Ken Schneider wrote:

On Wed, 2004-10-06 at 20:46, Web Developer wrote:

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No, I missed the system requirements section somehow.

Thanks though.

Don

Seems you also missed the last line of my sig.

I still cannot understand why people need to send to the list and the poster when the poster is on the list to start with and gets a copy from the list.

Thank you for pointing out my failure to eliminate your private address from the reply box. I have to hit "Reply All" to be able to reply to the list, for some reason. Other lists I subscribe to allow me simply to use the reply button. The e-mail automatically goes to the list - not the sender. With the SUSE lists, I occasionally forget to delete the sender's private e-mail. It's never intentional, I assure you - unless the sender requests the private contact, of course. Perhaps SUSE could change the way the lists work? Doing so would eliminate such accidents. Most of the time, I do it right. Perhaps I should include in my tag line "Any submissions to your private e-mail account via this list, on my part, are purely accidental"? Seems to me it would be more intuitive to have the "relpy" button as the default method of responding. Then, if I need to add your private address, I can do so with the "Reply All" button (or manually). I use Mozilla Mail 1.7.2 If you know a way I can fix this to automagically reply to the list w/out offending everyone in the process, I'm all ears. -- DC Parris http://matheteuo.org/ http://chaddb.sourceforge.net/ "Free software is like God's love - you can share it with anyone anytime anywhere."

Today at 11:52pm, Jim Sabatke wrote:

Don Parris wrote:

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Thank you for pointing out my failure to eliminate your private address from the reply box. I have to hit "Reply All" to be able to reply to the list, for some reason. Other lists I subscribe to allow me simply to use the reply button. The e-mail automatically goes to the list - not the sender. With the SUSE lists, I occasionally forget to delete the sender's private e-mail. It's never intentional, I assure you - unless the sender requests the private contact, of course. Perhaps SUSE could change the way the lists work? Doing so would eliminate such accidents. Most of the time, I do it right. Perhaps I should include in my tag line "Any submissions to your private e-mail account via this list, on my part, are purely accidental"?

Seems to me it would be more intuitive to have the "relpy" button as the default method of responding. Then, if I need to add your private address, I can do so with the "Reply All" button (or manually). I use Mozilla Mail 1.7.2 If you know a way I can fix this to automagically reply to the list w/out offending everyone in the process, I'm all ears.

I do the same thing from time to time. I belong to a lot of lists, and 3 of them are setup to reply to sender, the rest reply to the list.

I do NOT want to start a war over this. I accept that this list is the way it is and I'm not going to change it. However, please understand that people will make mistakes when doing repetitive, automatic things, like replying to a list, especially when list response methods vary. On the other two lists with this setting, everyone just accepts that they are going to get an extra response. I try to not do that on any of them, and usually do remember. I just routinely delete the extra responses from others who haven't caught on. I don't know the OP's volume of email, but I get well over 1000 emails a day (not including spam), and tend to process things really quickly; I have to or I'd never get through everything. This can lead to such mistakes.

I have also accidently PO'd a number of people by accidently posting really OT, personal things that have no place on lists like this. It happens because I type in the reply address quickly, sometimes too quickly, especially when under stress. That's not the list's fault, it's mine, but to my mind, way to easy to do.

So, please have patience with others who probably have different thinking patterns and practices that may be different from yours, where the status quo can be confusing.

Regards to all,

Jim

Put the following recipe in your .procmailrc and you won't have the problems you describe: :0f * ^X-Mailinglist: suse-linux-e | formail -bfi "Reply-To:suse-linux-e@suse.com" Jim Cunning

* Leendert Meyer [10-07-04 03:49]:

There is another solution: Use KMail, and put a 'Reply to Mailinglist' button on the toolbar, just left of the 'Reply'-Combo button.

Or use mutt and use the 'Reply-To-List' function, <L>. Now, if there was just an easy, simple way to automagically correct the top quotes and delete the full-quotes and twenty-line sig's, we'd be home free, sigh! -- Patrick Shanahan Registered Linux User #207535 http://wahoo.no-ip.org @ http://counter.li.org HOG # US1244711 Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/photos

<SNIP>

Preferably on the mail server! ;P

Well, at least KMail does not include the /last/ sig in the quote. Better I select first what to quote. ;)

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-- Patrick Shanahan Registered Linux User #207535 http://wahoo.no-ip.org @ http://counter.li.org HOG # US1244711 Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/photos

Cheers,

Leen

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Point taken! <LOL> -- "Yogi" CH Namaste Yoga Studio

And you do not know where the <del> key is on your keyboard! --

If we're all just going to contribute to endless bantering back and forth, can we move this elsewhere? I'm extremely interested in knowing what's coming up in SuSE 9.2, and it gets OLD seeing "You should do this" "You didn't do that" "You should know to search google first" for however many messages in this thread listed as "new v9.2 is out" Linux gets a lot of its strength from community support, but when the supporters begin acting like it's a major bother for them to hit a few keys on a keyboard, people will say screw it and go back to Windows. My $.02.

