WTF... My mailbox is filled up with this B.S. Just drop it and move forward already! Jesse On 6/1/2014 8:56 AM, Damian Ivanov wrote:

maybe your lack of intelligence is caused by brain cancer caused by your systemd hate?

2014-06-01 1:50 GMT+02:00 Dirk Gently :

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https://fireden.net/4chan/g/40864938#p40868369

http://archive.rebeccablacktech.com/g/thread/31994292

And here not just systemd...but ...one of it's key authors...

"Poetterring is the cancer that is killing Linux." https://sites.google.com/site/bl0ckeduserssoftware/rand

19:02 joecool ughhhhhh i fucking hate udev 19:03 joecool it is the cancer that is killing linux 19:03 nkuttler ACTION gives joecool a cookie 19:03 nkuttler joecool: you forgot pulseaudio and systemd 19:04 joecool nkuttler: systemd == udev now 19:04 joecool lennart is just the dr. kevorkian of the linux world

http://bitcoinstats.com/irc/bitcoin-otc/logs/2014/02/26

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Dylan wrote:

On 01/06/14 00:50, Dirk Gently wrote:

[SNIP: A load of rubbish]

If you spent as much time and energy doing something *productive* about it (or even in life generally) your mind might be opened and the world might become a better place.

Or perhaps you're so fascinated with "shiny new thing" that you utterly opposed to looking at and evaluating the problems it introduces... because apparently ALL change is "progress" to some people. If it wasn't worth discussing, I wouldn't waste my fucking time to do so. Get a clue. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 06/02/2014 02:33 AM, Damian Ivanov wrote:

systemd is without alternative? great people like systemd. get over it.

2014-06-02 8:28 GMT+02:00 Dirk Gently :

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Dylan wrote:

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On 01/06/14 00:50, Dirk Gently wrote:

[SNIP: A load of rubbish]

If you spent as much time and energy doing something *productive* about it (or even in life generally) your mind might be opened and the world might become a better place.

Or perhaps you're so fascinated with "shiny new thing" that you utterly opposed to looking at and evaluating the problems it introduces... because apparently ALL change is "progress" to some people.

If it wasn't worth discussing, I wouldn't waste my fucking time to do so. Get a clue.

I think there are devs who monkey with the code just keep doing something, not because there is something that _needs_ to be changed or replaced. Anne Landers said it a long time ago: "If it ain't broke, don't fix it!"

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Damian Ivanov wrote:

systemd is without alternative?

Hey, Damian, have the past 20 years taught you absolutely NOTHING about the concept of software lock-in, and how that is NOT good for users

great

No, it isn't. See above.

people like systemd.

Naive people like systemd. People who never have to write start-up scripts might like systemd. People who actually want (or are paid to) have control of their computers are necessarily horrified by systemd, because it has become a leviathan, and an ill-mannered, ill-tempered one at that.

get over it.

How about YOU get over me and the multitudes of others not liking sytemd. Systemd is fundamentally flawed, because it is broken at the design level. Poettering and Sievert can't explain what systemd is supposed to do in a paragraph or less. Instead, they tell you to read some hundreds of pages of aimless, rambling bullshit. To any intelligent person, that alone raises all sorts of red flags. I guess you're not one of them.

2014-06-02 8:28 GMT+02:00 Dirk Gently :

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Dylan wrote:

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On 01/06/14 00:50, Dirk Gently wrote:

[SNIP: A load of rubbish]

If you spent as much time and energy doing something *productive* about it (or even in life generally) your mind might be opened and the world might become a better place.

Or perhaps you're so fascinated with "shiny new thing" that you utterly opposed to looking at and evaluating the problems it introduces... because apparently ALL change is "progress" to some people.

If it wasn't worth discussing, I wouldn't waste my fucking time to do so. Get a clue.

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Damian Ivanov wrote:

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People who actually want (or are paid to) have control of their computers are necessarily horrified by systemd, because it has become a leviathan, and an ill-mannered, ill-tempered one at that. I am paid Linux support engineer and love systemd.

I am not the one getting over anything? You don't like systemd? ok, everyone on the list got that. It still isn't going away will you spam me until it's going away (like not the next years).

Befor you make another unfounded accusation, why don't you bother learning whta the fuck spam is. Clue: The definition of spam is NOT: "messages on an email list that Damian Ivanov doesn't like." Now, stop being a lying asshole, and shut the fuck up. Don't like my tone? Then don't accuse me of spamming when I'm not.

2014-06-02 8:58 GMT+02:00 Dirk Gently :

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Damian Ivanov wrote:

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systemd is without alternative?

