Sat, 24 Feb 2024 09:32:01 +0900 Masaru Nomiya <nomiya@lake.dti.ne.jp> :

Hello,

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Subject : Mozilla's GUI (non)conformity Message-ID : <20231123145216.b0d5e7aa3b7bbc11dc82d316@trixtar.org> Date & Time: Thu, 23 Nov 2023 14:52:16 -0500

[BTF] == "Ben T. Fender" <slowroller@trixtar.org> has written:

BTF> I use Plasma & XFCE depending on the booted distro BTF> and most non-KDE apps konform at least to some extent BTF> with the KDE desktop when KDE is used examples being BTF> Pan, Sylpheed, gftp and even nedit. The ONE set that is BTF> almost always problematic is anything Mozilla, Firefox BTF> in this particular case. I cannot change the title BTF> bar from black which just makes it impossible to BTF> distinguish from darker wallpapers, there being no BTF> way to select something with a contrasting window BTF> border either. How can I fix this?

Use Add-ons like this;

https://linuxconfig.org/enable-firefox-dark-mode-on-linux#:~:text=Start%20by....

Regards.

I try to avoid 3rd party add-ons as well as apps that require specific tweaking that is not covered in systemic (KDE etc) settings and preferences. I use only KDE/XFCE and windows therein without title bars do not exist so if a weird app like mozilla wants to do away with them that's OK with me but the default should be WITH titlebar (AND menu bar, AND editable location box).

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Liam Proven composed on 2024-05-23 11:54 (UTC+0100):

Moderators or list-masters, please tighten up the new-members process to block these spammers.

They have been trying to come up with a solution. The problem is that the spammers are using the HyperKitty web interface to the mailing lists, along with throwaway email addresses. It's a whack-a-mole situation. -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata

Leslie On 2024-05-23 12:23:38 Dave Howorth wrote:

On Thu, 23 May 2024 13:11:57 -0400

Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> wrote:

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Liam Proven composed on 2024-05-23 11:54 (UTC+0100):

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Moderators or list-masters, please tighten up the new-members process to block these spammers.

They have been trying to come up with a solution. The problem is that the spammers are using the HyperKitty web interface to the mailing lists, along with throwaway email addresses. It's a whack-a-mole situation.

That's why I suggested simply banning posting to this mail list via HyperKitty. Unless the moderators want to engage on a Sisyphean task.

I've seen quite a number of comments about the shortcomings of HyperKitty on various lists, not just about spammers. -- Platform: Linux Distribution: openSUSE Leap 15.5 - x86_64

On 2024-05-23 18:37:40 Tom Jones wrote:

* J Leslie Turriff via openSUSE Users <users@lists.opensuse.org> [05-23-24 18:18]:

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Leslie

On 2024-05-23 12:23:38 Dave Howorth wrote:

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On Thu, 23 May 2024 13:11:57 -0400

Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> wrote:

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Liam Proven composed on 2024-05-23 11:54 (UTC+0100):

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Moderators or list-masters, please tighten up the new-members process to block these spammers.

They have been trying to come up with a solution. The problem is that the spammers are using the HyperKitty web interface to the mailing lists, along with throwaway email addresses. It's a whack-a-mole situation.

That's why I suggested simply banning posting to this mail list via HyperKitty. Unless the moderators want to engage on a Sisyphean task.

I've seen quite a number of comments about the shortcomings of HyperKitty on various lists, not just about spammers.

yes, but problem is that others besides spammers utilize hyperkitty. so banning hyperkitty is not a solution.

Where did I say 'ban'? Leslie -- Platform: Linux Distribution: openSUSE Leap 15.5 - x86_64

On 2024-05-24 01:37, Tom Jones wrote:

* J Leslie Turriff via openSUSE Users <users@lists.opensuse.org> [05-23-24 18:18]:

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Leslie

On 2024-05-23 12:23:38 Dave Howorth wrote:

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On Thu, 23 May 2024 13:11:57 -0400

Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> wrote:

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Liam Proven composed on 2024-05-23 11:54 (UTC+0100):

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Moderators or list-masters, please tighten up the new-members process to block these spammers.

