[opensuse] Re: how to copy imap folders and subfolders with thunderbird
On 04/12/2020 14.15, Per Jessen wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 03/12/2020 20.27, Per Jessen wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
Even if the ISP allows sorting into several folders, that causes a new problem, namely how to download email to local machine at some point in time, because they can be distributed on dozens of different folders that require a separate download operation for each.
Actually, with IMAP it is a simple drap-and-drop operation. No separate download operation required.
No.
[big snip]
With Thunderbird, drag and drop a folder does not work. Try.
I really think we have gone wayyyy off-topic, but if you insist. With Thunderbird:
You know I have no objection to move to another list. I was only replying to your posts. Continuing on the standard mail list.
Hold down the Ctrl key (for a _copy_ operation) and use the mouse to drag a folder from the IMAP account to e.g. "Local Folders". That creates a copy of the entire tree, messages are downloaded etc.
I have just now (to double check) copied "ml-admin", a subfolder under my Inbox on my opensuse.org IMAP account, with two more levels of subfolders, and some 3000 messages in total. Took a little more than 30 seconds.
Ok, I tried that operation and it worked (I was surprised), although leaving Thunderbird busy and not responsive for several minutes. But that is not the operation I need to do. Typically I would select a bunch of old mails in the INBOX and try to drag them to another folder, typically a folder under my local dovecot server. I tried that a week ago and failed. I try now, and it fails, does nothing. The block can be dragged, but on mouse release the blue block goes back to INBOX. Same if destination is on "local folders".
It is select messages in one folder, right click, move to, select destination folder. One by one.
See above. If necessary I'll be happy to make a video? I made a couple of screenshots, see attached.
Well, see above, what I move are the old messages from the folder. Typically those older than two months. Not the entire folder. And I do it using Alpine because it runs faster, and makes marking messages with criteria easier. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.1 x86_64 at Telcontar)
Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 04/12/2020 14.15, Per Jessen wrote:
Hold down the Ctrl key (for a _copy_ operation) and use the mouse to drag a folder from the IMAP account to e.g. "Local Folders". That creates a copy of the entire tree, messages are downloaded etc.
I have just now (to double check) copied "ml-admin", a subfolder under my Inbox on my opensuse.org IMAP account, with two more levels of subfolders, and some 3000 messages in total. Took a little more than 30 seconds.
Ok, I tried that operation and it worked (I was surprised), although leaving Thunderbird busy and not responsive for several minutes. But that is not the operation I need to do.
You said "namely how to download email to local machine at some point in time", which is what this copy operation does.
Typically I would select a bunch of old mails in the INBOX and try to drag them to another folder, typically a folder under my local dovecot server. I tried that a week ago and failed. I try now, and it fails, does nothing. The block can be dragged, but on mouse release the blue block goes back to INBOX. Same if destination is on "local folders".
I have just moved 7 files from one subfolder to another under the same IMAP account, worked just fine. Even Ctrl-Z to undo worked fine. Then I moved them into a subfolder under "Local Folders", also worked just fine. Also Ctrl-Z. All on our hosting dovecot server - I don't have access to another one to try a server-to-server.
It is select messages in one folder, right click, move to, select destination folder. One by one.
See above. If necessary I'll be happy to make a video? I made a couple of screenshots, see attached.
Well, see above, what I move are the old messages from the folder. Typically those older than two months. Not the entire folder. And I do it using Alpine because it runs faster, and makes marking messages with criteria easier.
Maybe Alpine is buggy or functionally incomplete? -- Per Jessen, Zürich (2.1°C)
On 04/12/2020 15.22, Per Jessen wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 04/12/2020 14.15, Per Jessen wrote:
Hold down the Ctrl key (for a _copy_ operation) and use the mouse to drag a folder from the IMAP account to e.g. "Local Folders". That creates a copy of the entire tree, messages are downloaded etc.
I have just now (to double check) copied "ml-admin", a subfolder under my Inbox on my opensuse.org IMAP account, with two more levels of subfolders, and some 3000 messages in total. Took a little more than 30 seconds.
Ok, I tried that operation and it worked (I was surprised), although leaving Thunderbird busy and not responsive for several minutes. But that is not the operation I need to do.
You said "namely how to download email to local machine at some point in time", which is what this copy operation does.
