Re: [SuSE Linux] Vote for SuSE
Jesus! what a whining! It looks like you [americans] want everything to go the pizza hut or mcdonald's way ... even what OSes are concerned. Sorry of the flame but I am somehow fed up by that kind of super-market mentality. Anyway ... APS ] Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 08:45:31 -0500 (EST) ] Reply-To: camst65+@pitt.edu ] From: Chris Martin <camst65+@pitt.edu> ] To: Zulfiqar Naushad <zulfiqar@shaw.wave.ca> ] Subject: Re: [SuSE Linux] Vote for SuSE ] Cc: suse-linux-e@suse.com, Gerry Doris <gdoris@shaw.wave.ca> ] ] ] I couldn't agree more with this. I have to admit that despite the fact that ] SuSE has been very good to me (as a product), the recent total lack of ] attention to detail surrounding 6.0 and the fact that RedHat is exploding ] forward give me many doubts about SuSE as a company. Ultimately, in this ] consumer driven world, the only way products hang around, even when they are ] good/great like SuSE, is to have the coplementary good/great backing through ] various support channels and, of course, things like an up to date and ] comprehensive web site and, generally, a strong and attentive company ] backing it. And, one must remember the mantra invoked by most strong companies ] (RedHat?), IMAGE, IMAGE IMAGE Else, like someone on here so correctly said, ] SuSE becomes the Amiga, the OS2, etc. I like SuSE a lot, but I am feeling less ] and less like putting up with being in the minority's minority (even given that ] I have a slightly better product) and with difficulties in getting what I want ] when I want it (like RPM's! and up to date WebPages). If SuSE doesn't shift ] into high gear, I fear that even your above average computer user, who ] appreciates what SuSE has to offer over other distbns, will find themselves ] nonetheless considering other distbns for these myriad reasons. ] ] To end this all on a nice note: Go SuSE! ] ] ] ] On 10-Feb-99 Zulfiqar Naushad wrote: ] > ] > I couldn't have said it better. ] > ] > SuSE , I personally think, is a better product than RH, but seeing that they ] > do not promote their product well in NA really really does hurt them where it ] > hurts most. RH is almost synonymous with Linux, and vice versa. In fact, a ] > newbie friend of mine didn't know that there was a company other than RH that ] > produced Linux [distros]. ] > ] > And yes, the american site of SuSE is a shame!! I mean it. www.suse.de/e is ] > much better and much up to date. Why can't they just mirror the site to the ] > american version, with some changes of course. ] > ] > ps. Gerry, I noticed that you are a Shaw Wave customer, so am I. ] > ] > I just wanted to ask where did you get your SuSE package? I got mine from ] > Chapters [Highway7 and Woodbine] for only 45 bucks. ] > ] > I noticed that Chapters is now carrying the CALDERA OPEN LINUX 1.3 BASE ] > version, but the price is a whopping 110 Canadian Dollars. JEEZ!!! ] > ] > Gerry Doris wrote: ] > ] >> ] >> 6.0 has been released in Europe but Suse haven't bothered to update their ] >> NA website in months. There is still the same old tired description of ] >> what were going to be treated to...and much of it is wrong (ie. will ship ] >> with 2.2 kernel, will be totally 2.2 kernel ready...). I've heard rumours ] >> that 6.0 is actually shipping in NA but you wouldn't know it from anything ] >> Suse does. Most companies would be making press releases all over the ] >> place??? ] >> ] >> Sorry if I'm being overly critical but there are other people working ] >> very very hard to get my attention and $$$. If Suse thinks that just ] >> tossing a product into the market (even if it's a superior product) will ] >> win the day, well, they have a lot to learn. ] >> ] > ] > ] > ] > ] > - ] > To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with ] > this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e ] > Check out the SuSE-FAQ at <A HREF="http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/"><A HREF="http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/</A">http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/</A</A>> and the ] > archiv at <A HREF="http://www.suse.com/Mailinglists/suse-linux-e/index.html"><A HREF="http://www.suse.com/Mailinglists/suse-linux-e/index.html</A">http://www.suse.com/Mailinglists/suse-linux-e/index.html</A</A>> ] ] ------------------------------------------ ] E-Mail: Chris Martin <camst65@pitt.edu> ] Date: 10-Feb-99 ] Time: 08:29:37 ] ] ** Powered by SuSE Linux. You want it?! ** ] ] <A HREF="http://www.suse.com"><A HREF="http://www.suse.com</A">http://www.suse.com</A</A>> | <A HREF="http://www.linux.org"><A HREF="http://www.linux.org</A">http://www.linux.org</A</A>> ] ] ------------------------------------------ ] - ] To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with ] this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e ] Check out the SuSE-FAQ at <A HREF="http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/"><A HREF="http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/</A">http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/</A</A>> and the ] archiv at <A HREF="http://www.suse.com/Mailinglists/suse-linux-e/index.html"><A HREF="http://www.suse.com/Mailinglists/suse-linux-e/index.html</A">http://www.suse.com/Mailinglists/suse-linux-e/index.html</A</A>> - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e Check out the SuSE-FAQ at <A HREF="http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/"><A HREF="http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/</A">http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/</A</A>> and the archiv at <A HREF="http://www.suse.com/Mailinglists/suse-linux-e/index.html"><A HREF="http://www.suse.com/Mailinglists/suse-linux-e/index.html</A">http://www.suse.com/Mailinglists/suse-linux-e/index.html</A</A>>
i don't think he was whining. if nobody sees the product in stores, or if the US website isn't up to date, then how are people in the US going to discover SuSE or take it seriously? greg
Jesus! what a whining!
