[opensuse] tablet as remote display
I am getting asked, more and more, about why we do not use a tablet as the 'display' in our measurement systems. WiFi issues and near-real-time measurement control issues aside ("but Roger, why does NetFlix work over WiFi?" ... sigh). So, here's my question to the list: if you had to set up a tablet to be a remote display (as opposed to having it run a native GUI app), what components might you choose. The machine that should have a tablet used this was will be running openSUSE with KDE as the desktop. The issues range from speed to responsiveness to not having a physical keyboard. If this is off-topic, I can move the discussion. But as the desktop that will be accessed is openSUSE, I thought it may be on topic. -- Roger Oberholtzer -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Roger Oberholtzer wrote:
I am getting asked, more and more, about why we do not use a tablet as the 'display' in our measurement systems. WiFi issues and near-real-time measurement control issues aside ("but Roger, why does NetFlix work over WiFi?" ... sigh).
So, here's my question to the list: if you had to set up a tablet to be a remote display (as opposed to having it run a native GUI app), what components might you choose. The machine that should have a tablet used this was will be running openSUSE with KDE as the desktop.
I have seen such setups fairly recently on agricultural equipment. Both as displays, and for controlling and monitoring. During operation, the tablet is in the drivers compartment, presumably for monitoring. When idle, the driver can access controls and such via the tablet, and when done, he can send of an activity report to the farmer directly. I have seen this on a bale press and on a slurry pump. I am assuming simply a bespoke application on an otherwise standard tablet. (Samsung, not Apple). Not quite just "a display", but I thought I would chip in. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (13.1°C) http://www.cloudsuisse.com/ - your owncloud, hosted in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
We are defining a new system configuration that is meant for road
builders and maintainers. They can monitor the build and repair
quality while it proceeds. These are not trained to use these kinds of
systems. So we want to make it simple. Perhaps a KDE Kiosk (does KDE
still 0do Kiosk?) setup and a simple tablet to do pre-defined things.
So the farm equipment setup would be along the same lines.
On Thu, Jun 8, 2017 at 8:46 AM, Per Jessen
Roger Oberholtzer wrote:
I am getting asked, more and more, about why we do not use a tablet as the 'display' in our measurement systems. WiFi issues and near-real-time measurement control issues aside ("but Roger, why does NetFlix work over WiFi?" ... sigh).
So, here's my question to the list: if you had to set up a tablet to be a remote display (as opposed to having it run a native GUI app), what components might you choose. The machine that should have a tablet used this was will be running openSUSE with KDE as the desktop.
I have seen such setups fairly recently on agricultural equipment. Both as displays, and for controlling and monitoring. During operation, the tablet is in the drivers compartment, presumably for monitoring. When idle, the driver can access controls and such via the tablet, and when done, he can send of an activity report to the farmer directly. I have seen this on a bale press and on a slurry pump. I am assuming simply a bespoke application on an otherwise standard tablet. (Samsung, not Apple). Not quite just "a display", but I thought I would chip in.
-- Per Jessen, Zürich (13.1°C) http://www.cloudsuisse.com/ - your owncloud, hosted in Switzerland.
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Roger Oberholtzer wrote:
We are defining a new system configuration that is meant for road builders and maintainers. They can monitor the build and repair quality while it proceeds. These are not trained to use these kinds of systems. So we want to make it simple. Perhaps a KDE Kiosk (does KDE still 0do Kiosk?) setup and a simple tablet to do pre-defined things. So the farm equipment setup would be along the same lines.
I would think so, absolutely. I didn't get a closer look, I was just intrigued that these heavy machines were being operated with a tablet. There's plenty of high-tech in the cockpit too, but tha tablet sort of takes things to the next level. I can't remember, but I think I also saw a tablet being operated by the driver of the maize harvester. (all machinery being paid for by the hour, incl. operators). Kiosk - I had a project a while back where I wanted to use Kiosk, I just remember having some problems with it. I forget what project is was :-( -- Per Jessen, Zürich (20.4°C) http://www.hostsuisse.com/ - dedicated server rental in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Thu, Jun 8, 2017 at 8:57 PM, Per Jessen
Kiosk - I had a project a while back where I wanted to use Kiosk, I just remember having some problems with it. I forget what project is was :-(
The Kiosk is perhaps optional. We just want to simplify the desktop. In fact, since we want it so simple, maybe KDE won't be needed. We're still thinking about this part of it. Ideally, it should be a setup where there are a couple of easy to access actions with no chance of confusion :) -- Roger Oberholtzer -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Roger Oberholtzer wrote:
On Thu, Jun 8, 2017 at 8:57 PM, Per Jessen
wrote: Kiosk - I had a project a while back where I wanted to use Kiosk, I just remember having some problems with it. I forget what project is was :-(
The Kiosk is perhaps optional. We just want to simplify the desktop. In fact, since we want it so simple, maybe KDE won't be needed. We're still thinking about this part of it. Ideally, it should be a setup where there are a couple of easy to access actions with no chance of confusion :)
On my mythtv setup, I don't run a window manager, just mythtvfrontend directly. Maybe you could just run a browser with a fixed page with the interfaces you want to offer ? /Per -- Per Jessen, Zürich (21.8°C) http://www.hostsuisse.com/ - virtual servers, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 06/08/2017 01:56 AM, Roger Oberholtzer wrote:
I am getting asked, more and more, about why we do not use a tablet as the 'display' in our measurement systems. WiFi issues and near-real-time measurement control issues aside ("but Roger, why does NetFlix work over WiFi?" ... sigh).