Well, you interpreted that differently from me - the idea of dragging the whole inbox structure (with subfolders) never occurred to me. I have mentioned not a month ago that what I do is move is old mail from the Inbox to local computer. The selected messages, which is part of the inbox, not all.
Typically I would select a bunch of old mails in the INBOX and try to drag them to another folder, typically a folder under my local dovecot server. I tried that a week ago and failed. I try now, and it fails, does nothing. The block can be dragged, but on mouse release the blue block goes back to INBOX. Same if destination is on "local folders".
I have just moved 7 files from one subfolder to another under the same IMAP account, worked just fine. Even Ctrl-Z to undo worked fine.
What is a "file" in this context? If you mean "mails", then yes, mails from a subfolder of inbox can be moved. Not from the inbox itself. I never had subfolders of Inbox, so I never tried. See https://paste.opensuse.org/79698522 That's where my Thunderbird buts the subfolder of the Inbox. Not right below the Inbox at the top. I can not use that setup.
Then I moved them into a subfolder under "Local Folders", also worked just fine. Also Ctrl-Z.
All on our hosting dovecot server - I don't have access to another one to try a server-to-server.
It is select messages in one folder, right click, move to, select destination folder. One by one.
See above. If necessary I'll be happy to make a video? I made a couple of screenshots, see attached.
Well, see above, what I move are the old messages from the folder. Typically those older than two months. Not the entire folder. And I do it using Alpine because it runs faster, and makes marking messages with criteria easier.
Maybe Alpine is buggy or functionally incomplete?
Why? It moves messages well and fast. It does not move or copy "folders" to my knowledge. I looked again and no, it can't. Notice that it is a text mode program, drag and drop concept does not exist. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.1 x86_64 at Telcontar)
Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 04/12/2020 15.22, Per Jessen wrote:
You said "namely how to download email to local machine at some point in time", which is what this copy operation does.
Well, you interpreted that differently from me - the idea of dragging the whole inbox structure (with subfolders) never occurred to me.
I have mentioned not a month ago that what I do is move is old mail from the Inbox to local computer. The selected messages, which is part of the inbox, not all.
I haven't got all of your postings memorised :-)
I have just moved 7 files from one subfolder to another under the same IMAP account, worked just fine. Even Ctrl-Z to undo worked fine.
What is a "file" in this context?
Sorry, I meant "mail" of course.
If you mean "mails", then yes, mails from a subfolder of inbox can be moved. Not from the inbox itself. I never had subfolders of Inbox, so I never tried.
a) move one mail from INBOX to subfolder of INBOX - works. Also Ctrl-Z. I would think this to be one of the most essential operations, specifically for messages that are not filtered into folders automatically. b) move one mail from INBOX to subfolder under Local Folders works. Also Ctrl-Z.
See https://paste.opensuse.org/79698522
That's where my Thunderbird buts the subfolder of the Inbox. Not right below the Inbox at the top. I can not use that setup.
I'm not sure I understand - are you unable to create a subfolder under Inbox? (I see several already). Is that a new TB, new icons ?
It is select messages in one folder, right click, move to, select destination folder. One by one.
See above. If necessary I'll be happy to make a video? I made a couple of screenshots, see attached.
Well, see above, what I move are the old messages from the folder. Typically those older than two months. Not the entire folder. And I do it using Alpine because it runs faster, and makes marking messages with criteria easier.
Maybe Alpine is buggy or functionally incomplete?
Why?
Because you use Alpine and you are telling us about how it does not do things that Thunderbird does, has done for years. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (0.8°C) http://www.hostsuisse.com/ - virtual servers, made in Switzerland.
On 04/12/2020 17.45, Per Jessen wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 04/12/2020 15.22, Per Jessen wrote:
I have just moved 7 files from one subfolder to another under the same IMAP account, worked just fine. Even Ctrl-Z to undo worked fine.
What is a "file" in this context?
Sorry, I meant "mail" of course.
If you mean "mails", then yes, mails from a subfolder of inbox can be moved. Not from the inbox itself. I never had subfolders of Inbox, so I never tried.
a) move one mail from INBOX to subfolder of INBOX - works. Also Ctrl-Z.
I would think this to be one of the most essential operations, specifically for messages that are not filtered into folders automatically.
b) move one mail from INBOX to subfolder under Local Folders works. Also Ctrl-Z.