It looks like you [americans] want everything to go the pizza hut or mcdonald's way ... even what OSes are concerned. Sorry of the flame but I am somehow fed up by that kind of super-market mentality.
Anyway ...
APS
] Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 08:45:31 -0500 (EST) ] Reply-To: camst65+@pitt.edu ] From: Chris Martin <camst65+@pitt.edu> ] To: Zulfiqar Naushad <zulfiqar@shaw.wave.ca> ] Subject: Re: [SuSE Linux] Vote for SuSE ] Cc: suse-linux-e@suse.com, Gerry Doris <gdoris@shaw.wave.ca> ] ] ] I couldn't agree more with this. I have to admit that despite the fact that ] SuSE has been very good to me (as a product), the recent total lack of ] attention to detail surrounding 6.0 and the fact that RedHat is exploding ] forward give me many doubts about SuSE as a company. Ultimately, in this ] consumer driven world, the only way products hang around, even when they are ] good/great like SuSE, is to have the coplementary good/great backing through ] various support channels and, of course, things like an up to date and ] comprehensive web site and, generally, a strong and attentive company ] backing it. And, one must remember the mantra invoked by most strong companies ] (RedHat?), IMAGE, IMAGE IMAGE Else, like someone on here so correctly said, ] SuSE becomes the Amiga, the OS2, etc. I like SuSE a lot, but I am feeling less ] and less like putting up with being in the minority's minority (even given that ] I have a slightly better product) and with difficulties in getting what I want ] when I want it (like RPM's! and up to date WebPages). If SuSE doesn't shift ] into high gear, I fear that even your above average computer user, who ] appreciates what SuSE has to offer over other distbns, will find themselves ] nonetheless considering other distbns for these myriad reasons. ] ] To end this all on a nice note: Go SuSE! ] ] ] ] On 10-Feb-99 Zulfiqar Naushad wrote: ] > ] > I couldn't have said it better. ] > ] > SuSE , I personally think, is a better product than RH, but seeing that they ] > do not promote their product well in NA really really does hurt them where it ] > hurts most. RH is almost synonymous with Linux, and vice versa. In fact, a ] > newbie friend of mine didn't know that there was a company other than RH that ] > produced Linux [distros]. ] > ] > And yes, the american site of SuSE is a shame!! I mean it. www.suse.de/e is ] > much better and much up to date. Why can't they just mirror the site to the ] > american version, with some changes of course. ] > ] > ps. Gerry, I noticed that you are a Shaw Wave customer, so am I. ] > ] > I just wanted to ask where did you get your SuSE package? I got mine from ] > Chapters [Highway7 and Woodbine] for only 45 bucks. ] > ] > I noticed that Chapters is now carrying the CALDERA OPEN LINUX 1.3 BASE ] > version, but the price is a whopping 110 Canadian Dollars. JEEZ!!! ] > ] > Gerry Doris wrote: ] > ] >> ] >> 6.0 has been released in Europe but Suse haven't bothered to update their ] >> NA website in months. There is still the same old tired description of ] >> what were going to be treated to...and much of it is wrong (ie. will ship ] >> with 2.2 kernel, will be totally 2.2 kernel ready...). I've heard rumours ] >> that 6.0 is actually shipping in NA but you wouldn't know it from anything ] >> Suse does. Most companies would be making press releases all over the ] >> place??? ] >> ] >> Sorry if I'm being overly critical but there are other people working ] >> very very hard to get my attention and $$$. If Suse thinks that just ] >> tossing a product into the market (even if it's a superior product) will ] >> win the day, well, they have a lot to learn. ] >> ] > ] > ] > ] > ] > - ] > To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with ] > this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e ] > Check out the SuSE-FAQ at <A HREF="http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/"><A HREF="http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/</A">http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/</A</A>> and the ] > archiv at <A HREF="http://www.suse.com/Mailinglists/suse-linux-e/index.html"><A HREF="http://www.suse.com/Mailinglists/suse-linux-e/index.html</A">http://www.suse.com/Mailinglists/suse-linux-e/index.html</A</A>> ] ] ------------------------------------------ ] E-Mail: Chris Martin <camst65@pitt.edu> ] Date: 10-Feb-99 ] Time: 08:29:37 ] ] ** Powered by SuSE Linux. You want it?! ** ] ] <A HREF="http://www.suse.com"><A HREF="http://www.suse.com</A">http://www.suse.com</A</A>> | <A HREF="http://www.linux.org"><A HREF="http://www.linux.org</A">http://www.linux.org</A</A>> ] ] ------------------------------------------ ] - ] To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with ] this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e ] Check out the SuSE-FAQ at <A HREF="http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/"><A HREF="http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/</A">http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/</A</A>> and the ] archiv at <A HREF="http://www.suse.com/Mailinglists/suse-linux-e/index.html"><A HREF="http://www.suse.com/Mailinglists/suse-linux-e/index.html</A">http://www.suse.com/Mailinglists/suse-linux-e/index.html</A</A>> - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e Check out the SuSE-FAQ at <A HREF="http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/"><A HREF="http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/</A">http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/</A</A>> and the archiv at <A HREF="http://www.suse.com/Mailinglists/suse-linux-e/index.html"><A HREF="http://www.suse.com/Mailinglists/suse-linux-e/index.html</A">http://www.suse.com/Mailinglists/suse-linux-e/index.html</A</A>>
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