On 06.03.22 04:19, Bill Swisher wrote:

On 3/5/22 19:52, Stevens wrote:

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"Wed, Jun 8, 2022       Public Availability of the Release

Well that is 3 months from now.  But then again I remember ordering a release of Mandrake because after installing the CD, not a DVD because nobody had DVD players, I would be able to UPGRADE!  Wouldn't ever have to scrub the drive and do a complete install anymore, let me tell you using vi to go in and modify all those files to get the X-Windows running was a real pain.

Personally I almost always do a complete re-install. It does get rid of quite some junk that has accumulated over time. Not any leftovers from package uninstalls, I trust that that works, but rather packages I had installed but, for some reason, didn't need (anymore). I always have two root partitions that I alternate between, so I always have the previous install for reference. My 2cts, Josef -- SUSE Software Solutions Germany GmbH Maxfeldstr. 5 90409 Nürnberg Germany (HRB 36809, AG Nürnberg) Geschäftsführer: Ivo Totev

On 3/7/22 9:13 AM, Bob Rogers wrote:

From: Josef Moellers Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2022 08:20:41 +0100

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Personally I almost always do a complete re-install . . .

I always have two root partitions that I alternate between, so I always have the previous install for reference.

My 2cts,

Josef

That's my strategy as well. It also gives me a fallback, in case the installation doesn't go well (I have a lot of old hardware), or an update fails for some reason (fortunately much less common these days).

-- Bob Rogers http://www.rgrjr.com/

Bob & Josef - (and anyone else) That has been my strategy also since an upgrade once didn't go well. And that is an understatement. Now I treat all "upgrades" as new installs, especially if I am going from x.0 to x.4. My trust level in the upgrade process is zero, just like my trust of backup/restore and encrypt/decrypt partitions. Maybe all is sunshine and rainbows nowdays but I ain't buying it. Too many scars on my posterior for that. Experience is a wonderful teacher. Fred

On 2022-03-14 15:04, Stevens wrote:

On 3/7/22 9:13 AM, Bob Rogers wrote:

Bob & Josef - (and anyone else)

That has been my strategy also since an upgrade once didn't go well. And that is an understatement. Now I treat all "upgrades" as new installs, especially if I am going from x.0 to x.4. My trust level in the upgrade process is zero, just like my trust of backup/restore and encrypt/decrypt partitions. Maybe all is sunshine and rainbows nowdays but I ain't buying it. Too many scars on my posterior for that. Experience is a wonderful teacher.

I have been upgrading this machine all the way up from SuSE 6.2 or there abouts, more than twenty years ago. Only once did it fail. I learned why, and it has never failed me again in any of my computers. I reccomend to take the chance to do a full backup before attempting any upgrade. If the upgrade fails, you can either: 1 find out why 2 recover the backup 3 retry the upgrade, taking action to avoid the problem or install fresh, knowing that no file has been lost, because you have a backup. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.3 x86_64 at Telcontar)

On 15/03/2022 16.14, Bob Rogers wrote:

From: "Carlos E. R." <> Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2022 21:04:19 +0100

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I reccomend to take the chance to do a full backup before attempting any upgrade . . .

If you do a fresh install into a new partition, you don't need to make a backup, because the installation in the old partition becomes the backup. And you don't even need to restore it again.

You always need to do a backup, no matter what else you do >:-) -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from openSUSE 15.3 (Legolas))

We should definitely add the backup part here :-) https://en.opensuse.org/SDB:System_upgrade I did meanwhile copied the text from https://en.opensuse.org/SDB:How_to_migrate_to_SLE#Emergency_Rollback part that I wrote some time ago to https://en.opensuse.org/SDB:System_upgrade#Backup If you have any other recommended suggestions for perhaps other filesystems, then I suggest to create a separate page similar to https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Snapper_Tutorial and link it from the SDB:System_upgrade, just like in case of snapper. Hope it helps Carlos E. R. píše v Út 15. 03. 2022 v 18:34 +0100:

On 15/03/2022 16.14, Bob Rogers wrote:

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    From: "Carlos E. R." <>     Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2022 21:04:19 +0100

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    I reccomend to take the chance to do a full backup before attempting     any upgrade . . .

If you do a fresh install into a new partition, you don't need to make a backup, because the installation in the old partition becomes the backup.  And you don't even need to restore it again.

You always need to do a backup, no matter what else you do >:-)

-- Cheers / Saludos,

                Carlos E. R.

   (from openSUSE 15.3 (Legolas))

-- Best regards Lubos Kocman openSUSE Leap Release Manager

On Mon, Mar 07, Simon Lees wrote:

Currently 18 months is approximately what we are offering at the moment, if things are working correctly we have a year between minor version updates and then 6 months after the next release has been updated to upgrade.

15.4 will be a bit of an exception (It will have a larger number of updated packages) but with the Leap 15 series we have gone to a bit of a different model where 15.0 was a new major version and 15.1, 15.2 and 15.3 have been "Minor" updates where not as much has changed. For example Leap 15.1 and 15.3 didn't get Gnome or KDE updates so the number of other changes there was relatively small, 15.4 will get updates to later versions of Gnome and KDE because that's what alot of people want. So its not like our older versions where every new version was a new actual version, now Leap follows SLE service packs.

ISTR that the "SuSE way" was to do .{0,1,2,3} for any major version, and then next major. So I would have expected the successor to 15.3 to be 16.0. If that is NOT the case anymore, could you give or point to some more detailed explanation of the new plan? Thanks. Michael -- Michael Fischer michael@visv.net