Here it doesn't. With drag and drop it doesn't. I can make a video, perhaps.
See https://paste.opensuse.org/79698522
That's where my Thunderbird buts the subfolder of the Inbox. Not right below the Inbox at the top. I can not use that setup.
I'm not sure I understand - are you unable to create a subfolder under Inbox? (I see several already). Is that a new TB, new icons ?
I can create a folder (that 'test' folder), but Thunderbird sorts it to another place (using "unified view"). It is physically under INBOX, but Thunderbird does not display it there. See the photo.
It is select messages in one folder, right click, move to, select destination folder. One by one.
See above. If necessary I'll be happy to make a video? I made a couple of screenshots, see attached.
Well, see above, what I move are the old messages from the folder. Typically those older than two months. Not the entire folder. And I do it using Alpine because it runs faster, and makes marking messages with criteria easier.
Maybe Alpine is buggy or functionally incomplete?
Why?
Because you use Alpine and you are telling us about how it does not do things that Thunderbird does, has done for years.
Well, being a text mode program Alpine does not have drag and drop, but it has many features that Thunderbird doesn't have. In this case, it does move/copy operations much faster. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.1 x86_64 at Telcontar)
Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 04/12/2020 17.45, Per Jessen wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 04/12/2020 15.22, Per Jessen wrote:
I have just moved 7 files from one subfolder to another under the same IMAP account, worked just fine. Even Ctrl-Z to undo worked fine.
What is a "file" in this context?
Sorry, I meant "mail" of course.
If you mean "mails", then yes, mails from a subfolder of inbox can be moved. Not from the inbox itself. I never had subfolders of Inbox, so I never tried.
a) move one mail from INBOX to subfolder of INBOX - works. Also Ctrl-Z.
I would think this to be one of the most essential operations, specifically for messages that are not filtered into folders automatically.
b) move one mail from INBOX to subfolder under Local Folders works. Also Ctrl-Z.
Here it doesn't. With drag and drop it doesn't. I can make a video, perhaps.
I'll take your word for it, but that indicates some problem in your environment. Your provider perhaps ?
See https://paste.opensuse.org/79698522
That's where my Thunderbird buts the subfolder of the Inbox. Not right below the Inbox at the top. I can not use that setup.
I'm not sure I understand - are you unable to create a subfolder under Inbox? (I see several already). Is that a new TB, new icons ?
I can create a folder (that 'test' folder), but Thunderbird sorts it to another place (using "unified view"). It is physically under INBOX, but Thunderbird does not display it there. See the photo.
I have never used "unified view", mine seems to be "all". -- Per Jessen, Zürich (0.4°C) http://www.hostsuisse.com/ - dedicated server rental in Switzerland.
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Content-ID: <76b89dea-1dbd-a311-8332-6587b7da1d2d@Telcontar.valinor> On Friday, 2020-12-04 at 20:40 +0100, Per Jessen wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 04/12/2020 17.45, Per Jessen wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 04/12/2020 15.22, Per Jessen wrote:
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I would think this to be one of the most essential operations, specifically for messages that are not filtered into folders automatically.
b) move one mail from INBOX to subfolder under Local Folders works. Also Ctrl-Z.
Here it doesn't. With drag and drop it doesn't. I can make a video, perhaps.
I'll take your word for it, but that indicates some problem in your environment. Your provider perhaps ?
I don't know, I don't remember it working. I can try with GMX. [...] Wow, it worked. ?? Ok, I got it working on Telefonica as well, I found the correct mouse movements to do it. I have to slowly move around the mouse at the destination folder till it highlights, then release the mouse. There is another operation that I tried to do the other day. I opened another Thunderbird window, and I open the source folder in one (say A), and the destination folder in the other window (say B). Drag and drop selected messages from A to B does not work. Ctrl-C in one, ctrl-v in the other, does not work. Or, I open the destination folder in another tab, not another window. Same issue.
See https://paste.opensuse.org/79698522
That's where my Thunderbird buts the subfolder of the Inbox. Not right below the Inbox at the top. I can not use that setup.
I'm not sure I understand - are you unable to create a subfolder under Inbox? (I see several already). Is that a new TB, new icons ?
I can create a folder (that 'test' folder), but Thunderbird sorts it to another place (using "unified view"). It is physically under INBOX, but Thunderbird does not display it there. See the photo.
