Bruce Marshall wrote:

On Thursday 24 November 2005 10:34 am, SuSE Ground Zero wrote:

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Got my SUSE 10.0 box some days ago, install and stuff.

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Waiting to see if Novell is going to release some multimedia packs in YOU, like in 9.3.

Bye,

A not at all happy SUSE camper.

It's amazing how some people have all the problems, while most of us have none.

And everyone is entitled to their opinion.

Mine is that you should switch to Windows.

Enjoy.

We still got our opinions, it is still not patent infringment to talk. Maybe you gonna porpose to your congress representative a law against free opinion. I was perorating about switching to closed tech like windows. I wanted my message to be a signal that SUSE is not SuSE.

On Thu, 2005-11-24 at 13:08 -0500, Michael W Cocke wrote:

On Thu, 24 Nov 2005 18:11:25 +0200, you wrote:

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Bruce Marshall wrote: [snippage]

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We still got our opinions, it is still not patent infringment to talk. Maybe you gonna porpose to your congress representative a law against free opinion.

I was perorating about switching to closed tech like windows. I wanted my message to be a signal that SUSE is not SuSE.

Actually it's a signal that you're an idiot.

LOL!! I'd say!

Mike-

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Well let me add a few c's I have successfully setup and configured 700 Desktops all with full multimedia and that includes DVD, MP3 and so on ... On my servers I have built and loaded 24 so far and have had tiny issues more based on my lack of know how, but I can say that there are no issues, Since Novel in SA has 101 stories not to provide me with the DVD, I have been happily camping with 10 on CD, There are a few missing packages on the CD's that you can only find on the DVD (which I lack) and I am sure vise versa. All in all 10 is 10 times better than 9.3, and it is faster by far. If anything is broken it is the Service pack for the new NLD. :) Chadley

On Friday 25 November 2005 09:14, Joachim Schrod wrote:

Chadley Wilson wrote:

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Well let me add a few c's

I have successfully setup and configured 700 Desktops all with full multimedia and that includes DVD, MP3 and so on ...

And where did you get the MP3 support from? From the retail DVD as it was in 9.2? (Don't know about 9.3.) If yes, I didn't find it there. (This is not about OpenSUSE.)

Or did you get it from packman? I.e., from a 3rd party SUSE-unsupported package repository?

You're all very quick to insult the OP as being an idiot. But you don't mention that there is no MP3 support on the retail DVD any more. And using packman is seriously difficult beyond one-stop downloading - there are no automatic security online updates available via yast, as online_update handles only SUSE repositories. For online updates, one has to resort to (SUSE-unsupported) apt4rpm which is not nice for the general user.

If your read the OP again, you see that he quarrels mostly about MP3 and Multimedia (except his boot problem). And concerning this area, the 10.0 retail DVD *is* not good. In fact, my brother (who used SUSE since 5.x!) plans to abandon SUSE exactly for that reason. So the OP is not the only person with that problem.

The MP3 problem goes even deeper than that. I used official SuSE updates to update from KDE 3.4 to KDE 3.5 and it broke the KDE sound system. Artsd crashed when a system sound was attempted. This was because SuSE chose to move MP3 support out of its default KDE rpms and put it elsewhere so it could be left out of the default install. When doing the update those new rpms were NOT installed. I had to install them explicitly. I submitted a bug report to the KDE team and wasted their time on this. They were kind enough to identify the solution -- I was not the first to run into this.

On Friday 25 November 2005 09:47, sargon wrote:

On Friday, 25-November-2005 09:35, Robert Paulsen wrote:

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The MP3 problem goes even deeper than that. I used official SuSE updates to update from KDE 3.4 to KDE 3.5 and it broke the KDE sound system. Artsd crashed when a system sound was attempted. This was because SuSE chose to move MP3 support out of its default KDE rpms and put it elsewhere so it could be left out of the default install. When doing the update those new rpms were NOT installed. I had to install them explicitly. I submitted a bug report to the KDE team and wasted their time on this. They were kind enough to identify the solution -- I was not the first to run into this.

