Hybrid Installations: Commercial + OpenSuSE to Preserve KDE
Hi, I'm probably not the only one who will not give up KDE and who very much does not want to move from SuSE to another distribution. So, if Novell does not back down from it's intention to abandon full KDE support on the commercial product, many of us are going to be faced with an "issue:" How to remain with both SuSE and KDE. We might as well start considering how to deal with this unfortunate eventuality now. The information that's out there right now says the OpenSuSE will continue to include the full complement of KDE software, so the question seems to be how easy will it be to run the commercial SuSE release and augment it with my beloved KDE? What challenges will it produce? By the way, I saw no mention of when KDE would be dropped. Will 10.1 include it, or will it not be dropped until a later release? Randall Schulz
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Randall R Schulz wrote:
I'm probably not the only one who will not give up KDE and who very much does not want to move from SuSE to another distribution. So, if Novell does not back down from it's intention to abandon full KDE support on the commercial product, many of us are going to be faced with an "issue:" How to remain with both SuSE and KDE.
You're definately not the only one. But I don't see any reason to panic (see below). And as you mention "commercial product". I think saying "NLD and SLES" would be more appropriate here. I do not see where it affects the boxed version of SUSE Linux. ...
By the way, I saw no mention of when KDE would be dropped. Will 10.1 include it, or will it not be dropped until a later release?
I didn't even see any mention of KDE being dropped out of SUSE Linux.
Actually, there's no dropping of KDE anywhere.
The announcement just says that Novell would concentrate of GNOME as a platform.
To me, that rather sounds like
a) GNOME being the default desktop on NLD and SLES
b) NLD only shipping GNOME + Evolution + other GNOME apps for groupware etc...
c) migrate existing KDE/Qt-based Novell applications to GNOME (YaST2, ...) - although that sounds
silly in the perspective of cost savings
IMHO only (c) would affect us users of SUSE Linux.
I personally don't care much about NLD and SLES (well, I do care about SLES but I don't care having
to use GNOME there, it's for servers anyway).
I even see that as a pretty good idea from Novell, to have NLD concentrate on a single desktop.
Personally, I don't really see GNOME as a better choice as KDE but Novell has much more know-how
about GNOME than KDE, with the ex-Ximian team. So, from that point of view, it's understandable.
As I don't use NLD and don't plan to do so, I don't really care much about it.
<rant> Maybe that would even give us an actually working GNOME. </rant>
So, I don't see any reason to panic about KDE in SUSE Linux 10.1 or later.
The only side effect would be if YaST2 & other Novell applications are ported/moved to GNOME/GTK2
instead of QT. But hey, I think we can live with that, the GNOME people were able to live with a
QT-based YaST2/suseplugger/susewatcher for quite some time ;)
cheers
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Am So 06.11.2005 17:23 schrieb Pascal Bleser
<rant> Maybe that would even give us an actually working GNOME. </rant>
Sure, some bugs are left to make life more interesting--but why do you think Gnome does not work? I use the Gnome desktop at work and at home exclusively on my Linux machines.
instead of QT. But hey, I think we can live with that, the GNOME people were able to live with a QT-based YaST2/suseplugger/susewatcher for quite some time ;)
Happily, the YaST2 ncurses UI exists and I like it :)
On Sunday 06 November 2005 17:23, Pascal Bleser wrote:
I even see that as a pretty good idea from Novell, to have NLD concentrate on a single desktop. Personally, I don't really see GNOME as a better choice as KDE but Novell has much more know-how about GNOME than KDE, with the ex-Ximian team. So, from that point of view, it's understandable. As I don't use NLD and don't plan to do so, I
Of course it's understandable. Ex-Ximian folks WANT gnome. That was their specialty. I'd bet that if somehow Novell had purchased something from the kde group, we'd be hearing a different tune about now.
don't really care much about it. <rant> Maybe that would even give us an actually working GNOME. </rant>
I doubt it. Unless some of the fixes find their way into the regular distribution. Might happen, but I'm not holding my breath for it.