They have been trying to come up with a solution. The problem is that the spammers are using the HyperKitty web interface to the mailing lists, along with throwaway email addresses. It's a whack-a-mole situation.

That's why I suggested simply banning posting to this mail list via HyperKitty. Unless the moderators want to engage on a Sisyphean task.

I've seen quite a number of comments about the shortcomings of HyperKitty on various lists, not just about spammers.

yes, but problem is that others besides spammers utilize hyperkitty. so banning hyperkitty is not a solution.

No, the correct thing would be blocking using hyperkitty with google auth, which I don't know if it is possible. It may be hardcoded in the interface (mailman). -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.5 x86_64 at Telcontar)

Hello, In the Message; Subject : Re: email spam coming from HyperKitty Message-ID : <c43b3f69-2b15-4920-85be-c6a072a56ccb@gmail.com> Date & Time: Mon, 27 May 2024 22:54:36 -0500 [DCR] == "David C. Rankin" <drankinatty@gmail.com> has written: On 5/23/24 12:11, Felix Miata wrote: Liam Proven composed on 2024-05-23 11:54 (UTC+0100): LP>> Moderators or list-masters, please tighten up the new-members LP>> process to block these spammers. It's harsh to complain to the moderators about spam like that. Because, the spam data accumulated so far is useless, and there are no so-called "NG words". DCR> I knew that spastic cat was nothing but trouble from DCR> day-one. Not only was the interface horrid, but now it appears it DCR> was a supply-chain attack and spam-bot/backdoor all rolled into DCR> one. The old listserve/mailman starts looking pretty good at this DCR> point. For some reason, spam from China has increased since May. (-_-# DCR> Here is to hoping they find a solution. I've got 90% spam from the list DCR> lately. And no, I don't need help with essay writing... :) I think that spam is a report writing service for students. Best Regards. --- ┏━━┓彡 Masaru Nomiya mail-to: nomiya @ lake.dti.ne.jp ┃＼／彡 ┗━━┛ "Microsoft is overhauling its cybersecurity strategy, called the Secure Future Initiative, to incorporate key security features into its core set of technology platforms and cloud services. " -- Microsoft overhauls cyber strategy to finally embrace security by default --

On 2024-05-28 18:38, Atri Bhattacharya wrote:

David C. Rankin wrote:

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I knew that spastic cat was nothing but trouble from day-one.

Seeing hard pejoratives used to demean specially-abled living beings casually thrown around on these lists is shocking but not surprising and reveals more about the quality of this ML than any spam.

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Not only was the interface horrid, but now it appears it was a supply-chain attack and spam-bot/backdoor all rolled into one. The old listserve/mailman starts looking pretty good at this point.

Hyperkitty is free software maintained by the work of unpaid volunteers dedicated to the project. There is no back-door and no supply-chain attack. But I guess expecting you to understand that is reaching too far. Not a surprise why fewer and fewer devs read this particular list.

I know that some of the admins that installed mailman in our system repent from that decision and wouldn't repeat it. Hyperkitty has a security hole, which is allowing people that identify as google users to post here with just that authentication. This feature should be removed. Indeed, in the low volume Spanish mail list, I have hyperkitty under moderation, meaning more work for me. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.5 x86_64 at Telcontar)

On 2024-05-28 19:47, Atri Bhattacharya wrote:

Carlos E. R. wrote:

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On 2024-05-28 18:38, Atri Bhattacharya wrote:

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David C. Rankin wrote:

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I knew that spastic cat was nothing but trouble from day-one.

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Not only was the interface horrid, but now it appears it was a supply-chain attack and spam-bot/backdoor all rolled into one. The old listserve/mailman starts looking pretty good at this point. Hyperkitty is free software maintained by the work of unpaid volunteers dedicated to the project. There is no back-door and no supply-chain attack. But I guess expecting you to understand that is reaching too far. Not a surprise why fewer and fewer devs read this

Seeing hard pejoratives used to demean specially-abled living beings casually thrown around on these lists is shocking but not surprising and reveals more about the quality of this ML than any spam. particular list. I know that some of the admins that installed mailman in our system repent from that decision and wouldn't repeat it.