For the benefit of those who are battling the problem, what are those RPMs which fixed the issue and where did you find them?

kdemultimedia3-arts-mad-3.5.0-5 kdemultimedia3-mad-3.5.0-5

On Friday 25 November 2005 13:09, sargon wrote:

On Friday, 25-November-2005 11:53, Robert Paulsen wrote:

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For the benefit of those who are battling the problem, what are those RPMs which fixed the issue and where did you find them?

kdemultimedia3-arts-mad-3.5.0-5 kdemultimedia3-mad-3.5.0-5

I have yet to find these for SuSE 10. Google turns up RPMs for 9.3.

Where did you find them for 10?

Well, I have 9.3. But, I looked on the same server and there is a 10.0 directory as well: ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/suse/i386/supplementary/KDE/update_for_10.0/yast-source/suse/i586/ They are in there. I used YaST's "change source of installation" to add an FTP server. Server: ftp.suse.com Directory: pub/suse/i386/supplementary/KDE/update_for_10.0/yast-source Then do "install and remove software". P.S. You might want to find a closer mirror, but I see the link to the list of mirrors is broken: http://www.novell.com/products/linuxprofessional/downloads/ftp/int_mirrors.h...

Paul, On Friday 25 November 2005 11:40, Paul Cartwright wrote:

On Fri November 25 2005 2:23 pm, Robert Paulsen wrote:

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Well, I have 9.3. But, I looked on the same server and there is a 10.0 directory as well: ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/suse/i386/supplementary/KDE/update_for_10.0/ y ast-source/suse/i586/

when I did a software add in YaST and selected kdemultimedia, it found the 3.5 apps. Since I am still on kde 3.4 I'm not sure I want to mix and match 3.4 with 3.5, so maybe I'll wait til I get the KDE 3.5 upgrade. YoU and smart do not show it.

I know nothing of smart and how it's used in and integrated with the SuSE distribution, but I'm pretty sure neither YOU nor the on-line SuSE repositories (the official ones from Novell) will never supply KDE 3.5, only bug-fix updates to the 3.4.2 that shipped with the initial release. In the past, I've routinely moved up to new KDE releases as they were made available on one of the "supplementary" repositories. I do this because KDE progresses quite rapidly and I've come to really appreciate the new features that keep appearing. I've had relatively little trouble with this, but SuSE / Novell isn't going to venture into such major upgrades within a given release. To get their support / blessing of such an upgrade, you have to move up to a new release of the distribution.

Paul Cartwright

Randall Schulz

On Friday, 25-November-2005 13:23, Robert Paulsen wrote:

Well, I have 9.3. But, I looked on the same server and there is a 10.0 directory as well: ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/suse/i386/supplementary/KDE/update_for_10.0/ yast-source/suse/i586/

They are in there. I used YaST's "change source of installation" to add an FTP server. Server: ftp.suse.com Directory: pub/suse/i386/supplementary/KDE/update_for_10.0/yast-source

Then do "install and remove software".

Unfortunately those are symlinks to the 3.4.3 packages. If anyone from SuSE/Novell follows this list and can comment on the availability of kdemultimedi3a-mad and kdemultimedia3-arts-mad packages for SuSE 10, there are several of us who want to know when we might see them.

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pub/suse/i386/supplementary/KDE/update_for_10.0/yast-source

Then do "install and remove software".

Unfortunately those are symlinks to the 3.4.3 packages.

If anyone from SuSE/Novell follows this list and can comment on the availability of kdemultimedi3a-mad and kdemultimedia3-arts-mad packages for SuSE 10, there are several of us who want to know when we might see them.