Hey, Damian, have the past 20 years taught you absolutely NOTHING about the concept of software lock-in, and how that is NOT good for users

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great

No, it isn't. See above.

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people like systemd.

Naive people like systemd. People who never have to write start-up scripts might like systemd.

People who actually want (or are paid to) have control of their computers are necessarily horrified by systemd, because it has become a leviathan, and an ill-mannered, ill-tempered one at that.

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get over it.

How about YOU get over me and the multitudes of others not liking sytemd. Systemd is fundamentally flawed, because it is broken at the design level.

Poettering and Sievert can't explain what systemd is supposed to do in a paragraph or less. Instead, they tell you to read some hundreds of pages of aimless, rambling bullshit.

To any intelligent person, that alone raises all sorts of red flags. I guess you're not one of them.

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2014-06-02 8:28 GMT+02:00 Dirk Gently :

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Dylan wrote:

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On 01/06/14 00:50, Dirk Gently wrote:

[SNIP: A load of rubbish]

If you spent as much time and energy doing something *productive* about it (or even in life generally) your mind might be opened and the world might become a better place.

Or perhaps you're so fascinated with "shiny new thing" that you utterly opposed to looking at and evaluating the problems it introduces... because apparently ALL change is "progress" to some people.

If it wasn't worth discussing, I wouldn't waste my fucking time to do so. Get a clue.

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*sarcasm* I am not telling you to end your life. 2014-06-02 9:14 GMT+02:00 Damian Ivanov :

Nothing is over-engineered. It's simple. login was broken. multiseat, logind is must, yes I have such devices. Go shoot yourself and think about systemd.

2014-06-02 9:13 GMT+02:00 Dirk Gently :

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Damian Ivanov wrote:

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People who actually want (or are paid to) have control of their computers are necessarily horrified by systemd, because it has become a leviathan, and an ill-mannered, ill-tempered one at that.

I am paid Linux support engineer and love systemd.

I am not the one getting over anything? You don't like systemd? ok, everyone on the list got that. It still isn't going away will you spam me until it's going away (like not the next years).

Befor you make another unfounded accusation, why don't you bother learning whta the fuck spam is.

Clue: The definition of spam is NOT: "messages on an email list that Damian Ivanov doesn't like."

Now, stop being a lying asshole, and shut the fuck up.

Don't like my tone? Then don't accuse me of spamming when I'm not.

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2014-06-02 8:58 GMT+02:00 Dirk Gently :

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Damian Ivanov wrote:

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systemd is without alternative?

Hey, Damian, have the past 20 years taught you absolutely NOTHING about the concept of software lock-in, and how that is NOT good for users

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great

No, it isn't. See above.

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people like systemd.

Naive people like systemd. People who never have to write start-up scripts might like systemd.

People who actually want (or are paid to) have control of their computers are necessarily horrified by systemd, because it has become a leviathan, and an ill-mannered, ill-tempered one at that.

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get over it.

How about YOU get over me and the multitudes of others not liking sytemd. Systemd is fundamentally flawed, because it is broken at the design level.

Poettering and Sievert can't explain what systemd is supposed to do in a paragraph or less. Instead, they tell you to read some hundreds of pages of aimless, rambling bullshit.

To any intelligent person, that alone raises all sorts of red flags. I guess you're not one of them.

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2014-06-02 8:28 GMT+02:00 Dirk Gently :

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Dylan wrote: > > > > On 01/06/14 00:50, Dirk Gently wrote: > > [SNIP: A load of rubbish] > > If you spent as much time and energy doing something *productive* > about > it > (or even in life > generally) your mind might be opened and the world might become a > better > place.

Or perhaps you're so fascinated with "shiny new thing" that you utterly opposed to looking at and evaluating the problems it introduces... because apparently ALL change is "progress" to some people.

If it wasn't worth discussing, I wouldn't waste my fucking time to do so. Get a clue.

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On 2014-06-02 09:23, Damian Ivanov wrote:

I apologize to the list for stepping over the mailing list etiquette.

Dirk, if you have something to discuss, let's keep it completely technical, ok? Can we agree to close that thread and go back to the 1st one "Why is systemd[1] is mounting noauto partitions?". I didn't mean you should shoot yourself, that was a mistake and I apologize.

No, it is pointless to argue anything with him, he poisons what could be valid points with insults. It is best to simply ignore him, as it seems that the listmaster can not keep him out (yes, he was already banned, but he creates new emails to come back and bypass filters). And for the record, I do not like systemd. I accept it, I live with it, try to learn its ways, but I do not like it. :-) -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar)

Daniel Bauer wrote:

Am 02.06.2014 14:32, schrieb Carlos E. R.:

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On 2014-06-02 09:23, Damian Ivanov wrote:

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I apologize to the list for stepping over the mailing list etiquette.

