Re: [SLE] The future of SuSE Linux as we know it?
-------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Allen <slackwarewolf@comcast.net>
On Tuesday 04 April 2006 12:32 pm, lerninlinux@comcast.net wrote:
taking a couple of older ones, and trying things like Gentoo on them, so I learn more about how things work. As I am not sure what I know, and what distro's like Suse, help make easy for me.
Why Gentoo? It's not even hard to install, if you want something that REALLY makes you work try Detuxx, Linux from Hell. A gentoo fan boy I know decided to try it and gave up.
Simply to make me learn more of the command line, and text functions. Not to give myself a headache. I also want to expand out the other way, and run x remotely (not vnc). Just to learn.
On Tuesday 04 April 2006 08:47 pm, lerninlinux@comcast.net wrote:
-------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Allen <slackwarewolf@comcast.net>
On Tuesday 04 April 2006 12:32 pm, lerninlinux@comcast.net wrote:
taking a couple of older ones, and trying things like Gentoo on them, so I learn more about how things work. As I am not sure what I know, and what distro's like Suse, help make easy for me.
Why Gentoo? It's not even hard to install, if you want something that REALLY makes you work try Detuxx, Linux from Hell. A gentoo fan boy I know decided to try it and gave up.
Simply to make me learn more of the command line, and text functions. Not to give myself a headache.
I also want to expand out the other way, and run x remotely (not vnc).
Just to learn.
By the way, not to take this too off-topic, but I just got the April Linux-Magazine Pro and it includes the DVD for Mandriva One. They had shipped Mandriva 2005 in the middle of last year. I'll take it for a spin, as it is live. -- kai - www.perfectreign.com www.livebeans.com - the new NetBeans community 43...for those who require slightly more than the answer to life, the universe and everything.
Il giorno mar, 04/04/2006 alle 21.22 -0700, kai ha scritto:
By the way, not to take this too off-topic, but I just got the April Linux-Magazine Pro and it includes the DVD for Mandriva One. They had shipped Mandriva 2005 in the middle of last year.
I'll take it for a spin, as it is live.
you'll find a distro much more "unpolished" than SUSE actually is ... -- nicola .:kOoLiNuS:. losito http://koolinus.wordpress.com http://www.koolinus.net "If privacy is outlawed, only outlaws will have privacy." Linux Registered User #293182
On Wed, 05 Apr 2006 15:03:50 +0200, you wrote:
Il giorno mar, 04/04/2006 alle 21.22 -0700, kai ha scritto:
By the way, not to take this too off-topic, but I just got the April Linux-Magazine Pro and it includes the DVD for Mandriva One. They had shipped Mandriva 2005 in the middle of last year.
I'll take it for a spin, as it is live.
you'll find a distro much more "unpolished" than SUSE actually is ...
Not only is it 'unpolished' (good word choice) but you'll want to beat the Mandriva people over the head with their 'club' in fairly short order - you can do very little without paying them for that. I came from Mandrake to SuSE and have consistantly been happy I did so. From what I hear, Mandriva is two steps further down the ladder than Mandrake was. Mike- -- If you're not confused, you're not trying hard enough. -- Please note - Due to the intense volume of spam, we have installed site-wide spam filters at catherders.com. If email from you bounces, try non-HTML, non-encoded, non-attachments,
On 05/04/06, Michael W Cocke <cocke@catherders.com> wrote:
Not only is it 'unpolished' (good word choice) but you'll want to beat the Mandriva people over the head with their 'club' in fairly short order - you can do very little without paying them for that. I came from Mandrake to SuSE and have consistantly been happy I did so. From what I hear, Mandriva is two steps further down the ladder than Mandrake was.
