On 08/16/2016 03:21 AM, Andrei Borzenkov wrote:

On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 10:05 AM, Felix Miata wrote:

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Without any NFS or Samba configuration on either computer on either end???

ftp, scp, sftp ... but yes, they likely need some additional configuration, even as much as enabling service or opening firewall port.

Don't forget rsync. No configuration needed except ip and firewall. -- Ken linux since 1994 S.u.S.E./openSUSE since 1996 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Per Jessen composed on 2016-08-16 09:28 (UTC+0200):

Felix Miata wrote:

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Per Jessen composed on 2016-08-16 08:50 (UTC+0200):

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Constant Brouerius van Nidek composed on 2016-08-16 13:21 (UTC+0700): ...

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My two computers are both connected through a switch with the router by cable. I want to have the possibility to exchange data between the computers on a regular base....

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Sounds like you've done most of the work already, i.e. the two computers are connected to a switch. Then you just need to assign some network addresses. As you have a router on your network too (presumably for your internet connection), it probably has a dhcp server, so just configure both computers to use dhcp (the default) on the network interface. All done.

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Without any NFS or Samba configuration on either computer on either end???

Sure - he can use scp, rsync, netcat, ftp etc. Plenty of options, but it depends on how and what data he wants to exchange.

Are you sure you're not missing some implications of the OP's language. I doubt he meant "possibility" in the strict sense of the word. I'm guessing he's primarily interested in ease of use, which for the most part excludes cmdline utilities. For the most part, I use /etc/exports and a smattering of fstab entries, but I wonder what other people who share data on an ongoing/recurring/daily basis, rather than merely occasional, do to maximize ease, more or less as if the two computers were two users of one computer? -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 08/16/2016 03:47 AM, Felix Miata wrote:

I'm guessing he's primarily interested in ease of use, which for the most part excludes cmdline utilities.

it depends on what you mean by 'ease of use'. Try this, the F15 vs the herc. https://www.strategypage.com/humor/articles/pilots.asp So there tou are with your GUI doing darg and drop, step and repeat,. I do a {mv, scp, sftp, ftp} and go have a coffee , stretch my legs, arrange a date with Anne in Auditing ... That way I don't get wrist RSI, hunched shoulders & scoliosis from slaving over a hot keyboard. More to the point, I can CLI with very little bandwidth; give me 150/75 and I can do well. It doesn't have to be a clear two tone modem, it can by a parasitic stenographic covert channel; the uplink and downlink don't have to be the same and it can be, thank you Hedy Lamarr, channel agile. None of this is new. The wonder is that the 'terrorists' either don't employ it, preferring Facebook, the idiots, or, the HSA/NSA/ and other security agencies are aware that they do but don't want to publicise this. After all, how difficult would it be. Sorry guys, you can do a lot more with CLI! -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 08/16/2016 01:14 PM, Felix Miata wrote:

Anton Aylward composed on 2016-08-16 09:42 (UTC-0400):

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Felix Miata wrote:

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I'm guessing he's primarily interested in ease of use, which for the most part excludes cmdline utilities.

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it depends on what you mean by 'ease of use'.

I mean ordinary minute to minute use, not periodic admin tasks like backup management. I mean things like being able to open a particular spreadsheet or group of form letters with equal ease from either of the two computers, or checking to see what time some doc recently worked with was last saved, something that would be facilitated if there were symlinks from various remote directories living in individual homes, with permissions appropriate for easy sharing.

Well, I was doing that with UNIX machines long before Linux; SCO linux, Xenix, SUNOS, early AIX, early HP/UX. And yes it was command line stuff. And yes there were spreadsheets before Windows or X11. mapped to todays terminology I would have something like this On machine A,B, C though ... have /mnt/NFS/Machines/ with subdirecotries for mount points for all the 'other' machines in the group. Have /etc/fstab soft mount the exported trees of the other machines there. An each of the machines A, B, C though .... NFS export what you want to share. You can make this as flexible as you need since you can also symlink. Until about 5 years ago I had a lightweight laptop for travelling and at 'home' had all my ~anton on the NFS server. I would work on the patio, in the lounge, on the laptop with a wifi connection and the ~anton/Documents of my server mounted to ~/Documents of my laptop. Once I tried a NFS mount on a transatlantic link with only a 56K link at one end. It worked; it was usable for CLI. I could edit using VI . To be honest, I've used IBM 3250 to mainframe synchronous links over a few miles that have had worse responsiveness. The bottom line is that NFS works, it works very well. It may take a bit of consideration, but works brilliantly on a LAN. Once mounted, for the vast majority of applications a NFS mounted file system behaves just like a local mounted file system. All that you describe as "ordinary minute to minute use" meet that, are quite transparent. "Tumblweweed" doesn't come into it. Being on the same LAN, just a switch apart, you can probably use NFS/TCP. I think you've mention that you have a fast network. That being the case, the network, the NFS wont be your limiting feature. -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 08/16/2016 10:28 PM, Felix Miata wrote:

What you're saying is more or less what I've been doing for years. OP apparently hasn't been able to locate a grokable explanation of how to achieve such end.

I've set up various networks and to be honest I've had less trouble with NFS on a LAN than anything else. I'm assuming the OP is only inexperienced and not stupid. There are any number of HOW-TO articles out there that google will show you; some are easier to follow that the instruction in my copy of O'Reilly's "Managing NFS and NIS", which is overly comprehensive. It comes down to, if you'll pardon me quoting, Just Do It! If you have problems, check for typos. Don't try anything too sophisticated the first time. When you ask for help, give all the details you can. http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org