Which is very different from saying what the previous poster said.

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Hyperkitty has a security hole, which is allowing people that identify as google users to post here with just that authentication. This feature should be removed.

Agree, this could be a first step towards limiting spam.

Btw, it is not just google users: any open-id provider can be used to register and start sending emails right away. Maybe we should implement a cool-off period (say, 30 days) before any new non-openSUSE open-id based user can post to the list.

Google is notorious for not fighting spam, they allow anyone to register. For another example of how little they care, they flooded Usenet with thousands and thousands of spam mail, and nobody would listen to the many complaints. In the end, they killed Google Groups instead of placing one person to cull spam by normal means. All the spam I have noticed via hyperkitty comes from Google users. Thus as a first measure it would work. if then spam enters via another method we would have to investigate that other method. For the moment, we have to prohibit entering hiperkitty with a gmail auth, or putting those users under automatic moderation. I looked if that is possible, but no, the interface allows filtering on a single header, not two with an and condition. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.5 x86_64 at Telcontar)

On 2024-05-29 11:02, Masaru Nomiya wrote:

Hello,

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Subject : Re: email spam coming from HyperKitty Message-ID : <e4b8df81-7ce9-4edb-a9e5-98513c9c06f2@telefonica.net> Date & Time: Wed, 29 May 2024 09:46:47 +0200

[CER] == "Carlos E. R." <robin.listas@telefonica.net> has written:

[...] CER> Google is notorious for not fighting spam, they allow anyone to CER> register.

I too am a victim of the infamous Google!

That is, Google issued aliases for my google account to two different people (at different times), and their emails were delivered to me according to Gmail's rules, which caused me a lot of trouble.

More on the contrary, in this February, my account was issued to a third party. The person who was suspicious that the mail was not being delivered sent a test mail with another address as Bcc. I received her email, contacted with her at the other address, and she recognized the issue and it was solved.

When I told my colleagues in the community, none of them believed that the duplicate account had been issued, so I showed them the actual e-mail and they were all surprised. Yes, it's impossible, but Google did it three times.

Surprising!

I should just stop using gmail, but I can't because of the relationship I've had with them.....

It is mandatory with the Android phone.

[..] CER> For the moment, we have to prohibit entering hiperkitty with a CER> gmail auth, or putting those users under automatic moderation. [...]

I can't figure this out.

In Japan, there are more and more sites that let user log in with　 user's Google account, but when user try, it shows not only the Google account, but also the Facebook account and four other possible login options.

Is this another Hyperkitty specification?

I thought it was a site management policy...

I tried to test this, but I am logged in, and log-out doesn't work. So, talking from memory. When you try to post an email here using hiperkitty, you can identify yourself using the opensuse ID, or some other methods, one of which is a gmail login. This is the method that spammers are using, they login with a gmail identity. The mailman interface for admins or moderators (Postorious) allows us to create a header filter. If an email matches the criteria, and action is activated. Thus, in the Spanish mail list I have enabled the filter "if user-agent is hiperkitty, then hold for moderation". This works there because there are no people using hiperkitty to post, except spammers. Here in this list it is not possible to do the same, because there are several people using hiperkitty. Thus a solution could be to hold for moderation mails with that user agent header, AND the from address being gmail. Unfortunately, Postorious doesn't allow such an "and" criteria (or I have not seen how; there is no documentation). So what I propose is disabling completely the gmail auth on hiperkitty, but I have no idea if this is possible at all. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.5 x86_64 at Telcontar)

On 2024-05-29 14:25, Bengt Gördén wrote:

On 2024-05-29 11:32, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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This is the method that spammers are using, they login with a gmail identity.

So why not just comment out the google line in the settings for hyperkitty?

Ex. of settings.

https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty/-/blob/master/hyperkitty/tests/setting...

I don't have that type access as moderator of one mail list. I'll open a ticket. Done. https://progress.opensuse.org/issues/161171 -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.5 x86_64 at Telcontar)

On 5/28/24 11:38, Atri Bhattacharya wrote:

Seeing hard pejoratives used to demean specially-abled living beings casually thrown around on these lists is shocking but not surprising and reveals more about the quality of this ML than any spam.