Mike- --
Ha, ha, ha :-) you should try Linspire then...no, on second thoughts please don't. I'd take Mandriva over Linspire anyday. That is truly one awful Linux distro. I still don't really know who it is aimed at. It's simpler than simple MS Windows is so they can't be looking for converts there. Everything is done with root privileges....why???? I've seen the arguments by the Linspire CEO and I don't buy them. -- ============================================== I am only human, please forgive me if I make a mistake it is not deliberate. ============================================== Xmas may be over but, PLEASE DON'T drink and drive you'll make it to the next one that way. Kevan Farmer Linux user #373362 Cheslyn Hay Staffordshire WS6 7HR
On Wednesday 05 April 2006 09:03 am, nicola .:kOoLiNuS:. losito wrote:
Il giorno mar, 04/04/2006 alle 21.22 -0700, kai ha scritto:
By the way, not to take this too off-topic, but I just got the April Linux-Magazine Pro and it includes the DVD for Mandriva One. They had shipped Mandriva 2005 in the middle of last year.
I'll take it for a spin, as it is live.
you'll find a distro much more "unpolished" than SUSE actually is ...
Consider most such disks are made from downloading and modifying slightly public available distributions. For example I purchased a SuSE book that had SuSE10.0 in it. What I found was that the included disk contained a version of SuSE10.0 that was neither the OpenSuSE 10.0 version or the official SuSE 10.0 version but a modified version that would not up date by either OpenSuSE of official SuSE as it had been modified... Considering this what I suspect you have is this type of distribution. Now realize that Mandriva does not post it's latest version openly only a beta version. The current version is only available if you pay a yearly subscription fee equal to the fee that SuSE charge for a box set in which you get the books and the disks. Also consider, Mandrake before the merger was not noted for the quality of its software; apparently the could never manage to get over about 95% operating at any one time as on updates breakage was just about equal to fixes. As far as I can figure Mandrake 10.1 was the last usable distribution developed. The later versions appear to have nothing but file updates of the 10.1. Another point, is that there was a lot of discontent on the Mandriva BB; that is there was up-until a few months ago. Since then traffic has halved. My personal opinion of this is !@#$%^&* followed by a clinking sound of trash hitting the bottom of the circular bin. SOTL
On 05/04/06, SOTL <sotl155360@earthlink.net> wrote:
On Wednesday 05 April 2006 09:03 am, nicola .:kOoLiNuS:. losito wrote:
Il giorno mar, 04/04/2006 alle 21.22 -0700, kai ha scritto:
By the way, not to take this too off-topic, but I just got the April Linux-Magazine Pro and it includes the DVD for Mandriva One. They had shipped Mandriva 2005 in the middle of last year.
I'll take it for a spin, as it is live.
you'll find a distro much more "unpolished" than SUSE actually is ...
Consider most such disks are made from downloading and modifying slightly public available distributions.
For example I purchased a SuSE book that had SuSE10.0 in it. What I found was that the included disk contained a version of SuSE10.0 that was neither the OpenSuSE 10.0 version or the official SuSE 10.0 version but a modified version that would not up date by either OpenSuSE of official SuSE as it had been modified...
Considering this what I suspect you have is this type of distribution.
Now realize that Mandriva does not post it's latest version openly only a beta version. The current version is only available if you pay a yearly subscription fee equal to the fee that SuSE charge for a box set in which you get the books and the disks.
Also consider, Mandrake before the merger was not noted for the quality of its software; apparently the could never manage to get over about 95% operating at any one time as on updates breakage was just about equal to fixes. As far as I can figure Mandrake 10.1 was the last usable distribution developed. The later versions appear to have nothing but file updates of the 10.1.
Another point, is that there was a lot of discontent on the Mandriva BB; that is there was up-until a few months ago. Since then traffic has halved.
My personal opinion of this is !@#$%^&* followed by a clinking sound of trash hitting the bottom of the circular bin.