Dirk, if you have something to discuss, let's keep it completely technical, ok? Can we agree to close that thread and go back to the 1st one "Why is systemd[1] is mounting noauto partitions?". I didn't mean you should shoot yourself, that was a mistake and I apologize.

No, it is pointless to argue anything with him, he poisons what could be valid points with insults. It is best to simply ignore him, as it seems that the listmaster can not keep him out (yes, he was already banned, but he creates new emails to come back and bypass filters).

And for the record, I do not like systemd. I accept it, I live with it, try to learn its ways, but I do not like it. :-)

Yes, and it's a shame.

I would have loved to learn about the pros and cons and the impact it has or could have for a "common user" like me.

There is an article on systemd's inherent design flaws here: Broken by Design: systemd http://ewontfix.com/14/ and here: Systemd has 6 service startup notification types, and they're all wrong http://ewontfix.com/15/ and here: Here is a vigorous discussion, without any systemd defenders starting insult wars: http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/1pgsbf/systemd_propaganda_its_a_crap_...

But the little information is cluttered by useless words, not even creative insults that would help to enrich my english swearing vocabulary...

I'm not here to teach you or anyone else creative insults in English, Russian, or any other language. Frankly, nobody on this list is worth the effort for creative insults.

Well, that's life. Not everybody boots to full functionality. Even without systemd.

Daniel

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Araluen wrote:

On Mon, 2014-06-02 at 23:38 -0400, Dirk Gently wrote:

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nobody on this list is worth the effort for creative insults.

Yes i am

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Damian Ivanov wrote:

Fuck you Dirk Gently, you are an obvious retard.

You're pissed off because I'm not putting any effort into insulting you? By the way, if I'm such a retard, how come I'm smarter than you?

2014-06-03 7:15 GMT+02:00 Dirk Gently :

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Araluen wrote:

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On Mon, 2014-06-02 at 23:38 -0400, Dirk Gently wrote:

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nobody on this list is worth the effort for creative insults.

Yes i am

Not really.

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Carlos E. R. wrote:

On 2014-06-02 09:23, Damian Ivanov wrote:

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I apologize to the list for stepping over the mailing list etiquette.

Dirk, if you have something to discuss, let's keep it completely technical, ok? Can we agree to close that thread and go back to the 1st one "Why is systemd[1] is mounting noauto partitions?". I didn't mean you should shoot yourself, that was a mistake and I apologize.

No, it is pointless to argue anything with him, he poisons what could be valid points with insults.

Yeah, right, Carlos. Werner tosses out a couple of blatant lies, then starts throwing out insults and you blame *ME* fopr poisoning the discussion. Fuck you, Carlos. Clue for the all of the god-damnmed fucking clueless on this list: If you or anyone else on this list doesn't t want to be called a fucking lying asshole, then don't BE a fucking lying asshole. If you don't want me to call you names, then don't YOU call me names. It's really quite that simple. IU'm sure most of you are smart enough to figure it out.... but you would all rather play schoolyard games of punch somebody, and then scream loudly when you get hit back. Again, fuck you.

It is best to simply ignore him, as it seems that the listmaster can not keep him out (yes, he was already banned, but he creates new emails to come back and bypass filters).

And for the record, I do not like systemd. I accept it, I live with it, try to learn its ways, but I do not like it. :-)

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On 06/02/2014 06:02 PM, Dirk Gently wrote: /snip/

Yeah, right, Carlos. Werner tosses out a couple of blatant lies, then starts throwing out insults and you blame *ME* fopr poisoning the discussion.

Fuck you, Carlos.

Clue for the all of the god-damnmed fucking clueless on this list: If you or anyone else on this list doesn't t want to be called a fucking lying asshole, then don't BE a fucking lying asshole. If you don't want me to call you names, then don't YOU call me names.

/snip/ Isn't there a webmaster or somebody who can prevent this person from appearing in the mailing list? There is simply no excuse for this language! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On Mon, 2014-06-02 at 19:40 -0400, Felix Miata wrote:

However, I think the admin attitude here is if subscribers would be smart enough to ignore posts containing offensive language

offensive language is a subjective thing.... -- Ad astra per aspera

On Mon, 2014-06-02 at 20:01 -0400, Dirk Gently wrote:

Doug wrote:

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On 06/02/2014 06:02 PM, Dirk Gently wrote:

/snip/

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Yeah, right, Carlos. Werner tosses out a couple of blatant lies, then starts throwing out insults and you blame *ME* fopr poisoning the discussion.