ROTFLMAO :) You haven't been here long enough to have lived the saga of SUSE/openSUSE/SUSE from the times of Pro releases and boxed sets on floppies ... well before the 2005 deal with the devil. If you had, you would have understood the humor in the post :) -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E.

On 5/30/24 20:15, Knurpht-openSUSE wrote:

Let me clearly state that I agree with Atri in full. and that I tihnk your reply is actually showing some attitude problem.

I'd expect no less, that Gertjan. -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E.

On 2024-05-31 04:58, Darryl Gregorash wrote:

On 2024-05-30 19:05, David C. Rankin wrote:

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On 5/28/24 11:38, Atri Bhattacharya wrote:

As for your latest contribution to the meat of this topic, I cite a recent post of yours:

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and seriously, I noticed a huge upsurge in not only spam, but in direct server intrusion attempts during the past six-months or so. I had 3 kids grow up during the early gaming craze (say 2005 - present). The kids e-mails/accounts associated with the server are used in intrusion attempts from all over the globe.

Perhaps the huge upsurge of spam is a result, not of spam posts on HyperKitty, but rather of your kids' behaviour on the internet; otherwise, how do their email accounts even enter into the picture?

This week it has been known that three big different Spanish companies had big data leaks, giving bad actors access to email, phones, ID numbers, partial pay card numbers, etc, so that the bad actors can phone us and credibly recite private data so that we think it is our bank or our telephone company who is really calling us to change something in our contract or some other concocted plan to part with our money. All in a week. Three major companies. How come? I forgot to hit send on this email. Meanwhile, another big agency had a major leak, too. This time, I think the perpetrators were found. https://www.eldiario.es/tecnologia/ciberdelincuentes-hackean-dgt-ponen-venta... Can't find a reference on the arrest, maybe I heard wrong. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.5 x86_64 at Telcontar)

On 2024-05-31 11:30, Atri Bhattacharya wrote:

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On 5/28/24 11:38, Atri Bhattacharya wrote:

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Seeing hard pejoratives used to demean specially-abled living beings casually thrown around on these lists is shocking but not surprising and reveals more about the quality of this ML than any spam. ROTFLMAO :)

You haven't been here long enough to have lived the saga of SUSE/openSUSE/SUSE from the times of Pro releases and boxed sets on floppies ... well before the 2005 deal with the devil.

If you had, you would have understood the humor in the post :) I have been here long enough to know that it is partly because of this kind of "humour" that the project has been forced to codify common sense behaviour into an official CoC charter [1]. Note that the CoC does not

David C. Rankin wrote: provide exceptions allowing transgressive behaviour from anyone, not even if they claim to have been here forever, chit-chatting, spreading FUD, or whatever.

That is not the only reason the project felt it necessary to codify that. The other reason is that we have chosen to apply less common sense and forgiving interpretation of statements - because the claim of humor and context can be used to hide malicious intend. As we balance the sensitivities of some against the ways that others express themselves, the CoC is a choice that is simple and clear, and probably a good one, too. But it is not without consequences, it comes with a chilling effects, and you clearly cannot please everyone. A project that does not need a CoC is more healthy than one that does. Andreas

Thu, 30 May 2024 20:05:55 -0500 "David C. Rankin" <drankinatty@gmail.com> :

On 5/28/24 11:38, Atri Bhattacharya wrote:

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Seeing hard pejoratives used to demean specially-abled living beings casually thrown around on these lists is shocking but not surprising and reveals more about the quality of this ML than any spam.

ROTFLMAO :)

You haven't been here long enough to have lived the saga of SUSE/openSUSE/SUSE from the times of Pro releases and boxed sets on floppies ... well before the 2005 deal with the devil.

If you had, you would have understood the humor in the post :)

My memory is still as sharp as a razor-blade (albeit no wider than its edge) and I remember Amiga programs on floppies like a word-processor that came on 50 of them but not the Suse OS. It does 'seem' like 4.7 or 4.9 (when I got on board) did come on by then small as opposed to the 5 inch floppies but I can't like actually visualise any. BTW WTF is a specially-abled human being?