SOTL
Hmmm, I have to say that from what I have heard, the great majority of Linux users in the UK are very happy with the distro's that come with the Linux oriented magazines. I've used many and usually don't have any problems with them updating etc. I've also got a few different SuSE versions that have come with books. Two from the 'Bible' series, both of which update perfectly. Perhaps I have been lucky? -- ============================================== I am only human, please forgive me if I make a mistake it is not deliberate. ============================================== Xmas may be over but, PLEASE DON'T drink and drive you'll make it to the next one that way. Kevan Farmer Linux user #373362 Cheslyn Hay Staffordshire WS6 7HR
On Wednesday 05 April 2006 06:03 am, nicola .:kOoLiNuS:. losito wrote:
Il giorno mar, 04/04/2006 alle 21.22 -0700, kai ha scritto:
By the way, not to take this too off-topic, but I just got the April Linux-Magazine Pro and it includes the DVD for Mandriva One. They had shipped Mandriva 2005 in the middle of last year.
I'll take it for a spin, as it is live.
you'll find a distro much more "unpolished" than SUSE actually
Well, that may or may not be. I wasn't intending on starting a "my-distro-is-better-than-yours" type of flamefest. I just wanted to point out that the distribution is available to try out, if someone wanted. I personally like to spend a few minutes with different distributions. Though I see no reason to move away from SUSE - unless The Big Red N really screws it up like they did with NetWare - there's nothing lost from seeing what others are up to. Now on to reading further in the magazine where they discuss animation in Blender. That just sounds way too cool! Besides, it is raining so there's absolutely nothing else to do. (Except drink beer.) -- kai - www.perfectreign.com www.livebeans.com - the new NetBeans community 43...for those who require slightly more than the answer to life, the universe and everything.
On 05/04/06, kai <kai@perfectreign.com> wrote:
Now on to reading further in the magazine where they discuss animation in Blender. That just sounds way too cool! Besides, it is raining so there's absolutely nothing else to do. (Except drink beer.)
It's a pretty good tutorial, Kai. You'll enjoy it :-) The internet radio bit was quite good. Apart from the fact that they left out one major biggie.....nobody mentioned LUG radio. It's close to my heart because the founders are also members of one of my local LUGs. -- ============================================== I am only human, please forgive me if I make a mistake it is not deliberate. ============================================== Xmas may be over but, PLEASE DON'T drink and drive you'll make it to the next one that way. Kevan Farmer Linux user #373362 Cheslyn Hay Staffordshire WS6 7HR
On Wednesday 05 April 2006 02:44 pm, Kevanf1 wrote:
On 05/04/06, kai <kai@perfectreign.com> wrote:
Now on to reading further in the magazine where they discuss animation in Blender. That just sounds way too cool! Besides, it is raining so there's absolutely nothing else to do. (Except drink beer.)
It's a pretty good tutorial, Kai. You'll enjoy it :-) The internet radio bit was quite good. Apart from the fact that they left out one major biggie.....nobody mentioned LUG radio. It's close to my heart because the founders are also members of one of my local LUGs.
LOL! You might check into the FOSDEM section. I think they mentioned a few LUG's there. One question. They mentioned using Blender 2.4, which is current on the website. I have 2.3x, which came with SuSE. Now I downloaded 2.4 and it simply created a 2.4 binary in a monster subdirectory. running it from command line - ./blender gets me that version. Doing a which blender shows version 2.3 in /usr/bin Will I kill things if I copy over the 2.3 version? -- kai - www.perfectreign.com www.livebeans.com - the new NetBeans community 43...for those who require slightly more than the answer to life, the universe and everything.
On 05/04/06, kai <kai@perfectreign.com> wrote:
On Wednesday 05 April 2006 02:44 pm, Kevanf1 wrote:
On 05/04/06, kai <kai@perfectreign.com> wrote:
Now on to reading further in the magazine where they discuss animation in Blender. That just sounds way too cool! Besides, it is raining so there's absolutely nothing else to do. (Except drink beer.)
It's a pretty good tutorial, Kai. You'll enjoy it :-) The internet radio bit was quite good. Apart from the fact that they left out one major biggie.....nobody mentioned LUG radio. It's close to my heart because the founders are also members of one of my local LUGs.