Fuck you, Carlos.

Clue for the all of the god-damnmed fucking clueless on this list: If you or anyone else on this list doesn't t want to be called a fucking lying asshole, then don't BE a fucking lying asshole. If you don't want me to call you names, then don't YOU call me names.

/snip/

Isn't there a webmaster or somebody who can prevent this person from appearing in the mailing list? There is simply no excuse for this language!

Strange how you NEVER had a problem with the people who made the false accusations in the first place. Why is that?

But when I defend myself, oh, you're all up in arms. What the hell is your major malfunction?

Even though Dirk has valid points, this goes way too far. This is supposed to be a technical list, where people come for assistance. No matter if what people write conflicts with reality as other people may see it, or even when they use indescent language, it is _never_ an excuse to use that yourself. So stick to technical POV, and ploink any messages containing inproper language. hw -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

C wrote:

On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 8:29 AM, Hans Witvliet wrote:

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Even though Dirk has valid points, this goes way too far. This is supposed to be a technical list, where people come for assistance.

No matter if what people write conflicts with reality as other people may see it, or even when they use indescent language, it is _never_ an excuse to use that yourself.

So stick to technical POV, and ploink any messages containing inproper language.

It never will be anything more than what you've seen when he is involved in the conversation. It starts out with valid points, but it always devolves into foul language, accusations, hatred, and vitriol. He just can't help but be a complete tool. Just do like the majority here do... filter everything from him into the trash and ignore him.

Considering that I'm always the recipient of the first act of name-calling in a thread, blaming it on me is hardly fair, proper or honest. Spare me your equivocation and false moralization. This is like blaming World War I on Germany, despite the fact that RUSSIA INVADED YUGOSLAVIA!!!! The Treaty of Versailles is both a lie and an insult.

C.

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I see what you did here. Trying to use a valid argument for freedom of speech and turn it somehow against systemd. Linda, you and not using systemd caused WW2! Use systemd now to prevent WW3! 2014-06-03 10:44 GMT+02:00 Linda Walsh :

Doug wrote:

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Isn't there a webmaster or somebody who can prevent this person from appearing in the mailing list? There is simply no excuse for this language!

---- And this is why we have systemd.

Instead of blocking unwanted email that you don't want to read, you call upon list moderators to block such people for *everyone*.

Blocks like that are for children. Linux users should know how to filter out emails by subject, list, or language. Not being able to and asking that some "power-over" (the list) entity take responsibility for you being offended is giving up your ability to make your own decisions and choices.

That's why systemd is being shoved in place so people won't have to make decisions about many things, but will be able to be told what to do by those who hold the 'keys'(encryption/boot...etc)...

Think about what you are asking for and ask yourself why you can't just block anything from that user for the next 'X' months...?

Do you really want to give up your freedom to decide what is readable and not?

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Carlos E. R. wrote:

On 2014-06-03 00:02, Dirk Gently wrote:

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Fuck you, Carlos. ... If you don't want me to call you names, then don't YOU call me names.

I did not call you any name.

You accused ME of of Werner's offence.

You are apparently insane - which is not a name or insult, but just a tentative diagnostic.

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Carlos E. R. wrote:

On 2014-06-03 02:03, Dirk Gently wrote:

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You accused ME of of Werner's offence.

No. I accuse you of using bad language and having bad manners with people, here.

Only AFTER provocation. Tell us, Carlos, was Werner's namecalling and lies an example of what you call GOOD manners? If not, then please explain for us all, Carlos, why you hold up me as that bad guy, when I was merely defending myself false accusations based upon still other lies. Why is it, Carlos, that you and several others ALWAYS side with the bully, the person who first commits the "bad behavior", and consistently side against the person on the receiving end of it. I doubt I'll get an honest, straight answer out of you -- you're obviously more interested in protecting liars. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Peter Van Lone wrote:

On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 8:18 PM, Dirk Gently wrote:

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Carlos E. R. wrote:

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On 2014-06-03 02:03, Dirk Gently wrote:

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You accused ME of of Werner's offence.

No. I accuse you of using bad language and having bad manners with people, here.

Only AFTER provocation.

Dirk,

I've gone back over both threads, and it is very clear in this particular dust-up, that yours was the strident accusatory voice: "these germans" being one of the opening volleys.