I might be confused, but I heard the ..-mad things were only included in the dvd, because they are payware. If that is correct, they will not appear on the ftp server. But I'm sleepy and I might be confused, you will have to check yourselves. :-) - -- Cheers, Carlos Robinson -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFDh7qNtTMYHG2NR9URAgWDAJwNSQpPUKL5zG+Uk7Nx8dhtg/TqmACghejU p+5uOhVg8dE0uashA1FrYKU= =5HHW -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

On Friday 25 November 2005 11:40 pm, BandiPat wrote:

Randall, if you haven't given 3.5 KDE a look yet, you should.  Some nice new stuff and all files seem to be stable with this latest build.  The earlier builds caused some bumps, but everything appears to be working together smoothly with everything available now.

Quite right! Fred -- Paid purchaser of ALL SuSE Linux releases since 6.x

On Saturday 26 November 2005 06:55, Paul Cartwright wrote:

On Fri November 25 2005 11:40 pm, BandiPat wrote:

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Randall, if you haven't given 3.5 KDE a look yet, you should.  Some nice new stuff and all files seem to be stable with this latest build.  The earlier builds caused some bumps, but everything appears to be working together smoothly with everything available now.

I just ran the update last night.. I assume I have to log out & bvack in to get the new 3.5 desktop..

-- Paul Cartwright Registered Linux user # 367800 ==========

Correct! Ctrl-Alt-F1, log in as root, init 3, then init 5 to get back! Lee

On Saturday 26 November 2005 21:28, BandiPat wrote:

Correct! Ctrl-Alt-F1, log in as root, init 3, then init 5 to get back!

Lee

For me, just closing the current session restarts X, which I think is more than enough. No need for changing the runlevel so far. Cheers

On Sunday 27 November 2005 06:01, Sunny wrote:

On Saturday 26 November 2005 21:28, BandiPat wrote:

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Correct! Ctrl-Alt-F1, log in as root, init 3, then init 5 to get back!

Lee

For me, just closing the current session restarts X, which I think is more than enough. No need for changing the runlevel so far.

Cheers ========

Closing the current session does not restart X! You can press Ctrl-Alt-Backspace and restart X, but dropping down to init 3 is the safest way to do this. Lee

On Sun November 27 2005 10:33 am, Sunny wrote:

Strange, I even see the NVidia logo ... And ... by current I mean the last one open. If there is another open session, it does not restart X.

that's probably why, I had another user logged in. If I had logged them out first it might have worked. -- Paul Cartwright Registered Linux user # 367800

On Sun November 27 2005 12:06 pm, BandiPat wrote:

Doesn't matter Paul, no matter how many sessions/users are logged in at the time.  If you just close out a Gnome or KDE session back to the login screen, that doesn't restart X!  You have to close X down completely, with either the init 3 or ctrl-alt-backspace, otherwise you won't initialize the new KDE/gnome system files.

got it. I forgot aboiut the CTRL-ALT-backspace.. thanks! -- Paul Cartwright Registered Linux user # 367800

Hi, On Friday 25 November 2005 11:09, sargon wrote:

On Friday, 25-November-2005 11:53, Robert Paulsen wrote:

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For the benefit of those who are battling the problem, what are those RPMs which fixed the issue and where did you find them?

kdemultimedia3-arts-mad-3.5.0-5 kdemultimedia3-mad-3.5.0-5

I have yet to find these for SuSE 10. Google turns up RPMs for 9.3.

Where did you find them for 10?

Use this repository. It has KDE 3.5: http://mirrors.kernel.org/suse/i386/supplementary/KDE/update_for_10.0/yast-s... or Protocol: HTTP Server: mirrors.kernel.org Directory: /suse/i386/supplementary/KDE/update_for_10.0/yast-source Randall Schulz

On Fri, 25 Nov 2005 13:09:32 -0600, you wrote:

On Friday, 25-November-2005 11:53, Robert Paulsen wrote:

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For the benefit of those who are battling the problem, what are those RPMs which fixed the issue and where did you find them?

kdemultimedia3-arts-mad-3.5.0-5 kdemultimedia3-mad-3.5.0-5

I have yet to find these for SuSE 10. Google turns up RPMs for 9.3.

