Heh, what's microshaft going to say? Hey, Linux can't use our proprietary modem architect which uses more CPU, more memory, does the de/modulation via software rather then using the hardware, and it is has a slower download rate due to all of the above, therefore Linux sucks?? heh, don't think so, they'd shoot themselves in the foot on that one :)

You miss the point. USERS don't care a whit about the geek argument about technical specs and architectures. They care that most of the modems that fit into the available slots on their mobos are PCI and winmodems. They care as much that said modems are much less costly. M$ can easily win that debate because consumers have decades of conditioning that price and availability are king.

yeah, but you save a bundle in software purchases using Linux (which MORE then makes up for it), and anyone that does their homework before buying something would know that winmodems are not worth spit.

I paid $39.95 for SuSE 8.0 Personal and $70. or so for StarOffice 6.0 (because 5.2 is inadequate to the task in a mostly M$ office environment). The time I have spent trying to resolve flaws in SuSE 8.0 and related apps is worth thousands. I am holding off a boss who wants M$ rather than Linux on my desktop -- and the only problem is that not a single Yahoo- compatible instant messenger will load without dependency error roadblocks. I invest the time because I have a heart for Linux. It is the same reason that I bought the Linux-based Sharp Zaurus rather than one of the much more popular non-Linux handheld pcs. I don't need nor deserve lectures from anyone, I need someone to wake up and smell the coffee that Linux will always be limited by hardware compatibility unless we are vastly more proactive in posting signposts to the Linux-compatible hardware alternatives. To the one who snidly asked ... The "doc" comes from decades of radio, computer, and gadget geekdom, and the incidental fact that I hold an earned doctorate degree in a non- geek area. The moniker came from fellow geeks. OK? Can we stay on topic? Sigh ... doc

The guys at BestBuy were cool. If it doesn't work they promised to take it back. Gotta return a defective video to the store next door so no big deal. (Tape was cut crooked, lack of quality control.) No modems, win or non-win at WalMart. Wasted trip. doc

USERS don't care a whit about the geek argument about technical specs and architectures. They care that most of the modems that fit into the available slots on their mobos are PCI and winmodems. They care as much that said modems are much less costly. M$ can easily win that debate because consumers have decades of conditioning that price and availability are king.

Users I sometimes encopunter do care, but then they expect things to just work..Or work as advertised.

OK? Can we stay on topic?

Hope you bugged the modem manuacturer :). One nice well written e-mail should suffice, and one would hope that they get enough of those they will either makea driver for Linux, or decide to assist kernel programmers with details (this is probably a cheaper option).

Sigh ... doc

At least you spent 20 to find out it was winmodem, I was spent 50 UK sterling to find out that the store had lied to me... Matt -- Check the headers for your unsubscription address For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the archives at http://lists.suse.com Please read the FAQs: suse-linux-e-faq@suse.com

Stay cool guys - save it for the enemy. We all want the same thing - just differ about how to get there. Brian Marr On Sunday 01 September 2002 09:05, Colburn wrote:

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software rather then using the hardware, and it is has a slower download rate due to all of the above, therefore Linux sucks?? heh, don't think so, they'd shoot themselves in the foot on that one :)

You miss the point.

USERS don't care a whit about the geek argument about technical specs and architectures. They care that most of the modems that fit into the available slots on their mobos are PCI and winmodems. They care as much that said modems are much less costly. M$ can easily win that debate because consumers have decades of conditioning that price and availability are king.

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yeah, but you save a bundle in software purchases using Linux (which MORE then makes up for it), and anyone that does their homework before buying something would know that winmodems are not worth spit.

I paid $39.95 for SuSE 8.0 Personal and $70. or so for StarOffice 6.0 (because 5.2 is inadequate to the task in a mostly M$ office environment). The time I have spent trying to resolve flaws in SuSE 8.0 and related apps is worth thousands. I am holding off a boss who wants M$ rather than Linux on my desktop -- and the only problem is that not a single Yahoo- compatible instant messenger will load without dependency error roadblocks.

I invest the time because I have a heart for Linux. It is the same reason that I bought the Linux-based Sharp Zaurus rather than one of the much more popular non-Linux handheld pcs.

I don't need nor deserve lectures from anyone, I need someone to wake up and smell the coffee that Linux will always be limited by hardware compatibility unless we are vastly more proactive in posting signposts to the Linux-compatible hardware alternatives.

To the one who snidly asked ...

The "doc" comes from decades of radio, computer, and gadget geekdom, and the incidental fact that I hold an earned doctorate degree in a non- geek area. The moniker came from fellow geeks.

OK? Can we stay on topic?

Sigh ... doc

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Colburn> I am holding off a boss who wants M$ Colburn> rather than Linux on my desktop -- and the only problem Colburn> is that not a single Yahoo- compatible instant messenger Colburn> will load without dependency error roadblocks.

Hmmm. I am running ymessenger 0.99<mumble> from Yahoo!. I works reasonably well. I can even watch the stock market sink in almost-real time.

IMvironments are not supported in Linux. And it screws up the fonts. It doesn't have the audio or webcam stuff either (big deal).

I'm running suse 7.3. I used the version for an old redhat distro :-)

Alos, it's got real important instructions on the website (yahoo's) about what needs to be done in a console as root. Some linking I think it all is. John -- Linux...the freedom to do what *YOU* want, with *YOUR* computer. M$...we'll tell you what you need and we'll bleed you dry doing it you thief!

Yahoo actually has all of the necessary dependency files right there on the same site as their app? What a concept! Sure hope others will learn from their good-sense example. The big boss sent the business manager down with a replacement PC today. Will have to endure Windows on that machine instead of SuSE 8.0 because the absense of a functional IM app has aggravated him too long (there have been a couple of other glitches as well, e.g. inability to print to a shared printer, inabaility to access server file folders, inability to access certain files -- bought StarOffice 6.0 to resolve the latter but too late) ... will load SuSE on top of Windows after things settle down ... though I may wait for v8.1 ... hmmmm. doc

I just got my wife;s machine working by going to yahoo site and downloading their Unix version along with the dependencies they list. Installed them, then went on and got her id, etc. Then went back to Gaim, installed the yahoo plugin, and now she is on both aim and yahooIM through Gaim. Works without a hitch. ra