I have never used "unified view", mine seems to be "all".
Unified view is very useful when one handles several accounts. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. (from openSUSE 15.1 x86_64 at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iHoEARECADoWIQQZEb51mJKK1KpcU/W1MxgcbY1H1QUCX8qvMxwccm9iaW4ubGlz dGFzQHRlbGVmb25pY2EubmV0AAoJELUzGBxtjUfVRzAAnjee9he/JClZZZotq1/R mh6pJ9LLAJ49RAFYMiSNiyPk2tJ3BDWNqZAeZw== =e5LI -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
Carlos E. R. wrote:
I have never used "unified view", mine seems to be "all".
Unified view is very useful when one handles several accounts.
I have four-five , but I would not want them mixed. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (2.6°C) http://www.cloudsuisse.com/ - your owncloud, hosted in Switzerland.
On 06/12/2020 13.54, Per Jessen wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
I have never used "unified view", mine seems to be "all".
Unified view is very useful when one handles several accounts.
I have four-five , but I would not want them mixed.
It is not exactly "mixed", but joined. As you can see in my photo, all my "INBOX" folders are grouped together, same as drafts, templates, sent... making easier to peruse all inboxes. Maybe you did not notice, but my test with creating filters and folders hanging from my ISP inbox, or copying the whole ISP "INBOX tree" to a local directory corrupted the inbox IMAP index at said ISP INBOX. I had to move the entire contents of the ISP INBOX to another folder hoping that would empty their dovecot(?) index and cure the issue. I'm not playing with ISP filtering again. Open https://lists.opensuse.org/archives/list/users@lists.opensuse.org/message/R3... to see the effect it had. I got an email with subject: Subject: Re: [opensuse-support][15.2] yast2 brother printer setup fails but the contents were entirely of: Subject: Re: [opensuse] Re: how to copy imap folders and subfolders with thunderbird On reply, Thunderbird and Alpine both said that Felix Miata was saying
I do. One of my accounts with non trivial traffic is POP only. I use a fetchmail process to get mail from that account and put it
when it was really Anton who said that. The index was corrupted AT my ISP, and telling Thunderbird to rebuild the index (twice) did not work. As I said, I had to empty this INBOX folder completely, and cross my fingers about not having to contact my ISP support (web forum). I keep them crossed. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.1 x86_64 at Telcontar)
Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 06/12/2020 13.54, Per Jessen wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
I have never used "unified view", mine seems to be "all".
Unified view is very useful when one handles several accounts.
I have four-five , but I would not want them mixed.
It is not exactly "mixed", but joined. As you can see in my photo, all my "INBOX" folders are grouped together, same as drafts, templates, sent... making easier to peruse all inboxes.
Maybe, but I still don't think that is useful for me. I wear individual "caps" for my mail accounts.
Maybe you did not notice, but my test with creating filters and folders hanging from my ISP inbox, or copying the whole ISP "INBOX tree" to a local directory corrupted the inbox IMAP index at said ISP INBOX. I had to move the entire contents of the ISP INBOX to another folder hoping that would empty their dovecot(?) index and cure the issue.
I'm not playing with ISP filtering again.
I guess your ISP belongs in the "inept" category :-) if you want to know if they are using dovecot, just use telnet to connect to the imap server. It should say in the welcome message, iirc. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (2.6°C) http://www.hostsuisse.com/ - dedicated server rental in Switzerland.
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Sunday, 2020-12-06 at 15:05 +0100, Per Jessen wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 06/12/2020 13.54, Per Jessen wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
I have never used "unified view", mine seems to be "all".
Unified view is very useful when one handles several accounts.
I have four-five , but I would not want them mixed.
It is not exactly "mixed", but joined. As you can see in my photo, all my "INBOX" folders are grouped together, same as drafts, templates, sent... making easier to peruse all inboxes.
Maybe, but I still don't think that is useful for me. I wear individual "caps" for my mail accounts.
:-DD So do I, but if I'm looking at openSUSE email and see there is new email on some other account, I know I have to change hat fast - if the other inbox is further away, I would not notice that soon.