On Thursday 07 October 2004 23:59, Steve Kratz wrote:

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And you do not know where the <del> key is on your keyboard!

If we're all just going to contribute to endless bantering back and forth, can we move this elsewhere?

Is there a suse-café mailinglist?

I'm extremely interested in knowing what's coming up in SuSE 9.2, and it gets OLD seeing "You should do this" "You didn't do that" "You should know to search google first" for however many messages in this thread listed as "new v9.2 is out"

Yup, sometimes a discussion moves away from the topic. Usually this is gradually, but at some point it would be better to choose a more appropriate subject.

Linux gets a lot of its strength from community support, but when the supporters begin acting like it's a major bother for them to hit a few keys on a keyboard, people will say screw it and go back to Windows.

Everybody is free to do that. ;P Cheers, Leen

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Thank you for pointing out my failure to eliminate your private address from the reply box. I have to hit "Reply All" to be able to reply to the list, for some reason. Other lists I subscribe to allow me simply to use the reply button. The e-mail automatically goes to the list - not the sender. With

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Seems to me it would be more intuitive to have the "relpy" button as the default method of responding. Then, if I need to add your private address, I can do so with the "Reply All" button (or manually). I use Mozilla Mail 1.7.2 If you know a way I can fix this to automagically reply to the list w/out offending everyone in the process, I'm all ears.

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I do the same thing from time to time. I belong to a lot of lists, and 3 of them are setup to reply to sender, the rest reply to the list.

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Put the following recipe in your .procmailrc and you won't have the

problems you describe: :0f

* ^X-Mailinglist: suse-linux-e

| formail -bfi "Reply-To:suse-linux-e@suse.com"

There is another solution: Use KMail, and put a 'Reply to Mailinglist' button on the toolbar, just left of the 'Reply'-Combo button.

You know, I must really be lucky. Using Kmail on 9.1, when I hit the reply icon, or 'r' or message > reply from the menu, I get suse-linux-e@suse.com in the To: field and nothing in the cc: field. No changes to make, no reply to all and delete the sender, no reply to list, just the usual reply. The only thing I can think of that *might* account for this is having all the messages filtered to its own folder and the folder properties set with suse-linux-e@suse.com in the 'Folder holds a mailing list' check box field. I also set the Identity: Sender to the identity used for this list so I don't accidently post from the wrong address and have it bounced. What ever the reason, I'm happy I don't have the reply problem! Doug

On Friday 08 Oct 2004 03:08, Doug B wrote:

Being unsure who wrote what, I decided to delete that: Big Pruning session

Well reply to list ids no problem here with Kmail 1.7 just hit "l" and up comes the reply box with the list address in the to box and no Cc address always been the same here .

What ever the reason, I'm happy I don't have the reply problem!

Doug

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On 23:45 Wed 06 Oct , Jim Cunning wrote: <SNIP>

Put the following recipe in your .procmailrc and you won't have the problems you describe:

:0f * ^X-Mailinglist: suse-linux-e | formail -bfi "Reply-To:suse-linux-e@suse.com"

Jim Cunning

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I followed this example & *still* the 'reply' function in mutt specifies only one address --yours. I wonder if I have the context correct in my .procmailrc file. Would you please elaborate a little more? For the most part, my rules work flawlessly but this one is really giving me a hard way to go. :-\ Thanks! -- "Yogi" CH Namaste Yoga Studio

On Thursday 07 October 2004 17:14, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

* yogi@tux2.gentoo [10-07-04 10:01]:

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I followed this example & *still* the 'reply' function in mutt specifies only one address --yours. I wonder if I have the context correct in my .procmailrc file. Would you please elaborate a little more? For the most part, my rules work flawlessly but this one is really giving me a hard way to go. :-\

Use the 'L', reply to list, available to mutt users and don't worry about the rest.

from /usr/share/doc/packages/mutt/manual.txt.gz: list-reply (default: L)

Kmail is the same. I use it most of the time.. Mike -- Powered by SuSE 9.1 Kernel 2.6.4 KDE 3.2.1 Kmail 1.6.2 For SuSE Mondo/Mindi backup support go to http://www.mikenjane.net/~mike 8:20pm up 5 days 11:26, 4 users, load average: 2.49, 2.25, 2.22

On 13:24 Thu 07 Oct , Patrick Shanahan wrote:

* Mike [10-07-04 13:21]:

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Kmail is the same. I use it most of the time..

