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James F. Pirtle

9 Dec 2004 9 Dec '04

03:55

Hello list; Thinking of moving from 9.1 Professional to 9.2 Professional. Any reasons why I shouldn't? Any problems that jump out of nowhere? Thanks in advance. -- "God bless us everyone."

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Sunny

9 Dec 9 Dec

03:56

New subject: [SLE] 9.1 v 9.2

On Wednesday 08 December 2004 21:55, James F. Pirtle wrote:

Hello list;

Thinking of moving from 9.1 Professional to 9.2 Professional. Any reasons why I shouldn't? Any problems that jump out of nowhere?

Thanks in advance. -- "God bless us everyone."

How about - don't fix it if it works :) Seriously, I already have installed 2 machines with 9.2 for friends. I do not see any reason to upgrade mine 9.1. You can install KDE 3.3, and if you wish, newer kernels. So, yes, why should I. Sunny -- Get Firefox http://www.spreadfirefox.com/?q=affiliates&id=10745&t=85

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Doug McGarrett

04:24

New subject: [SLE] 9.1 v 9.2

At 09:55 PM 12/8/2004 -0600, James F. Pirtle wrote:

Hello list;

Thinking of moving from 9.1 Professional to 9.2 Professional. Any reasons why I shouldn't? Any problems that jump out of nowhere?

/snip/ I ran 9.1 for about 4 months without problems, then it crashed and burned, and I could not fix it. I ran 9.2 for about 3 weeks, and things started to go repeatedly wrong, and I gave up. The sad story is in the archives. A number of folks said that they thought that the Novell version was half-baked, so maybe it isn't just me that was/is unhappy.

From what I have read on the list, 9.0 was a better version than either of its descendants, but I never had that one.

I am going to try another brand shortly. (I don't think it's a hardware problem. I'm running the hated XP Windows on the same machine without difficulty.) But I do want to go back to Linux, if and when I can, and I find the ambition to go thru it all again with another set of rules. --doug

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Jeffrey L. Taylor

04:30

New subject: [SLE] 9.1 v 9.2

Quoting Doug McGarrett : [snip]

I am going to try another brand shortly. (I don't think it's a hardware problem. I'm running the hated XP Windows on the same machine without difficulty.)

This is not a very reliable indicator. WinXP and Linux stress hardware in different ways. Run memtest86 overnight to check memory. This is often the case of runs okay under Windows and fails under Linux. Also Linux uses low power/throttled back states that Windows never or seldom uses. Jeffrey

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Doug McGarrett

11 Dec 11 Dec

00:57

New subject: [SLE] 9.1 v 9.2: followup

At 10:30 PM 12/8/2004 -0600, Jeffrey L. Taylor wrote:

Quoting Doug McGarrett : [snip]

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I am going to try another brand shortly. (I don't think it's a hardware problem. I'm running the hated XP Windows on the same machine without difficulty.)

This is not a very reliable indicator. WinXP and Linux stress hardware in different ways. Run memtest86 overnight to check memory. This is often the case of runs okay under Windows and fails under Linux. Also Linux uses low power/throttled back states that Windows never or seldom uses.

Jeffrey

-- /snip//

I thought your suggestion was useful, so I downloaded the latest Memtest86, Ver. 3.2, and ran it for 20 hours and 36 passes, using "probed". There were 0 errors. I could not use "Bios-all" as everything turned red instantly. The MOBO is ASUS P4PE. The HD's are IBM, and the CD(RW) and DVD player are SCSI, as is the scanner. (This probaly does not affect the memtest protocols.) CPU is Intel P4 at 2.4 GHz. Memory is 1 Gig 133. Thanx for the idea. Sort of reinforces the fact that the problem(s) come with 9.2. --doug

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Patrick Shanahan

01:45

New subject: [SLE] 9.1 v 9.2: followup

* Doug McGarrett [12-10-04 19:57]:

/snip//

I thought your suggestion was useful, so I downloaded the latest Memtest86, Ver. 3.2, and ran it for 20 hours and 36 passes, using "probed". There were 0 errors. I could not use "Bios-all" as everything turned red instantly. The MOBO is ASUS P4PE. The HD's are IBM, and the CD(RW) and DVD player are SCSI, as is the scanner. (This probaly does not affect the memtest protocols.) CPU is Intel P4 at 2.4 GHz. Memory is 1 Gig 133.

Thanx for the idea. Sort of reinforces the fact that the problem(s) come with 9.2.