Maybe you did not notice, but my test with creating filters and folders hanging from my ISP inbox, or copying the whole ISP "INBOX tree" to a local directory corrupted the inbox IMAP index at said ISP INBOX. I had to move the entire contents of the ISP INBOX to another folder hoping that would empty their dovecot(?) index and cure the issue.
I'm not playing with ISP filtering again.
I guess your ISP belongs in the "inept" category :-) if you want to know if they are using dovecot, just use telnet to connect to the imap server. It should say in the welcome message, iirc.
I see it in the headers of email, or perhaps reading the logs when using fetchmail: Received: from dovector01.e.movistar.es ([217.116.1.119]) which seems to indicate it is dovecot or the fetchmail log: mail-20200830.xz:<2.6> 2020-08-20T11:57:57.794560+02:00 Telcontar fetchmail 5008 - - - - - 6.3.26 querying imap.telefonica.net (protocol IMAP) at 2020-08-20T11:57:57 CEST: poll started - - - Trying to connect to 86.109.99.71/143...connected. - - - IMAP< * OK [CAPABILITY IMAP4rev1 LITERAL+ SASL-IR LOGIN-REFERRALS ID ENABLE IDLE AUTH=PLAIN AUTH=CRAM-MD5] e.movistar.es. - - - IMAP> A0001 CAPABILITY - - - IMAP< * CAPABILITY IMAP4rev1 LITERAL+ SASL-IR LOGIN-REFERRALS ID ENABLE IDLE AUTH=PLAIN AUTH=CRAM-MD5 - - - IMAP< A0001 OK Pre-login capabilities listed, post-login capabilities have more. - - - IMAP> A0002 AUTHENTICATE CRAM-MD5 - - - IMAP< + PD...== - - - IMAP> cm...== - - - IMAP< * CAPABILITY IMAP4rev1 LITERAL+ SASL-IR LOGIN-REFERRALS ID ENABLE IDLE SORT SORT=DISPLAY THREAD=REFERENCES THREAD=REFS THREAD=ORDEREDSUBJECT MULTIAPPE> - - - IMAP< A0002 OK Logged in - - - IMAP> A0003 SELECT "Inbox" - - - IMAP< * FLAGS (\Answered \Flagged \Deleted \Seen \Draft NonJunk $label1 jerk z-half-jerk $label4 $label5 curio googlegroups interesting closed Junk banned c> - - - IMAP< * OK [PERMANENTFLAGS (\Answered \Flagged \Deleted \Seen \Draft NonJunk $label1 jerk z-half-jerk $label4 $label5 curio googlegroups interesting closed > - - - IMAP< * 4626 EXISTS - - - IMAP< * 0 RECENT - - - IMAP< * OK [UNSEEN 5] First unseen. - - - IMAP< * OK [UIDVALIDITY 1499958207] UIDs valid - - - IMAP< * OK [UIDNEXT 2000158] Predicted next UID - - - IMAP< A0003 OK [READ-WRITE] Select completed (0.000 + 0.000 secs). - - - IMAP> A0004 SEARCH UNSEEN UNDELETED - - - IMAP< * SEARCH 5 6 13 14 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 32 34 36 37 38 39 40 43 44 45 46 47 49 50 51 52 53 54 56 57 58 59 60 61 62 63 64 65 66 67> - - - IMAP< A0004 OK Search completed (0.001 + 0.000 secs). - - - 4626 messages (3808 seen) for robin.listas2 at imap.telefonica.net (folder Inbox). - - - IMAP> A0005 FETCH 5:104 RFC822.SIZE - - - IMAP< * 5 FETCH (RFC822.SIZE 6274) - - - IMAP< * 6 FETCH (RFC822.SIZE 3063) ... - - - SMTP< 221 2.0.0 Bye - - - 6.3.26 querying imap.telefonica.net (protocol IMAP) at 2020-08-20T11:57:59 CEST: poll completed - - - Query status=13 (MAXFETCH) - - - normal termination, status 13 Fetchmail doesn't seem to see and log what software it is. I don't know if they are inept; all other mail providers do dumb things in one way or another. Telefonica in fact does fewer. GMX thinks I'm a spammer and makes me change my password on the web interface, gmail... well, it is gmail, what can I say. If you don't know, for instance everytime I use the phone to connect my laptop gmail thinks it is a hacker that got my password, and I also have to login via web to say that it is really me and f... off. Then they invent oauth2; just ask developers of mail daemons and mail clients what they think of it. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. (from openSUSE 15.1 x86_64 at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iHoEARECADoWIQQZEb51mJKK1KpcU/W1MxgcbY1H1QUCX80q1hwccm9iaW4ubGlz dGFzQHRlbGVmb25pY2EubmV0AAoJELUzGBxtjUfVFBkAn27SUs+7R+RxsHxLPwPi wTnerdBsAJ9uRaTOVqjDwm6VAbzU3jUG/NiVBg== =OH0+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
Carlos E. R. wrote:
I don't know if they are inept; all other mail providers do dumb things in one way or another.