LOL! You might check into the FOSDEM section. I think they mentioned a few LUG's there.
One question. They mentioned using Blender 2.4, which is current on the website. I have 2.3x, which came with SuSE.
Now I downloaded 2.4 and it simply created a 2.4 binary in a monster subdirectory.
running it from command line - ./blender gets me that version. Doing a which blender shows version 2.3 in /usr/bin
Will I kill things if I copy over the 2.3 version?
--
Now that I don't know...Have you got a spare hard drive that you can try this sort of thing on? If it all goes wrong it doesn't matter this way. It's what I usally do :-) -- ============================================== I am only human, please forgive me if I make a mistake it is not deliberate. ============================================== Xmas may be over but, PLEASE DON'T drink and drive you'll make it to the next one that way. Kevan Farmer Linux user #373362 Cheslyn Hay Staffordshire WS6 7HR
On Tuesday 04 April 2006 11:47 pm, lerninlinux@comcast.net wrote:
-------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Allen <slackwarewolf@comcast.net>
On Tuesday 04 April 2006 12:32 pm, lerninlinux@comcast.net wrote:
taking a couple of older ones, and trying things like Gentoo on them, so I learn more about how things work. As I am not sure what I know, and what distro's like Suse, help make easy for me.
Why Gentoo? It's not even hard to install, if you want something that REALLY makes you work try Detuxx, Linux from Hell. A gentoo fan boy I know decided to try it and gave up.
Simply to make me learn more of the command line, and text functions. Not to give myself a headache.
So why not open a terminal in SUSE and as root type init 3? I don't understand this... The gentoo install is stupid at stage 1 and the only reason peopel do it is for ego. Do you think that .... 2% speed increase maybe? Means anything to a user? No. And why did you send this to me off list, if I read and replied to you I'm obviously on this list. If you want to learn more of the "command line" then open a konsole and do it.
I also want to expand out the other way, and run x remotely (not vnc).
Just to learn.
So set up SSH and X11....
Simply to make me learn more of the command line, and text functions. Not to give myself a headache.
I also want to expand out the other way, and run x remotely (not vnc).
Just to learn.
An easier start would be to install SuSe with the minimun software packages selectio (no desktop) and try to configure and setup a few services (apache, ssh, mysql, ....), some using yast and then modifying the configuration files with vi (or another editor) and other (for instance proftpd or vsftpd) by compiling from source Regards, Gaël
On Wednesday 05 April 2006 2:55 am, Gaël Lams wrote:
Simply to make me learn more of the command line, and text functions. Not to give myself a headache.
I also want to expand out the other way, and run x remotely (not vnc).
Just to learn.
An easier start would be to install SuSe with the minimun software packages selectio (no desktop) and try to configure and setup a few services (apache, ssh, mysql, ....), some using yast and then modifying the configuration files with vi (or another editor) and other (for instance proftpd or vsftpd) by compiling from source
Regards,
Gaël
That's pretty much what I said. People seem tot hink they need another distro to learn something. I'm happy to hear at least someone else out there understands. OT: How do you pronounce your name? It seems German and if I'm correct it would sound like "Gah - ayle" in English.. I think lol. I'm terrible with Umlauts unless it's the U.
That's pretty much what I said. People seem tot hink they need another distro to learn something. I'm happy to hear at least someone else out there understands.
actually I discovered linux with a slackware 6/7 years ago (it was version 7 or 8, cd given to me by a friend, really formative experience, but, hum, difficult for a newbie like I was) then I move to redhat and since 5 years I use SuSe Professional on all my servers (9.0 and now 9.3) and most of what I learned has been on SuSe, including the use of vi, bash scripts, compilation from source, configuration of so many services (from proftp to openldap, qmail, .......). I still learn every day. I try from time to time other distributions, but well, for the time being never had to do something that I wasn't able to do in SuSe. Some glitches sometimes, but never really importants and the only distribution that would be like I want would be a distribution that I would build myself, maybe when I retired in 30 years :-) Kind regards, Gaël
OT:
How do you pronounce your name? It seems German and if I'm correct it would sound like "Gah - ayle" in English.. I think lol. I'm terrible with Umlauts unless it's the U.