So, I don't see any reason to panic about KDE in SUSE Linux 10.1 or later. The only side effect would be if YaST2 & other Novell applications are ported/moved to GNOME/GTK2 instead of QT. But hey, I think we can live with that, the GNOME people were able to live with a QT-based YaST2/suseplugger/susewatcher for quite some time ;)
Yep.. And it works. Of course there are those of us that still use the ncurses version. Now that's one that I definitely don't want to go away. My server has no x on it at all. But updates are still coming in thanks to yast2. Mike -- Powered by SuSE 9.3 Kernel 2.6.11 KDE 3.4.0 Kmail 1.8 For Mondo/Mindi backup support go to http://www.mikenjane.net/~mike 5:57pm up 7 days 2:58, 4 users, load average: 2.03, 2.13, 2.27
mike wrote:
Yep.. And it works. Of course there are those of us that still use the ncurses version. Now that's one that I definitely don't want to go away. My server has no x on it at all. But updates are still coming in thanks to yast2.
Completely OT, but you could always run yast2 with X-output to a workstation with X. Try "ssh -X root@<server> yast2" from your X-workstation. /Per Jessen, Zürich -- http://www.spamchek.com/ - managed anti-spam and anti-virus solution. Sign up for your free 30-day trial now!
On Mon, 7 Nov 2005, Per Jessen wrote:
Completely OT, but you could always run yast2 with X-output to a workstation with X. Try "ssh -X root@<server> yast2" from your X-workstation.
But that way all depending X libraries need to be installed on the server also, that's not a preferable situation.
/Per Jessen, Zürich
Aschwin Marsman, the Netherlands -- aschwin@marsman.org http://www.marsman.org
Aschwin Marsman wrote:
On Mon, 7 Nov 2005, Per Jessen wrote:
Completely OT, but you could always run yast2 with X-output to a workstation with X. Try "ssh -X root@<server> yast2" from your X-workstation.
But that way all depending X libraries need to be installed on the server also, that's not a preferable situation.
Well, personally I see no problem in that - is anyone short of disk-space these days? I also often use the ncurses version of yast2, but equally often the X-version of ssh - it's just very convenient, and much preferable. IMHO. /Per Jessen, Zürich
On Sun, 6 Nov 2005, Pascal Bleser wrote:
The announcement just says that Novell would concentrate of GNOME as a platform. To me, that rather sounds like a) GNOME being the default desktop on NLD and SLES
While this is likely to happen (if it's not already the case - think of NLD)...
b) NLD only shipping GNOME + Evolution + other GNOME apps for groupware etc... c) migrate existing KDE/Qt-based Novell applications to GNOME (YaST2, ...) - although that sounds silly in the perspective of cost savings
... this doesn't make much sense to me and is most likely not going to happen. Regards Christoph
On Sun, 6 Nov 2005, Randall R Schulz wrote:
I'm probably not the only one who will not give up KDE and who very much does not want to move from SuSE to another distribution. So, if Novell does not back down from it's intention to abandon full KDE support on the commercial product, many of us are going to be faced with an "issue:" How to remain with both SuSE and KDE.
I guess you are referring to some articles on linuxtoday.com and other sites on the internet. It's very unfortunate that they are so inaccurate and misleading! First of all it's advisable to show cool, until there are hard facts and remeber that this is exclusively focused on business products like SLES and NLD. In addition to that, this is not about dropping a desktop, but about making one the _default desktop_.
We might as well start considering how to deal with this unfortunate eventuality now.
The information that's out there right now says the OpenSuSE will continue to include the full complement of KDE software, so the question seems to be how easy will it be to run the commercial SuSE release and augment it with my beloved KDE? What challenges will it produce?
[I guess you are talking about the retail version of SUSE Linux.] ... ultimately: Just changing an option (if at all).
By the way, I saw no mention of when KDE would be dropped. Will 10.1 include it, or will it not be dropped until a later release?