Where did you find them for 10?

FWIW, I tried the 9.3 RPMs on my SuSE 10 laptop, but MP3 files still don't play under KDE.

Odd. I have no problems playing mp3s under SuSE 10 without installing anything special - I prefer xmms but amarok works fine too. Are you talking about opensuse or SuSE 10? Mike- -- Mornings: Evolution in action. Only the grumpy will survive. -- Please note - Due to the intense volume of spam, we have installed site-wide spam filters at catherders.com. If email from you bounces, try non-HTML, non-encoded, non-attachments.

On Friday 25 November 2005 13:09, sargon wrote:

On Friday, 25-November-2005 11:53, Robert Paulsen wrote:

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For the benefit of those who are battling the problem, what are those RPMs which fixed the issue and where did you find them?

kdemultimedia3-arts-mad-3.5.0-5 kdemultimedia3-mad-3.5.0-5

I have yet to find these for SuSE 10. Google turns up RPMs for 9.3.

Where did you find them for 10?

http://rpm.pbone.net/index.php3/stat/14/idka/44895/datan/2005-11-05 HTH, Peter Taylor

I just user Real audio for my mp3 Joachim Schrod wrote:

Chadley Wilson wrote:

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Well let me add a few c's

I have successfully setup and configured 700 Desktops all with full multimedia and that includes DVD, MP3 and so on ...

And where did you get the MP3 support from? From the retail DVD as it was in 9.2? (Don't know about 9.3.) If yes, I didn't find it there. (This is not about OpenSUSE.)

Or did you get it from packman? I.e., from a 3rd party SUSE-unsupported package repository?

You're all very quick to insult the OP as being an idiot. But you don't mention that there is no MP3 support on the retail DVD any more. And using packman is seriously difficult beyond one-stop downloading - there are no automatic security online updates available via yast, as online_update handles only SUSE repositories. For online updates, one has to resort to (SUSE-unsupported) apt4rpm which is not nice for the general user.

If your read the OP again, you see that he quarrels mostly about MP3 and Multimedia (except his boot problem). And concerning this area, the 10.0 retail DVD *is* not good. In fact, my brother (who used SUSE since 5.x!) plans to abandon SUSE exactly for that reason. So the OP is not the only person with that problem.

If I'm wrong and if there is MP3 and Multimedia support on the retail DVD, please tell me where.

Joachim

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Michael W Cocke wrote:

Linux is still (and I sincerely hope remains in the future) targeted at people who have some brains and a need for a computer. When they dumb linux down to the point where it really competes with windows for the same target audience, I'm afraid that it will wind up being as useless as windows.

Listen, pal: I work with Unix since 1982. Actually, I started with Unix 7, with a classic AT&T source license. I work with Linux since 1994 when I installed 0.99.4. I earn my money by planning global data centers for mission-critical Unix servers and IBM mainframes of multi-national companies. Don't talk to me about dumbing down computers -- it's quite possible that I have much more experience with big iron computing than you do. And with this 20+ years of experience with Unix and this 10+ years experience with Linux, I can tell you: You're wrong. If somebody complains that 9.3 supported multimedia and 10.0 doesn't, you think you can call him dumb and insult him. I think that just shows your attitude -- and frankly, that attitude is a dumb one. Linux is not `dumbed down' if multimedia and MP3 work out of the box in a *payed-for* *retail* DVD, this is pure and utter garbage. Joachim -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Joachim Schrod Email: jschrod@acm.org Roedermark, Germany

How much experience does it take to note that a very disappointed user was subject to ad hominem attack, a defender then disdained with arrogance. Is the product a shining example of a major release - at such a high level? Lonn C. Dugan -----Original Message----- From: Bruce Marshall [mailto:bmarsh@bmarsh.com] Sent: Friday, November 25, 2005 18:40 To: SLE Subject: Re: [SLE] SUSE 10 boxed edition broken beyond ... On Friday 25 November 2005 05:40 pm, Joachim Schrod wrote:

Michael W Cocke wrote:

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Linux is still (and I sincerely hope remains in the future) targeted at people who have some brains and a need for a computer. When they dumb linux down to the point where it really competes with windows for the same target audience, I'm afraid that it will wind up being as useless as windows.