"dumb things" does not mean "not following standards". If Telefonica has implemented IMAP with dovecot the way I have, they are fine and you will not have a problem.
GMX thinks I'm a spammer and makes me change my password on the web interface,
That is about policy, not about IMAP implementation. Policy overrides everything, no matter how technically adept a provider is. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (1.5°C) http://www.hostsuisse.com/ - virtual servers, made in Switzerland.
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Sunday, 2020-12-06 at 20:58 +0100, Per Jessen wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
I don't know if they are inept; all other mail providers do dumb things in one way or another.
"dumb things" does not mean "not following standards". If Telefonica has implemented IMAP with dovecot the way I have, they are fine and you will not have a problem.
Maybe it is the web frontend which did the corruptions. They may have software doing things directly to the database. I know this particular telefonica account has a problem (for years) that they told me they can not solve. There is a subcontractor involved. They do not permit new accounts, they tell people to use gmail instead. The account is "robin.listas2", which has an alias "robin.listas", for reasons I don't remember, long ago. When I'm connected to it, suddenly the entire folder will appear empty (no matter the client). It will remain empty till a new email appears, and then the folder repopulates, and the client has to reload it again, whole (I did not check other folders). So I have a mail thread in gmail in my phone to send a "awake!" message to this account to trigger the repopulation. I have not detected the issue since I emptied the entire folder yesterday. It is the only account with an alias.
GMX thinks I'm a spammer and makes me change my password on the web interface,
That is about policy, not about IMAP implementation.
Policy overrides everything, no matter how technically adept a provider is.
My point is about MSPs doing stupid things - can I say stupid here? ;-) If you care about standards, the gmail implementation is non standard in many manners. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. (from openSUSE 15.1 x86_64 at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iHIEARECADIWIQQZEb51mJKK1KpcU/W1MxgcbY1H1QUCX808fhQccm9iaW4ubGlz dGFzQGdteC5lcwAKCRC1MxgcbY1H1dG7AJ9xYKwiBBEssH9M4vSYygX1Z0D7OACg lVlyf1y9s1zKZ2Z8vSaHkhOJ6N4= =20/t -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Sunday, 2020-12-06 at 21:18 +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On Sunday, 2020-12-06 at 20:58 +0100, Per Jessen wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
I don't know if they are inept; all other mail providers do dumb things in one way or another.
"dumb things" does not mean "not following standards". If Telefonica has implemented IMAP with dovecot the way I have, they are fine and you will not have a problem.
Maybe it is the web frontend which did the corruptions. They may have software doing things directly to the database.
I know this particular telefonica account has a problem (for years) that they told me they can not solve. There is a subcontractor involved. They do not permit new accounts, they tell people to use gmail instead.
The account is "robin.listas2", which has an alias "robin.listas", for reasons I don't remember, long ago. When I'm connected to it, suddenly the entire folder will appear empty (no matter the client). It will remain empty till a new email appears, and then the folder repopulates, and the client has to reload it again, whole (I did not check other folders).
