--- Martin Schlander wrote:

I believe the standard oss installation source (freeze of factory) will be on openSUSE mirrors. And Extra, KDE-update, Misc, etc. will be on ftp.suse.com-mirrors. I agree that it would be nice to have inst-source on ftp.suse.com-mirrors too.

Guess it's a matter of how much the mirror-people will put up with.

I highly doubt that, as I've been using SUSE since 6.x days, and everything has always been in one place, as it should be, until 10.0. SUSE OSS could have been nothing more than links to the appropriate parts of the suse directory tree. Looking at ftp://mirror.mcs.anl.gov/pub/suse/i386 one can see that directories exist for 9.0, and 9.1. 9.0 should be past security support by now, and 9.1 soon to follow. If 9.0 were removed from the mirrors, there would be more than enough room for the inst-source tree for 10.1. ftp://mirrors.kernel.org/ has both the suse tree, and opensuse tree. They certainly couldn't object to having the inst-source tree moved to the suse tree once it's finalized. OpenSUSE should be reserved for working on the next SUSE release, and the finished/finalized product should be moved to the suse.com mirrors, to avoid any confusion.

But Debian doesn't seem to have problems with mirrors > and with their 14 cds and god knows how many

architectures and many netinstalls they must wreck havoc on mirrors.

And by the way - Guru and Packman are working on a merger. That'll make things a little bit simpler.

At least that makes sense. -- imotgm __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

On Wed, 2006-04-26 at 15:01 +0200, Pascal Bleser wrote:

frank nelson wrote:

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--- Martin Schlander wrote: ...

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And by the way - Guru and Packman are working on a merger. That'll make things a little bit simpler.

At least that makes sense.

Hey, don't hold your breath, I'm "working" on migrating my RPMs over to Packman since almost a year ;) Not trivial to move 6 GB of packages.

Packman already has a quite good mirror infrastructure though, given it's a community project and not a distribution on its own: ftp://packman.links2linux.org/pub/packman/MIRRORS

Of course, if anyone has good contacts to some mirrors in the US... we could use some more over there. (or Belnet, or Heanet, ... ;))

cheers

You could try and contact ale.org (Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts). Maybe they could host a mirror site. -- Ken Schneider UNIX since 1989, linux since 1994, SuSE since 1998

On Wednesday 26 April 2006 14:44, frank nelson wrote:

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Guess it's a matter of how much the mirror-people will put up with.

I highly doubt that, as I've been using SUSE since 6.x days, and everything has always been in one place, as it should be

Well, a combination of wanting to show off our openess - and the mirrormaintainers not wanting to mirror the same quite large repo twice (i.e. having inst-source on both ftp.suse.com and opensuse. Maybe another idea could be to have some kind of link from the ftp.suse.com mirrors to the inst-sources on opensuse-mirrors. Not sure if it's technically possible.

OpenSUSE should be reserved for working on the next SUSE release, and the finished/finalized product should be moved to the suse.com mirrors, to avoid any confusion.

This is a good idea actually. This would solve the problem with needing two different mirrors. Guess it would also be easier for mirror-maintainers to comprehend. And at the same time perhaps it would reduce the number of people who believe they're using some Linux distro called OpenSUSE (I've never heard seen it personally, but a lot of people talk about it ;) ). cb400f

--- Martin Schlander wrote:

On Wednesday 26 April 2006 14:44, frank nelson wrote:

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and everything has always been in one place, as it should be.

Well, a combination of wanting to show off our openess

Sounds more like the truth, about a misguided ego-trip, and more believable than blaming the mirror maintainers.

and the mirrormaintainers not wanting to mirror the same quite large repo twice (i.e. having inst- source on both ftp.suse.com and opensuse.

Not needed if handled properly. On the openSUSE mirrors there is a directory called factory, and it's called that for a reason. That is the very essence of what openSUSE is. It is the community part of the factory that produces SUSE Linux, and as such, like all factories, when the product is finished, it should be moved to the showroom, both to make room for building the next product in the factory, and to show-off the shiny new product in the showroom. It announces, and confirms that it is in fact finished, and ready for use. The showroom, should be, and always, prior to 10.0, was www.suse.com, and it's mirrors. The openSUSE mirrors should reflect the fact that they are the factory, and contain only works in progress. On Usenet we keep getting questions from people who went searching for SUSE 10.0, saw 10.1 and jumped right into the latest and greatest, not understanding the concept of beta software, and later, complaining when it doesn't work as expected. The finished and unfinished state of the product, SUSE Linux, needs to be the deciding factor as to where it resides, not the openness. By it's very nature all of SUSE Linux is OSS, except for the few things in the *extra directory, or at least that should be the dividing line. Anyone wanting pure OSS should be able to install all of SUSE, except the contents of the *extra directory, and know they have only OSS. All proprietary non-OSS things offered by SUSE Linux should properly be found in *extra only. This is a far more logical separation scheme than has existed with SUSE 10.0, and much easier for a SUSE newbie to grasp. -- imotgm __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com