The **problem** is not the email client or the list software, it's the USER, due to laziness, carelessness, ignorance or defiance.

-- Patrick Shanahan Registered Linux User #207535 http://wahoo.no-ip.org @ http://counter.li.org HOG # US1244711 Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/photos

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Perhaps... perhaps not. -- "Yogi" CH Namaste Yoga Studio

On Thursday 2004 October 7 16:40, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

* C Hamel [10-07-04 14:45]:

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Perhaps... perhaps not.

Well, you seem to be quite adept as posting old sigs. Which or what is your excuse? -- Patrick Shanahan Registered Linux User #207535 http://wahoo.no-ip.org @ http://counter.li.org HOG # US1244711 Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/photos Wasn't aware I needed one. -- "Yogi" CH Namaste Yoga Studio

* C Hamel [10-07-04 14:44]:

Therein lies the rub: 'l' is not bound to anything,

Not relevant and was not mentioned.

and 'L' replies w/no group found.

Your failure to properly configure mutt!

I read that in the mutt manual, as well.

read what?

Guess that begs the question as to exactly how this is set up, since what is in the .muttrc or .procmailrc seem not to work. :-|

Has nothing to do with procmail or .procmailrc. put into ~/.muttrc subscribe suse-linux-e IT IS IN THE DOC's. -- Patrick Shanahan Registered Linux User #207535 http://wahoo.no-ip.org @ http://counter.li.org HOG # US1244711 Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/photos

James, On Thursday 07 October 2004 10:23, James Knott wrote:

Jim Cunning wrote:

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Put the following recipe in your .procmailrc and you won't have the

problems you describe: :0f

* ^X-Mailinglist: suse-linux-e

| formail -bfi "Reply-To:suse-linux-e@suse.com"

Aren't you assuming that we're running procmail? How would someone who simply downloads their e-mail from an ISP make use of the above?

I see you're using Mozilla as your mail client and I'm not particularly familiar with its filtering capabilities, but I can (and will) describe how to do it with KMail: - Settings -> Configure Filters - Select or create a filter that matches posts to the SuSE list - Add or a Filter Action for "Add Header" Fill in the header name "Reply-To" Fill in the "With value:" "suse-linux-e" Simple! Randall Schulz

On 13:23 Thu 07 Oct , James Knott wrote:

Jim Cunning wrote:

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Put the following recipe in your .procmailrc and you won't have the problems you describe:

:0f * ^X-Mailinglist: suse-linux-e | formail -bfi "Reply-To:suse-linux-e@suse.com"

Aren't you assuming that we're running procmail? How would someone who simply downloads their e-mail from an ISP make use of the above?

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That is exactly what I have in my .procmailrc ...and it isn't working. I'm stumped. -- "Yogi" CH Namaste Yoga Studio

James Knott wrote:

Jim Cunning wrote:

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Put the following recipe in your .procmailrc and you won't have the problems you describe:

:0f * ^X-Mailinglist: suse-linux-e | formail -bfi "Reply-To:suse-linux-e@suse.com"

Aren't you assuming that we're running procmail? How would someone who simply downloads their e-mail from an ISP make use of the above?

Does procmail fit into a working fetchmail/postfix/cyrus imap system? Thanks, Jim

On Thursday 07 October 2004 11:23, James Knott wrote:

Jim Cunning wrote:

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Put the following recipe in your .procmailrc and you won't have the

problems you describe: :0f

* ^X-Mailinglist: suse-linux-e

| formail -bfi "Reply-To:suse-linux-e@suse.com"

Aren't you assuming that we're running procmail? How would someone who simply downloads their e-mail from an ISP make use of the above?

Or, how about just using Kmail and configure the Folder to set the "Folder holds mailing list option", and then setup the Filter option for a particular mailing list? Or, as someone else mentioned, using the L (list reply) for Mutt. (this has to be setup in you're muttrc file btw, if I remember correctly that is!) Besides that, isn't procmail just for "incoming sort"? Normally you're MTA takes care of conversions of local to real mail addresses. (like Postfix via sender_canonical_maps and recipient_canonical_maps, say mail for postmaster@yourdomain.com would go to bob@localhost and bob@localhost would convert to bob@yourdomain.com when sending) Just a few suggestions here, obviously it varies for what mail client you're using and such. Hopefully I helped a little here, since I've missed most of this thread. Dana