Hello, In the Message; Subject : Re: Mozilla's GUI (non)conformity Message-ID : <20240224165750.3f7d27a7eb949b5b2a5e6340@trixtar.org> Date & Time: Sat, 24 Feb 2024 16:57:50 -0500 [BTF] == "Ben T. Fender" has written: [...] BTF> I try to avoid 3rd party add-ons as well as apps that require specific BTF> tweaking that is not covered in systemic (KDE etc) settings and BTF> preferences. I understand the idea, but can you do it completely, I wonder? My DM, enlightenment, allows me to change the look and feel of the application, but many applications do not accept the change. BTF> I use only KDE/XFCE and windows therein without title bars BTF> do not exist so if a weird app like mozilla wants to do away with them BTF> that's OK with me but the default should be WITH titlebar (AND menu BTF> bar, AND editable location box). You should say these things upstream. Regards. --- ┏━━┓彡 野宮 賢 mail-to: nomiya @ lake.dti.ne.jp ┃＼／彡 ┗━━┛ "Companies have come to view generative AI as a kind of monster that must be fed at all costs―even if it isn’t always clear what exactly that data is needed for or what those future AI systems might end up doing." -- Generative AI Is Making Companies Even More Thirsty for Your Data --

Sun, 25 Feb 2024 11:32:23 +0000 Dave Howorth :

On Thu, 23 Nov 2023 14:52:16 -0500 "Ben T. Fender" wrote:

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I use Plasma & XFCE depending on the booted distro and most non-KDE apps konform at least to some extent with the KDE desktop when KDE is used examples being Pan, Sylpheed, gftp and even nedit. The ONE set that is almost always problematic is anything Mozilla, Firefox in this particular case. I cannot change the title bar from black which just makes it impossible to distinguish from darker wallpapers, there being no way to select something with a contrasting window border either. How can I fix this?

You don't say what version of anything you're using so nobody can say anything about how to fix your system.

Yes, THAT is one of my bad habits, it would be easier to lose if versions didn't change with every click.

So what distro?

And especially, what Firefox? From what distro? An opensuse one or a mozilla one?

I always install app-whatever available in the distro's package system. I use opensuse about as much as the other four or five of my regualar distros together but the OP was in November so I don't remember much beside cursing that I couldn't move the window because I could't grab a default black and contrasting bordeerless top edge on a black background. My only initial qusetion was 'how stupid does someone have to be to allow such a conjuncture to exist without the user even trying to puck thinks up'? In the end I think it was the first time that I had to click to fix the default of no title-bar (after having gone through similar hoops the get a menu-bar back because someone had decided that default would no longer include a menu-bar either. The basic question is not how to fix it but why would it need fixing at all and why is mozilla the only non-kde app in my stable with this disease? It all reminds me of an air-force DI who said "..the ONE thing, really the ONLY thing, that we never ever wanna see here are 'personalities'.