KDE won't be dropped. If this information is out there - it's simply wrong. Regards Christoph
Christoph Thiel wrote:
First of all it's advisable to show cool, until there are hard facts and remeber that this is exclusively focused on business products like SLES and NLD. In addition to that, this is not about dropping a desktop, but about making one the _default desktop_. [...] KDE won't be dropped. If this information is out there - it's simply wrong.
Regards Christoph
NOTE: Before you read any further I have to say I am not in favor of either KDE or Gnome. *Question:* What is gained by only defaulting to Gnome? *Answer:* Nothing. If the only difference after this announcement is that Gnome is the default (as in, you have to actively choose to install KDE instead). Then you still have to support your customers for both desktops. Since some people just can't seem to default install anything. That again leads to; no more people that can be laid of, which in turn leads to no new growth. In other words there is no money saved. So unless Novell just thought they would shake things up a bit, for fun, - And wasn't thinking about money, KDE is indeed gone. Maybe not this year or the next, but it'll all go in the end. My bet is 6 months from now. Now, note that I understand Novells actions. They are trying to make a better profit(as we all are). It's just that, I don't necessarily agree that this is the best choice (I would keep the current model). I for one will hang in there. Since there is no other contender. Change is good, but in this case it just spells uncertainty. And that is never good. I hope to see some good decisions in the near future that can amend this. .. Regards Kenneth Aar www.virkelighet.net
On Sun, 2005-11-06 at 08:00 -0800, Randall R Schulz wrote:
Hi,
I'm probably not the only one who will not give up KDE and who very much does not want to move from SuSE to another distribution. So, if Novell does not back down from it's intention to abandon full KDE support on the commercial product, many of us are going to be faced with an "issue:" How to remain with both SuSE and KDE.
We might as well start considering how to deal with this unfortunate eventuality now.
You must remember that KDE will be in every product -except- SLES and NLD. The product that most home users will buy will contain KDE. At least that is how I interpret the article. -- Ken Schneider UNIX since 1989, linux since 1994, SuSE since 1998
On Sun, 6 Nov 2005, Ken Schneider wrote:
We might as well start considering how to deal with this unfortunate eventuality now.
You must remember that KDE will be in every product -except- SLES and NLD. The product that most home users will buy will contain KDE. At least that is how I interpret the article.
From my point of view, KDE will be in NLD/SLES as well, but it won't be the "default desktop"(tm).
Regards Christoph
On Sun, 2005-11-06 at 19:25 +0100, Christoph Thiel wrote:
On Sun, 6 Nov 2005, Ken Schneider wrote:
We might as well start considering how to deal with this unfortunate eventuality now.
You must remember that KDE will be in every product -except- SLES and NLD. The product that most home users will buy will contain KDE. At least that is how I interpret the article.
From my point of view, KDE will be in NLD/SLES as well, but it won't be the "default desktop"(tm).
This certainly clears up all of the gossip. Thanks. -- Ken Schneider UNIX since 1989, linux since 1994, SuSE since 1998
Randall R Schulz
Hi,
I'm probably not the only one who will not give up KDE and who very much does not want to move from SuSE to another distribution. So, if Novell does not back down from it's intention to abandon full KDE support on the commercial product, many of us are going to be faced with an "issue:" How to remain with both SuSE and KDE.
As it's usual with some decisions, they need some further internal discussions, I'll tell you how NLD and SLES will look as soon as I know it so that we can have the right discussion.
We might as well start considering how to deal with this unfortunate eventuality now.
The information that's out there right now says the OpenSuSE will continue to include the full complement of KDE software, so the question seems to be how easy will it be to run the commercial SuSE release and augment it with my beloved KDE? What challenges will it produce?
By the way, I saw no mention of when KDE would be dropped. Will 10.1 include it, or will it not be dropped until a later release?
SUSE Linux will not drop KDE! Therefore 10.1 will have KDE in it, you will not see any changes in the next alpha. Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, aj@suse.de, http://www.suse.de/~aj SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126
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