, later in twitter: you scroll and scroll, and suddenly ff scrolls itself and jumps down, so that you have to scroll up again to see the overjumped content. ...
Maybe it is not them, but the web sites not testing properly. Dunno.
fb, of course, is terribly programmed because its main purpose is not to show content but to suck user data. Still, chromium can deal with it. FF not. -- Daniel Bauer photographer Basel Málaga https://www.patreon.com/danielbauer https://www.daniel-bauer.com
Le 02/10/2022 à 16:23, Daniel Bauer a écrit :
Youtube uses its own player. That's a possible work around. But since html5 browsers should be able to play videos themselves without the need of an additional player. FF fails since a long time :-(
of course not. I use only html5 videos on my own gallery and have no problem with Firefox home made, my daughter singing http://dodin.org/piwigo/picture.php?/159960-00013/category/8935 jdd -- http://dodin.org http://valeriedodin.com
On 2022-10-02 16:29, jdd@dodin.org wrote:
Le 02/10/2022 à 16:23, Daniel Bauer a écrit :
Youtube uses its own player. That's a possible work around. But since html5 browsers should be able to play videos themselves without the need of an additional player. FF fails since a long time :-(
of course not. I use only html5 videos on my own gallery and have no problem with Firefox
I understand html5 is a container, the video itself can use several different codecs. Daniel, for your own videos you will have to try several codecs in html5 till you find one that works seamlessly.
home made, my daughter singing
http://dodin.org/piwigo/picture.php?/159960-00013/category/8935
:-) -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.3 x86_64 at Telcontar)
Le 02/10/2022 à 20:10, Carlos E. R. a écrit :
Daniel, for your own videos you will have to try several codecs in html5 till you find one that works seamlessly.
sorry, in french http://www.dodin.org/wiki/pmwiki.php?n=Doc.ConvertirVideoEnHtml5 jdd -- http://dodin.org http://valeriedodin.com
Am 02.10.22 um 20:10 schrieb Carlos E. R.:
On 2022-10-02 16:29, jdd@dodin.org wrote:
Le 02/10/2022 à 16:23, Daniel Bauer a écrit :
Youtube uses its own player. That's a possible work around. But since html5 browsers should be able to play videos themselves without the need of an additional player. FF fails since a long time :-(
of course not. I use only html5 videos on my own gallery and have no problem with Firefox
I understand html5 is a container, the video itself can use several different codecs.
html5 is the markup language that the browser interprets. There are tags that make the browser do things, like the <img> tag that makes the browser to load the image that is mentioned in the "source" attribute and display it. The <video> tag makes the browser load a video file and display the controls etc. mp4, DivX, avi... are video containers.
Daniel, for your own videos you will have to try several codecs in html5 till you find one that works seamlessly.
The videos have the right codecs. Reloading the page several times helps, or downloading the video and playing it with FF works. If there was a codecs problem, the video wouldn't be shown at all or with artifacts or other errors. -- Daniel Bauer photographer Basel Málaga https://www.patreon.com/danielbauer https://www.daniel-bauer.com
Le 02/10/2022 à 20:37, Daniel Bauer a écrit :
The videos have the right codecs. Reloading the page several times helps, or downloading the video and playing it with FF works. If there was a codecs problem, the video wouldn't be shown at all or with artifacts or other errors.
most probably an index problem jdd -- http://dodin.org http://valeriedodin.com
On Sun, 2 Oct 2022 20:37:47 +0200 Daniel Bauer <linux@daniel-bauer.com> wrote:
Am 02.10.22 um 20:10 schrieb Carlos E. R.:
On 2022-10-02 16:29, jdd@dodin.org wrote:
Le 02/10/2022 à 16:23, Daniel Bauer a écrit :
Youtube uses its own player. That's a possible work around. But since html5 browsers should be able to play videos themselves without the need of an additional player. FF fails since a long time :-(
of course not. I use only html5 videos on my own gallery and have no problem with Firefox
I understand html5 is a container, the video itself can use several different codecs.
html5 is the markup language that the browser interprets. There are tags that make the browser do things, like the <img> tag that makes the browser to load the image that is mentioned in the "source" attribute and display it. The <video> tag makes the browser load a video file and display the controls etc.
mp4, DivX, avi... are video containers.
Right but of those three only mp4 is possible with html5 video. Also possible for html5 video are webM and ogg. For others you need a separate codec and that can be quite difficult.
Daniel, for your own videos you will have to try several codecs in html5 till you find one that works seamlessly.
The videos have the right codecs. Reloading the page several times helps, or downloading the video and playing it with FF works. If there was a codecs problem, the video wouldn't be shown at all or with artifacts or other errors.
Am 02.10.22 um 16:29 schrieb jdd@dodin.org:
Le 02/10/2022 à 16:23, Daniel Bauer a écrit :
Youtube uses its own player. That's a possible work around. But since html5 browsers should be able to play videos themselves without the need of an additional player. FF fails since a long time :-(
of course not. I use only html5 videos on my own gallery and have no problem with Firefox
home made, my daughter singing
http://dodin.org/piwigo/picture.php?/159960-00013/category/8935
jdd
Oh, your daughter knows how to shout :-) My videos are much larger (in pixel size and thus in MB). As much as I have read in many threads, FF loads a portion and then another one, and meanwhile somehow loses the connection. The problem doesn't occur when the file size is small enough to be loaded in one attempt. (Sorry, I can't give an example...) -- Daniel Bauer photographer Basel Málaga https://www.patreon.com/danielbauer https://www.daniel-bauer.com
Le 02/10/2022 à 20:20, Daniel Bauer a écrit :
Oh, your daughter knows how to shout :-)
:-)
My videos are much larger (in pixel size and thus in MB).