And I backed my argument with evidence. Do you deny that different cultures develop different methods for problem solving? 1. The Indian way to solve a problem is to throw a street-begger at it to do it by hand. ("The best machine for a task is a human") 2. The Japanese way to solve a problem is to miniaturize all the devices involved. ("Smaller is better") 3. The Russian way to solve a problem is by brute force. ("Bigger is better") 4. The German way to solve a problem is to keep adding more and more parts ("More precision is always better") -- but the downside is that it creates a structure that is incredibly "brittle", because is so complex that changing one little thing for changing conditions breaks the entire thing, or alternatively, that swapping a single part is 3x to 10x more laborious than it should be. [And I have given several examples of the German tendency to over-engineer things, to the point of being detrimental to the German people themselves]. And I never even got into that things like the crazy Dornier Arrow, with a propeller in the nose, and another in the tail, and incredibly long drive-shafts... all for the sake of getting a marginal improvement in performance of the air-frame, at the expense of having to drive two propellers, the weight [and damage risk] of two long drive-shafts (the engine was behind the pilot), and once again, how all of the resources put into that boondoggle would have been better used pursuing something far less radical. 5. The English (and usually American) way to solve a problem is "elegance" ("Simpler is better") Everyone is a product of the culture they grow up in. You can quibble on the accuracy of my characterizations, but one would have to be crazy to argue against the premise that different cultures tend to produce people who look at the same problem from vastly different perspectives, and which are representative of the culture they have grown up in and are immersed in. Each of these cultures and problem-solving strategies has an appropriate time and an appropriate place. The German culture is WELL adapted for producing complex things such as an office suite which is self-contained, and doesn't really have to interact with anything outside of itself. But on the other hand, it is a TERRIBLE cultural base for producing something which should be exceedingly easy to understand in all aspects, so that any person adjusting it can keep a complete model of that mechanism in his mind (such as, an init system). When long-term computing professionals, who have spent decades working on the command line, constantly say that they can't figure out systemd, then there's a SEVERE problem that it has become far too complex. Charges of racism for OBSERVING AND STATING THE OBVIOUS TRUTH are just unnecessarily inflamatory.

I am mostly a listener here ... but after a bit, your anger and foul language

As if there was no provocation... yeah, go on...side with bullies...

and arrogance, become too much. Learn to control your temper,

Ah yes, *I* (and apparently I alone) am supposed to not use insulting language, even though this rule is NEVER enforced for anyone else on this list. You're such a hypocrite.

and to modulate your voice. Yours is never the only valid position.

I never said it was.

Ever.

And yet we are talking about the software written by a man who says that systemd is the ONLY valid solution possible. Not that it's the only valid solution being developed -- he says that there is no other way possible to do system initialization.

If you would keep that in mind as you post, your contributions would be easier to appreciate.

If people don't like me returning insults on this list, then maybe they had best start complaining when someone insults me. Complaining that the attacked party is defending himself is the epitome of barbarity and savagery.

I ask that you cease and desist. If you will not, then I would ask the list maintainer to censor you.

How about you start complaining when someone insults me, rather than complaining only when I return fire. Until then, you're just a hypocrite and a savage who doesn't understand the basic rules of civilized behavior.

Peter

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On 02/06/14 07:28, Dirk Gently wrote:

Dylan wrote:

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On 01/06/14 00:50, Dirk Gently wrote:

[SNIP: A load of rubbish]

If you spent as much time and energy doing something *productive* about it (or even in life generally) your mind might be opened and the world might become a better place.

Or perhaps you're so fascinated with "shiny new thing" that you utterly opposed to looking at and evaluating the problems it introduces... because apparently ALL change is "progress" to some people.

I have no particular feeling either way about systemd - there are no discernible problems with it on my systems. The previous system had (has) some serious problems and caused me quite a few headaches which "just disappeared" after the change. In general, though, the underlying mechanisms of how the system sorts itself out in the background are of no special interest to me, as I'm sure they aren't to many other users. Some change is progress, some change is neutral and some change is regressive.

If it wasn't worth discussing, I wouldn't waste my fucking time to do so. Get a clue.

I have plenty of clues, thank you, but arguing with your kind of attitude is pointless - it's a shame you don't take a view similar to your pseudonymous character and see the interconnectedness of all things. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On Mon, 2014-06-02 at 16:52 -0400, Dirk Gently wrote:

Any time a programmer tells you that there is absolutely NO other way to solve a problem other than the way he's writing, that tells me that he simply can't imagine an alternate solution, and thus, is not nearly as good a programmer as he believes himself to be.

Not only applies to programming..... Cheers, mark -- You can rely on bananas. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On Tue, 2014-06-03 at 11:23 +0200, Henne Vogelsang wrote:

Hey,

I think I've heard enough about this topic. Please refrain from adding mails to this thread. Thanks for your consideration...

Henne

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