So, here's my question to the list: if you had to set up a tablet to be a remote display (as opposed to having it run a native GUI app), what components might you choose. The machine that should have a tablet used this was will be running openSUSE with KDE as the desktop.
The issues range from speed to responsiveness to not having a physical keyboard.
If this is off-topic, I can move the discussion. But as the desktop that will be accessed is openSUSE, I thought it may be on topic.
You could try NoMachine. It's a remote desktop app that also works on tablets. I've used it with both Linux (KDE on openSUSE) and Windows. https://www.nomachine.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Thu, Jun 8, 2017 at 1:14 PM, James Knott
You could try NoMachine. It's a remote desktop app that also works on tablets. I've used it with both Linux (KDE on openSUSE) and Windows.
It was this sort of solution I was considering. The GUI issue that remains is using KDE and, in our case Tk) apps without a physical keyboard. -- Roger Oberholtzer -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Le 08/06/2017 à 13:58, Roger Oberholtzer a écrit :
On Thu, Jun 8, 2017 at 1:14 PM, James Knott
wrote: You could try NoMachine. It's a remote desktop app that also works on tablets. I've used it with both Linux (KDE on openSUSE) and Windows.
It was this sort of solution I was considering. The GUI issue that remains is using KDE and, in our case Tk) apps without a physical keyboard.
don't want my own phone free version: http://dodin.info/wiki/pmwiki.php?n=Doc.Remote-access-NX (a bit old doc) jdd -- http://dodin.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 06/08/2017 08:24 AM, jdd@dodin.org wrote:
Le 08/06/2017 à 13:58, Roger Oberholtzer a écrit :
On Thu, Jun 8, 2017 at 1:14 PM, James Knott
wrote: You could try NoMachine. It's a remote desktop app that also works on tablets. I've used it with both Linux (KDE on openSUSE) and Windows.
It was this sort of solution I was considering. The GUI issue that remains is using KDE and, in our case Tk) apps without a physical keyboard.
don't want my own phone
It installed fine on my Nexus 7, but a 7" tablet is a bit small for it. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 06/08/2017 07:58 AM, Roger Oberholtzer wrote:
On Thu, Jun 8, 2017 at 1:14 PM, James Knott
wrote: You could try NoMachine. It's a remote desktop app that also works on tablets. I've used it with both Linux (KDE on openSUSE) and Windows.
https://www.nomachine.com/ It was this sort of solution I was considering. The GUI issue that remains is using KDE and, in our case Tk) apps without a physical keyboard.
I installed it on my Nexus 7 tablet. While it worked OK there, including with the tablet "keyboard", you'd probably want a larger tablet. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 08/06/17 07:14 AM, James Knott wrote:
You could try NoMachine. It's a remote desktop app that also works on tablets. I've used it with both Linux (KDE on openSUSE) and Windows.
I must admit, in my rapid perusal of that site, the details of options for clients is light. In particular when I search the how-to for 'tablet' i get a 'not found'. -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Le 08/06/2017 à 15:59, Anton Aylward a écrit :
On 08/06/17 07:14 AM, James Knott wrote:
You could try NoMachine. It's a remote desktop app that also works on tablets. I've used it with both Linux (KDE on openSUSE) and Windows.
I must admit, in my rapid perusal of that site, the details of options for clients is light. In particular when I search the how-to for 'tablet' i get a 'not found'.
nomachine is (was?) the fastest and best remote gui, but I never tested it on tablet - there is an android app, but google say it's not fitted to my phone now with fast network it may be very good, even from home, if you get fiber there, but you need to keep your computer on and open to the net (only ssh) jdd -- http://dodin.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 06/08/2017 10:05 AM, jdd@dodin.org wrote:
nomachine is (was?) the fastest and best remote gui, but I never tested it on tablet - there is an android app, but google say it's not fitted to my phone
Given that my 7" tablet is a bit small for it, I'd hate to have to use it on a phone. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 06/08/2017 09:59 AM, Anton Aylward wrote:
On 08/06/17 07:14 AM, James Knott wrote:
You could try NoMachine. It's a remote desktop app that also works on tablets. I've used it with both Linux (KDE on openSUSE) and Windows.
https://www.nomachine.com/ I must admit, in my rapid perusal of that site, the details of options for clients is light. In particular when I search the how-to for 'tablet' i get a 'not found'.
It's on Google Play. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.nomachine.nxplayer -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 08/06/17 01:56 AM, Roger Oberholtzer wrote:
I am getting asked, more and more, about why we do not use a tablet as the 'display' in our measurement systems. WiFi issues and near-real-time measurement control issues aside ("but Roger, why does NetFlix work over WiFi?" ... sigh).
So, here's my question to the list: if you had to set up a tablet to be a remote display (as opposed to having it run a native GUI app), what components might you choose. The machine that should have a tablet used this was will be running openSUSE with KDE as the desktop.
The issues range from speed to responsiveness to not having a physical keyboard.
If you are running X then its simply a matter of a remote display, "just another X Terminal". I have a app that does that; I'll have to go get my tablet and find out what it is. Or you could search the app store yourself. IIR it takes a little setup. The one I use needs the host to determine the UI. I found it easiest to run a X version of Thunderbird, since I have the UI on the apps that are native to the table for email. As for keyboarding, well you have the tablet's capability. I find on-screen keyboard tolerable for short stuff, but for anything more than a senescence or two, such as an email message like this, I want a proper keyboard. My tablet has, obviously, bluetooth keyboard capability, but I've found I can also plug in a full sized keyboard via USB (and a USB size changer as in 2/$ on eBay). Of course it helps that I have a 12" Samsung tablet. I'd hate to be doing this on anything smaller. And yes, the host concerned is my openSUSE desktop. -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
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