pixel size don't mean anything, bit=rate is all what count. For the web two things are mandatory: a not too large bitrate and *an index at the beginning of the vidéo*, the "-movflags faststart" ffmpeg option. With it the video don't have to be loaded entirely from the beginning in modern browsers, mp4 is the codec of choice. ogg is not read everywhere jdd -- http://dodin.org http://valeriedodin.com
On Sun, 2 Oct 2022 13:49:39 +0200 "Carlos E. R." <robin.listas@telefonica.net> wrote:
On 2022-10-02 13:27, bent fender wrote:
On Sat, 1 Oct 2022 18:16:39 +0200 Nicolas Kovacs <> wrote:
Hi,
After last night's update (Tumbleweed), Chromium starts every now and then, and Firefox works in the sense that chickens fly and horses swim.
Which means I can't get any work done on my OpenSUSE workstation.
Now what ?
I'm continuously swinging between 7 or 8 browsers, which means that my relationship with browsers is quite unstable. They all seem to be jockeying for monopoly but if this keeps up they're all gonna go down and I will be doing a lot of lynx.
I don't have a problem with FF, it is the only one I use, and the only one I have used for a decade or two. I don't see the thing with switching.
Only in the case of stupid commercial pages that do not work nicely with Open Source, I switch to Chrome (not Chromium) for that web only.
-- Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R. (from 15.3 x86_64 at Telcontar)
Possibly because of my way of handling it (which is a matter of policy) FF is lately doing more crashing then running and that's not a joke. I absolutely don't want to hear anything about any 3rd party riskware. Ideally I'd want to use lynx piping the downloaded page to an html rendering utility while at the same time killing the internet connection. Next up is Librewolf the idea being that UNLESS I want to interact the thing should be like the song Califiornia Hotel: "we are programmed to RECEIVE" i.e. pitch black 'dark'. There are needs be times when you want to relax the fences, they should be facilitated with the ease of ON/OFF toggles and not having to go into prefs each time. So for now I'm doing a lot of trying and testing and that's how come there are 8 browsers in my right panel in the top internet battle-group :-) -- Sundays are AvLinux days AvLinux-MX (Wildflower), Kernel=5.19.0-4.2-liquorix-amd64 on x86_64, DM=Unknown, DE=XFCE, ST=x11,grub2, GPT, BIOS-boot https://i.imgur.com/7zzhmRi.png
On 10/2/22 06:27, bent fender wrote:
down and I will be doing a lot of lynx.
Hey.... Don't knock lynx. lynx --dump has been a stable when I need info from a web-site (create download lists for wget, etc..) I fly around in text-mode just fine -- and surprisingly, get the content I'm interested in -- without the annoyances :) -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E.
On Sun, 2 Oct 2022 18:58:27 -0500 "David C. Rankin" <drankinatty@suddenlinkmail.com> wrote:
On 10/2/22 06:27, bent fender wrote:
down and I will be doing a lot of lynx.
Hey....
Don't knock lynx. lynx --dump has been a stable when I need info from a web-site (create download lists for wget, etc..) I fly around in text-mode just fine -- and surprisingly, get the content I'm interested in -- without the annoyances :)
-- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E.
I ain't knocking it, seriously considering switchin to it instead, except maybe for rare special ops
On 2022-10-02 22:43:37 bent fender wrote:
|On Sun, 2 Oct 2022 18:58:27 -0500 | |"David C. Rankin" <drankinatty@suddenlinkmail.com> wrote: |> On 10/2/22 06:27, bent fender wrote: |> > down and I will be doing a lot of lynx. |> |> Hey.... |> |> Don't knock lynx. lynx --dump has been a stable when I need info from |> a web-site (create download lists for wget, etc..) I fly around in |> text-mode just fine -- and surprisingly, get the content I'm interested |> in -- without the annoyances :) |> |> -- |> David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. | |I ain't knocking it, seriously considering switchin to it instead, except | maybe for rare special ops
Sometimes the features in links (another text-mode browser) are also helpful. Leslie -- Platform: Linux Distribution: openSUSE Leap 15.4 x86_64
On 2022-10-03 01:58, David C. Rankin wrote:
On 10/2/22 06:27, bent fender wrote:
down and I will be doing a lot of lynx.
Hey....
Don't knock lynx. lynx --dump has been a stable when I need info from a web-site (create download lists for wget, etc..) I fly around in text-mode just fine -- and surprisingly, get the content I'm interested in -- without the annoyances :)
You can't buy a bed in Ikea using lynx. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.3 x86_64 at Telcontar)
* Carlos E. R. <robin.listas@telefonica.net> [10-03-22 05:12]:
On 2022-10-03 01:58, David C. Rankin wrote:
On 10/2/22 06:27, bent fender wrote:
down and I will be doing a lot of lynx.
Hey....
Don't knock lynx. lynx --dump has been a stable when I need info from a web-site (create download lists for wget, etc..) I fly around in text-mode just fine -- and surprisingly, get the content I'm interested in -- without the annoyances :)
You can't buy a bed in Ikea using lynx.
nor at Tractor Supply :( -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet oftc
On 10/3/22 07:35, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
You can't buy a bed in Ikea using lynx. nor at Tractor Supply :(
Hard to fit tracking pixels into ASCII characters -- can be taken as a plus instead of a minus :) I was amazed to find out CSS fly-out menus work fine as list menus in Lynx. Pretty good thinking to get around the short-comings of text. -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E.
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