Bruce Marshall wrote:

On Saturday 19 November 2005 12:42 pm, Adolph & Sharon Weidanz wrote:

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Hey all...

1) I don't know where you are located nor all the options available to you.

2) I don't think I would count on a wireless connection using a PCMCIA card. You may know better particularly if you have talked to someone who uses such a card on a regular basis.

3) Assuming that (2) works, you can set up your laptop using Linux to provide access to all of your other computers. This is quite easy to do once you put a firewall in place on the laptop. However, the laptop would become a permanent fixture in your network... If the laptop isn't present, you wouldn't have a network.

4) What's wrong with the satellite deal? Are you going to go over the limit on a regular basis?

Sorry about that.. I am now up in Connecticut.. The only options it seems is either satellite or the wireless, as the marina is not wired for cable or phone and I don't think they will spend the money to do so.. For #2 I was hopping someone here uses it. I don't know anyone here that has it.. For #3 yep.. I know how to share the connection through the laptop, however that would mean leaving the laptop on 24/7 and from past experience (3 years old) I think that the laptop would die pretty soon.. That's why I was hoping to find a "dongle" that would allow the PCMCIA card to plug directly to the router. For #4.. That's a hard one to answer.. Part of the answer is I really hate to pay that much (500 -600 for the equipment and 60 - 70 a month for the service) just to be limited when I do want to DL a large chunk (i.e. SUSE 10.0 would take like 4 or 5 days..). That's why I was looking at the verizon deal as I don't believe that they cap the bandwidth.

On 11/19/05 2:37 PM, "Adolph & Sharon Weidanz" wrote:

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Sorry about that.. I am now up in Connecticut.. The only options it seems is either satellite or the wireless, as the marina is not wired for cable or phone and I don't think they will spend the money to do so.. T1's have come down in price a lot. If you wanted, as this is a business connection, you can share the expense with some of your neighbors...wireless. You can host your own servers...they have a guarantee of no more than 4 hour downtime. Try to get that with DSL or cable.

We did that when we couldn't get DSL @ the shop...

Came with something like 8 or 12 static IP's, all the bandwidth I wanted...it's just the speed was maxed @ something like 1M. (we also had some voice lines in there...otherwise it's something like 1.55M)

(T1 has 24 channels...you can use them for voice or data...)

http://www.t1-t3-dsl-line.com/solutions.php

Google is your friend. I looked at that.. The problem is that the phone line coming into the marina office is not one I am allowed to play with, or I'd of paid for

suse_gasjr4wd@mac.com wrote: the DSL myself and setup a wireless router. The nearest private phone is way to far for wireless. Also I am not allowed to have any rewiring done myself, so I couldn't have the telco come out and run new lines on my dime even. That's why I need to do wireless/satellite...

suse_gasjr4wd@mac.com wrote:

Pringles cans work...

All the Pringles cans I've seen are made from cardboard, which will not work.

Langsley wrote:

On Saturday November 19 2005 12:42 pm, Adolph & Sharon Weidanz wrote:

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Because of not having a landline or cable connection available, I need to find a way to connect to the internet. I have looked at 4 or 5 of the satellite providers, but they limit the amount that can be downloaded. For instance Direcway and earthlink reduces your bandwidth after you dl 169megs in 4 hours. Others are even more restrictive.

Hi You didn't say where you are located but depending on where you are you might want to consider Wild Blue satellite service. http://www.wildblue.com/ That's what I use because I'm out in the corn fields of Indiana and there is no other "broadband" service available.While they do have some download restrictions they're a lot more liberal than any of the others I've found, particularly if you choose one of the higher bandwidth packages.

Just a thought.

Wasn't thinking when I sent the original.. I am in Connecticut.. I looked at their site and found that their prices were very competitive, but it looked like the cap for the midprice subscription is 16gigs a month. another thing that bothers is: "In cases of extreme and continued violation of the FAP limitations, your service may be suspended. WildBlue may use other traffic management and prioritization tools to help ensure equitable access to the WildBlue network for all customers. Your WildBlue Internet access is not guaranteed and is subject to this FAP." I would hate to pay the 479 for the equipment just have the service canceled cause I went over for a couple of months...

On Sat, 2005-11-19 at 16:50 -0500, James Knott wrote:

Langsley wrote:

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On Saturday November 19 2005 12:42 pm, Adolph & Sharon Weidanz wrote: That's what I use because I'm out in the corn fields of Indiana and there is no other "broadband" service available.While they do have some download restrictions they're a lot more liberal than any of the others I've found, particularly if you choose one of the higher bandwidth packages.

So, how much does a barbed wire modem cost? ;-)

I have been reading articles lately of broadband running through the power cable and being tested in some areas. You may not need to invent the barbed wire modem after all. -- Ken Schneider UNIX since 1989, linux since 1994, SuSE since 1998

James Knott wrote:

Ken Schneider wrote:

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I have been reading articles lately of broadband running through the power cable and being tested in some areas. You may not need to invent the barbed wire modem after all.

You may have to write new laws of physics, to prevent interference issues. BPL pollutes the radio spectrum.

For internet over power cables? Not at all, that's been around a long time. The power company in my home town were runnnig tests with that 5 or 6 years ago. You don't get incredible speeds, but it's quite usable and not *that* slow

Anders Johansson wrote:

James Knott wrote:

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Ken Schneider wrote:

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I have been reading articles lately of broadband running through the power cable and being tested in some areas. You may not need to invent the barbed wire modem after all.

You may have to write new laws of physics, to prevent interference issues. BPL pollutes the radio spectrum.

For internet over power cables? Not at all, that's been around a long time. The power company in my home town were runnnig tests with that 5 or 6 years ago. You don't get incredible speeds, but it's quite usable and not *that* slow

The only system that doesn't generate significant amounts of interference is one developed by Motorola, which uses only the low voltage, local distribution wires. Others also use the higher voltage lines over longer distances, which are far worse. However, all BPL systems generate radio frequency energy and send it over lines that were never designed to carry such signals. As a result, they leak like a sieve, both in and out, which means that not only do such systems generate interference, but they're also suscetible to interference from nearby transmitters. While filtering and tuning can be used to reduce interference on specific frequencies, the bottom line is that power lines, when used to carry RF, will radiate some of it. That is impossible to get around, because of the laws of physics. There have been plenty of reports of such interference, to the point that some utilities have withdrawn those services. I suggest you get a receiver that's capable of being tuned over the spectrum used by BPL and see how much interference it actually causes. You might be suprised.

At 04:12 AM 21/11/2005, Ken Schneider wrote:

On Sat, 2005-11-19 at 16:50 -0500, James Knott wrote:

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Langsley wrote:

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On Saturday November 19 2005 12:42 pm, Adolph & Sharon Weidanz wrote: That's what I use because I'm out in the corn fields of Indiana and there is no other "broadband" service available.While they do have some download restrictions they're a lot more liberal than any of the others I've found, particularly if you choose one of the higher bandwidth packages.

So, how much does a barbed wire modem cost? ;-)

I have been reading articles lately of broadband running through the power cable and being tested in some areas. You may not need to invent the barbed wire modem after all.

we, down under, have also been playing with this. It seems that a number of the power companies down here run it over their high-voltage lines to control their switchpoints so it must in some fashion work. My worry would be how it will handle packets in the countryside, where such nasty things as electric fences reside as quite a number are only relay vibrator units and that would put quite a bit of "frequency trash" on the line. regards scsijon