It's a celtic name (I think it means foreigner, or something like that). In french we would pronounce it "ga - el"
On Thursday 06 April 2006 3:21 am, Gaël Lams wrote:
That's pretty much what I said. People seem tot hink they need another distro to learn something. I'm happy to hear at least someone else out there understands.
actually I discovered linux with a slackware 6/7 years ago (it was version 7 or 8, cd given to me by a friend, really formative
I use Slackware too. Good distro, and SUSE's Roots are in Slackware. I run a mixture here: This box is the first one I ever bought, it's a P3 733 MHz, A built in CD-Writer Drive and a built in DVD-ROM drive, with 384 MBs RAM, 17 inch Flatscreen... Paid almost 2 thousand dollars for it when I bought it. Dual booting Windows 98 SE And SUSE 9.3 Professional I use GNOME and KDE and lots of other Window Managers. Surprisingly it doesn't lag. 98 SE is there for old DOS games even though as you can tell I never owned a computer back then, but they are fun. It has a 43 GB HD (Yes, 43, unless Windows is isntalled it says 42.9) It has a 16 MB Nvidia card. The box next to it is a nice one, Intel Celeron 2.40 GHz, 128 MB Nvidia Ge Force FX, 512 RAM, an 80 GB HD and a 160 GB HD, A built in CD-Writer Drive and a built in DVD-ROM drive, and a 17 inch monitor. Speakers are nice on it too, two speakers and a sub woofer. Runs Slackware. Next to that is a Compaq Presario 6000 Desktop, AMD Athlon XP 2600+, 512 RAM, A built in CD-Writer Drive and a built in DVD-ROM drive, 120 GB HD, 17 inch monitor and 2 NICs, running SUSE. Then I have a laptop on that desk, which is a Pentium 4 Mobile running at 3.06 GHz, 512 RAM, 30 GB HD, with a 15 inch screen, and an Nvidia Ge Force FX card. Dual boots Windows XP, SUSE, and I'm putting Slackware on it right now. Then there is my Mom's old computer, Celeron 433 MHz, 192 RAM, 8 MB Video card, 80 GB HD... Dual booting Slackware 10.2 and FreeBSD 6.0 All of these share my 6 MB cable net connection with two routers, a Cisco switch, and Cat5E cable and Cat6. And my Mom's new computer is on there too, it has a 34 GB HD, 15 inch LCD, Celeron 2.5 GHz, 256 RAM running Windows XP. So that's my set up here, I had two more boxes but ex GFs decided to take them when we broke up.
experience, but, hum, difficult for a newbie like I was) then I move to redhat and since 5 years I use SuSe Professional on all my servers (9.0 and now 9.3) and most of what I learned has been on SuSe, including the use of vi, bash scripts, compilation from source, configuration of so many services (from proftp to openldap, qmail, .......).
Yea man, SUSE is awesome for learning, it's easy enough that you don't have to be an expert but they don't skimp you on tools for expert stuff too.
I still learn every day. I try from time to time other distributions, but well, for the time being never had to do something that I wasn't able to do in SuSe. Some glitches sometimes, but never really importants and the only distribution that would be like I want would be a distribution that I would build myself, maybe when I retired in 30 years :-)
Kind regards,
Gaël
OT:
How do you pronounce your name? It seems German and if I'm correct it would sound like "Gah - ayle" in English.. I think lol. I'm terrible with Umlauts unless it's the U.
It's a celtic name (I think it means foreigner, or something like that). In french we would pronounce it "ga - el"
Ah, thanks man. So if you're name is Celtic, you can pronounce Samhain properly right? :) (Everyone screws up the pronouncing of that word)...In the movie Halloween 2 they miss pronounce it too.
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