No, your supposition is *incorrect*. It indicates that there *probably* is not memory problems. -- Patrick Shanahan Registered Linux User #207535 http://wahoo.no-ip.org @ http://counter.li.org HOG # US1244711 Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/photos

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Doug B

02:06

New subject: [SLE] 9.1 v 9.2: followup

On Friday 10 December 2004 06:57 pm, Doug McGarrett wrote:

Thanx for the idea. Sort of reinforces the fact that the problem(s) come with 9.2.

I few weeks ago I was ready to toss my amd64 box out the window. I never got a stable 9.1 install going. I ordered 9.2 and tried it. I tried the nforce drives for my board. I tried the new sk98lin nic driver. I tried Mandrake, Debian, and Gentoo. I finally tried a 9.2 install with acpi turned off. The install went perfect and other than a bit of trouble getting the nvidia graphics driver working right, it has been rock solid. I came from RedHat into Suse 9.0 (on a different box than this one). Of all the 9.x, I like 9.2 best. Doug

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Bruce Marshall

9 Dec 9 Dec

13:06

New subject: [SLE] 9.1 v 9.2

On Wednesday 08 December 2004 11:24 pm, Doug McGarrett wrote:

At 09:55 PM 12/8/2004 -0600, James F. Pirtle wrote:

...
Hello list;

Thinking of moving from 9.1 Professional to 9.2 Professional. Any reasons

why

...
I shouldn't? Any problems that jump out of nowhere?

/snip/

I ran 9.1 for about 4 months without problems, then it crashed and burned, and I could not fix it. I ran 9.2 for about 3 weeks, and things started to go repeatedly wrong, and I gave up. The sad story is in the archives.

A number of folks said that they thought that the Novell version was half-baked, so maybe it isn't just me that was/is unhappy.

...
From what I have read on the list, 9.0 was a better version than

either of its descendants, but I never had that one.

I am going to try another brand shortly. (I don't think it's a hardware problem. I'm running the hated XP Windows on the same machine without difficulty.) But I do want to go back to Linux, if and when I can, and I find the ambition to go thru it all again with another set of rules.

--doug

Please report back after you've run the 'other brand' for an equal period of time. Many of us have run 9.0, 9.1, and now 9.2 without any problems. It could be something you are doing wrong or a problem with your setup.... :-)

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Brad Bourn

15:06

New subject: [SLE] 9.1 v 9.2

ditto, and I like 9.2 best for my laptop. none previous was able to do what 9.2 does. B-) On Thursday 09 December 2004 06:06 am, Bruce Marshall wrote:

On Wednesday 08 December 2004 11:24 pm, Doug McGarrett wrote:

...
At 09:55 PM 12/8/2004 -0600, James F. Pirtle wrote:

...
Hello list;

Thinking of moving from 9.1 Professional to 9.2 Professional. Any reasons

why

...
I shouldn't? Any problems that jump out of nowhere?

/snip/

I ran 9.1 for about 4 months without problems, then it crashed and burned, and I could not fix it. I ran 9.2 for about 3 weeks, and things started to go repeatedly wrong, and I gave up. The sad story is in the archives.

A number of folks said that they thought that the Novell version was half-baked, so maybe it isn't just me that was/is unhappy.

...
From what I have read on the list, 9.0 was a better version than

either of its descendants, but I never had that one.

I am going to try another brand shortly. (I don't think it's a hardware problem. I'm running the hated XP Windows on the same machine without difficulty.) But I do want to go back to Linux, if and when I can, and I find the ambition to go thru it all again with another set of rules.

--doug

Please report back after you've run the 'other brand' for an equal period of time.

Many of us have run 9.0, 9.1, and now 9.2 without any problems. It could be something you are doing wrong or a problem with your setup.... :-)

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Shawn Faulkingham

15:41

New subject: [SLE] 9.1 v 9.2

Brad Bourn wrote:

ditto, and I like 9.2 best for my laptop.

none previous was able to do what 9.2 does.

B-)

On Thursday 09 December 2004 06:06 am, Bruce Marshall wrote:

...
On Wednesday 08 December 2004 11:24 pm, Doug McGarrett wrote:

...
At 09:55 PM 12/8/2004 -0600, James F. Pirtle wrote:

...
Hello list;

Thinking of moving from 9.1 Professional to 9.2 Professional. Any reasons

why

...
I shouldn't? Any problems that jump out of nowhere?

/snip/

I ran 9.1 for about 4 months without problems, then it crashed and burned, and I could not fix it. I ran 9.2 for about 3 weeks, and things started to go repeatedly wrong, and I gave up. The sad story is in the archives.