For example, sometimes this happens, and I managed to take a "screenshot": N 441 20-12-03 09:49 Neal Gompa project@list (7652) openSUSE Board Elections 2020 Platform N 442 20-12-03 09:17 David Mulder ngompa@opens (14K) Re: openSUSE Board Elections 2020 Platform 443 20-12-06 21:16 Per Jessen opensuse-pro (8172) Re: Discord implies discord N 444 20-12-06 20:58 Per Jessen opensuse@ope (6506) Re: [opensuse] Re: how to copy imap folders and subfolders with thunderbird N 445 20-12-06 14:58 James Knott users@lists. (9993) Re: [opensuse] Re: Ubiquiti Controller Software for Linux - DEB only? N 446 (0) 447 20-12-06 21:18 Carlos E. R. users@lists. (11K) Re: [opensuse] Re: how to copy imap folders and subfolders with thunderbird See the last but one line? That glitch happens often. Maybe the headers do appear, but size is zero and attempting to read it produces an empty email, then the entire line disapears. I have not observed the issue on other accounts of the same provider, but of course, this account gets many emails. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. (from openSUSE 15.1 x86_64 at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iHIEARECADIWIQQZEb51mJKK1KpcU/W1MxgcbY1H1QUCX809/BQccm9iaW4ubGlz dGFzQGdteC5lcwAKCRC1MxgcbY1H1RJ0AJ9tGZ3yyDCujM6fzenq5WuOsGmg7QCe M6+/Qkn9/BSbExQg1HncqxuAHIw= =n1oY -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Sunday, 2020-12-06 at 21:24 +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On Sunday, 2020-12-06 at 21:18 +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On Sunday, 2020-12-06 at 20:58 +0100, Per Jessen wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
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For example, sometimes this happens, and I managed to take a "screenshot":
N 441 20-12-03 09:49 Neal Gompa project@list (7652) openSUSE Board Elections 2020 Platform N 442 20-12-03 09:17 David Mulder ngompa@opens (14K) Re: openSUSE Board Elections 2020 Platform 443 20-12-06 21:16 Per Jessen opensuse-pro (8172) Re: Discord implies discord N 444 20-12-06 20:58 Per Jessen opensuse@ope (6506) Re: [opensuse] Re: how to copy imap folders and subfolders with thunderbird N 445 20-12-06 14:58 James Knott users@lists. (9993) Re: [opensuse] Re: Ubiquiti Controller Software for Linux - DEB only? N 446 (0) 447 20-12-06 21:18 Carlos E. R. users@lists. (11K) Re: [opensuse] Re: how to copy imap folders and subfolders with thunderbird
See the last but one line? That glitch happens often. Maybe the headers do appear, but size is zero and attempting to read it produces an empty email, then the entire line disapears. I have not observed the issue on other accounts of the same provider, but of course, this account gets many emails.
Like this (second line): 446 20-12-06 21:18 Carlos E. R. users@lists. (11K) Re: [opensuse] Re: how to copy imap folders and subfolders with thunderbird N 447 20-12-06 15:22 Don Siders via lazarus lazarus@list (0) Re: [Lazarus] Using Chrome API in Lazarus - possible on Linux? N 448 20-12-06 15:22 Don Siders via lazarus lazarus@list (6498) Re: [Lazarus] Using Chrome API in Lazarus - possible on Linux? N 449 20-12-06 21:24 Carlos E. R. users@lists. (12K) Re: [opensuse] Re: how to copy imap folders and subfolders with thunderbird 450 20-12-06 21:24 Carlos E. R. users@lists. (12K) Re: [opensuse] Re: how to copy imap folders and subfolders with thunderbird - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. (from openSUSE 15.1 x86_64 at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iHIEARECADIWIQQZEb51mJKK1KpcU/W1MxgcbY1H1QUCX80+xxQccm9iaW4ubGlz dGFzQGdteC5lcwAKCRC1MxgcbY1H1dQ2AKCFUOPBuHnzq5odneCTmkft+hKFswCe Nwp2HfL75HzwwDtYBc7J+82LW70= =IphZ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
On 04/12/2020 09:22, Per Jessen wrote:
All on our hosting dovecot server - I don't have access to another one to try a server-to-server.
I do. One of my accounts with non trivial traffic is POP only. I use a fetchmail process to get mail from that account and put it into my local Dovecot server so that I can access it from my thunderbird using IMAP. it worked just fine. Not complicated at all. Then I thought about it; I was using archives on my IMAP accounts at my ISP eating into the storage there and they weren't giving me any indexing. In case you are unaware, you can configure the "Archive" URL on each IMAP account with Thunderbird and set to to be sing, by year, or by year&month. And also with the 'old messages' that are over 30 days or whatever you set or over a certain number of messages in your inbox that you set. Take a look at the setup for yourself. So I set the Dovecot to _also_ have an ARCHIVE tree for the various accounts and set the pointers for archiving there appropriately for each account. Yes, it takes time to set all this up, but it isn't difficult. -- “Reality is so complex, we must move away from dogma, whether it’s conspiracy theories or free-market,” -- James Glattfelder. http://jth.ch/jbg
On 04/12/2020 22:26, Anton Aylward wrote:
Yes, it takes time to set all this up, but it isn't difficult.