A number of folks said that they thought that the Novell version was half-baked, so maybe it isn't just me that was/is unhappy.

...
From what I have read on the list, 9.0 was a better version than

either of its descendants, but I never had that one.

I am going to try another brand shortly. (I don't think it's a hardware problem. I'm running the hated XP Windows on the same machine without difficulty.) But I do want to go back to Linux, if and when I can, and I find the ambition to go thru it all again with another set of rules.

--doug

Please report back after you've run the 'other brand' for an equal period of time.

Many of us have run 9.0, 9.1, and now 9.2 without any problems. It could be something you are doing wrong or a problem with your setup.... :-)

I would have to agree as well, as I have an Compaq/HP Evo N800w (mobile workstation) that I could not get any major distro (save knoppix live and Xandros) to work correctly. I was even able to easily get the W200 wireless working, in which there had been no drivers to date for it. Orinoco_usb has worked wonders for it, even though I have a "tainted" kernel... -- Shawn Faulkingham Director of IT Systems Indoff Incorporated http://www.indoff.com

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Steve Kratz

14:14

New subject: [SLE] 9.1 v 9.2

I am going to try another brand shortly. (I don't think it's a hardware problem. I'm running the hated XP Windows on the same machine without difficulty.) But I do want to go back to Linux, if and when I can, and I find the ambition to go thru it all again with another set of rules.

9.2 definately seems a little touchier on my old Thinkpad Laptop (The thing should be retired! But since it does run Linux decently for web browsing, email, etc., I keep it around, and spend a little extra time to tweak things)... One of the biggest "show stoppers" is the fact that 9.2 comes with a buggy Kernal that affects certain ACPI functions - My laptop totally chokes on this kernel after rebooting. If I fail to have a 'net connection at the initial install time so I can do the YOU kernel update, the machine freezes within a couple minutes of booting. Fedora Core 2 & 3 work right out of the box on it. However, I love having 95% of the configuration in one spot - YaST, so I'll deal with the quirks.

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Carl William Spitzer IV

10 Dec 10 Dec

16:57

New subject: [SLE] 9.1 v 9.2

On Wed, 2004-12-08 at 20:24, Doug McGarrett wrote:

At 09:55 PM 12/8/2004 -0600, James F. Pirtle wrote:

...
Hello list;

Thinking of moving from 9.1 Professional to 9.2 Professional. Any reasons why I shouldn't? Any problems that jump out of nowhere?

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Michael James

9 Dec 9 Dec

07:02

New subject: [SLE] 9.1 v 9.2

On Thu, 9 Dec 2004 02:55 pm, James F. Pirtle wrote:

Thinking of moving from 9.1 Professional to 9.2 Professional. Any reasons why I shouldn't? Any problems that jump out of nowhere? From my experience on ITX and an old Dual PIII

Suse 9.2 - powersaved = brilliant Suse 9.2 + powersaved = Hey, my keyboard locked up, capslock doesn't even work. Machine doesn't ping; time to pull the plug. Actually powersaved is running fine on my work computer a modern P4. Maybe that's it, old BIOS or buggy longhaul driver and ||8^( michaelj

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Joe Polk

20:24

New subject: [SLE] 9.1 v 9.2

In my opinion, SuSE 9.2 is just too buggy for use. I realize others use it without any issue but I've had problems and so have many others. My system freezing is the main issue. I'm also disappointed in seeing menu item mistakes and a still-screwed-up KMenu editor. I think basic QA wasn't followed on some of the problems. Even if I didn't have system freezes, I'd still have a mistakes in the menu that the editor may or may not even fix. That aside, you have about a 50% chance you won't have any major problems. Send me $50 and I'll send you my boxed set that I bought for $80 and can't return. Or make an offer. :) -- <<JAV>> ---------- Original Message ----------- From: "James F. Pirtle" To: SuSE list Sent: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 21:55:33 -0600 Subject: [SLE] 9.1 v 9.2

Hello list;

Thinking of moving from 9.1 Professional to 9.2 Professional. Any reasons why I shouldn't? Any problems that jump out of nowhere?

Thanks in advance. -- "God bless us everyone."

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Brad Bourn
Bruce Marshall
Carl William Spitzer IV
Doug B
Doug McGarrett
James F. Pirtle
Jeffrey L. Taylor
Joe Polk
Michael James
Patrick Shanahan
Shawn Faulkingham
Steve Kratz
Sunny