The problem is when you do a hand copy instead of tellin T'Bird to 'ove' messages. Silly me. So I get this situation: anton@main:~/Mail/IMAP> file 0* 0NotSpam: UTF-8 Unicode text, with very long lines 0NotSpam.new: ASCII text 0NotSpam.old: UTF-8 Unicode text, with very long lines The dot-new file is readable by T'Bird, the other two are not. Is there any way to fix that? -- “Reality is so complex, we must move away from dogma, whether it’s conspiracy theories or free-market,” -- James Glattfelder. http://jth.ch/jbg
On 05/12/2020 04.31, Felix Miata wrote:
On 04/12/2020 09:22, Per Jessen wrote:
All on our hosting dovecot server - I don't have access to another one to try a server-to-server.
I do. One of my accounts with non trivial traffic is POP only. I use a fetchmail process to get mail from that account and put it into my local Dovecot server so that I can access it from my thunderbird using IMAP. it worked just fine. Not complicated at all.
This doesn't have any thing to do with "printers" as the subject line says... I guess that my attempt to create just one mail filter at my ISP webmail (and IMAP) has corrupted the indexing at my ISP :-/ I will not ever again try to do filtering at my ISP. I knew I should not play with those things... I may now have to empty the folder completely and hope that repairs it :-/ -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.1 x86_64 at Telcontar)
On 04/12/2020 22:52, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 05/12/2020 04.31, Felix Miata wrote:
On 04/12/2020 09:22, Per Jessen wrote:
All on our hosting dovecot server - I don't have access to another one to try a server-to-server.
I do. One of my accounts with non trivial traffic is POP only. I use a fetchmail process to get mail from that account and put it into my local Dovecot server so that I can access it from my thunderbird using IMAP. it worked just fine. Not complicated at all.
This doesn't have any thing to do with "printers" as the subject line says...
I think you've got messages confused in this threading. I replied to a message whose $SUBJ was "Re: [opensuse] Re: how to copy imap folders and subfolders with thunderbird" and you've quoted the opening lines of my reply above but don't have me in the "wrote"" list. Curious. -- “Reality is so complex, we must move away from dogma, whether it’s conspiracy theories or free-market,” -- James Glattfelder. http://jth.ch/jbg
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Friday, 2020-12-04 at 23:25 -0500, Anton Aylward wrote:
On 04/12/2020 22:52, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 05/12/2020 04.31, Felix Miata wrote:
On 04/12/2020 09:22, Per Jessen wrote:
All on our hosting dovecot server - I don't have access to another one to try a server-to-server.
I do. One of my accounts with non trivial traffic is POP only. I use a fetchmail process to get mail from that account and put it into my local Dovecot server so that I can access it from my thunderbird using IMAP. it worked just fine. Not complicated at all.
This doesn't have any thing to do with "printers" as the subject line says...
I think you've got messages confused in this threading. I replied to a message whose $SUBJ was "Re: [opensuse] Re: how to copy imap folders and subfolders with thunderbird" and you've quoted the opening lines of my reply above but don't have me in the "wrote"" list.
Curious.
I know you did. My ISP INBOX indexing is apparently borked, Thunderbird going nuts. it started after I created one filter rule at the ISP, and did one INBOX tree copy to local folder via drag and drop, as mentioned earlier in this thread. Second error like this today. Both Thunderbird and Alpine had the same error, meaning the problem was not local. Now it is only Thunderbird whic had an error. I have now moved all the contents of my INCOX to a local folder using Alpine, and let's hope the issue is purged. I should be in bed... - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. (from openSUSE 15.1 x86_64 at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iHoEARECADoWIQQZEb51mJKK1KpcU/W1MxgcbY1H1QUCX8sOFxwccm9iaW4ubGlz dGFzQHRlbGVmb25pY2EubmV0AAoJELUzGBxtjUfVBG4AoJkqIGJzIH//0eZ2mY3v blapl3TuAJ0du5rVbWbt6NnAAnMNcHZfwyOTCA== =ueQs -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
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