Listen, pal: I work with Unix since 1982. Actually, I started with Unix 7, with a classic AT&T source license. I work with Linux since 1994 when I installed 0.99.4. I earn my money by planning global data centers for mission-critical Unix servers and IBM mainframes of multi-national companies. Don't talk to me about dumbing down computers -- it's quite possible that I have much more experience with big iron computing than you do.

Get off your high horse.... There's a lot more experienced people here than you, I can guarantee that.

And with this 20+ years of experience with Unix and this 10+ years experience with Linux, I can tell you: You're wrong.

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On Friday 25 November 2005 10:14 am, Joachim Schrod wrote:

there is no MP3 support on the retail DVD any more

How does Novell/SuSE expect market share to increase with such a glaring omission? I can understand leaving it out of OpenSUSE. The average Windows-using retail customer is just going to walk away. This is the retail box we're talking about. They should pay whatever fee they think is necessary to make it legal and raise the price to cover it. The same with DVD support. I have been purchasing and using the retail boxed set since version 6. The retail box lacking DVD support was bad enough. Now that they don't even include mp3 support, and with the recent Gnome-centric plans for the future, I am seriously considering dropping SuSE. Recently as I stood in CompUSA holding the version 10 box in my hand, I sadly put it back on the shelf and left. Bryan ************************************** Powered by Mepis Linux 3.3.1 KDE 3.4.2 KMail 1.8.2 This is a Microsoft-free computer Bryan S. Tyson bryantyson@earthlink.net **************************************

On Friday 25 November 2005 12:49, Allen wrote: ... clip ...

The "Gnome Centric" crap has passed and almost every Linux news page has had the article saying they dropped the plans when everyone got pissed.

Where did you see that? What I have seen is the "explanation" that KDE would still be available but would not be the default. When I see how Gnome under KDE worked out as a 2nd-class citizen, I worry how their KDE support will erode over time.

On Fri November 25 2005 3:54 pm, Doug McGarrett wrote:

I was recently at the IrfanView site for all the latest Win stuff, and I seem to remember seeing the word Linux there somewhere.  Irfanview plays just about everything; I don't know about encripted DVD's. What is IrfanView?

IrfanView is a very fast, small, compact and innovative FREEWARE (for non-commercial use) graphic viewer for Windows 9x/ME/NT/2000/XP/2003. http://www.irfanview.com/ I saw nothing that said Linux.. I used to run that on my XP box.. -- Paul Cartwright Registered Linux user # 367800

At 10:16 PM 11/25/2005 +0000, Kevanf1 wrote:

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On 25/11/05, Paul Cartwright wrote:

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On Fri November 25 2005 3:54 pm, Doug McGarrett wrote:

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I was recently at the IrfanView site for all the latest Win stuff, and I seem to remember seeing the word Linux there somewhere. Irfanview plays just about everything; I don't know about encripted DVD's. What is IrfanView?

IrfanView is a very fast, small, compact and innovative FREEWARE (for non-commercial use) graphic viewer for Windows 9x/ME/NT/2000/XP/2003. http://www.irfanview.com/

I saw nothing that said Linux.. I used to run that on my XP box.. -- Paul Cartwright Registered Linux user # 367800

I think that the Linux support is a new thing, but, I too have seen it mentioned. I think it was in a recent Linux mag but am not sure which one. Perhaps a Google search is in order?

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On Friday 25 November 2005 10:29 am, Bryan S. Tyson wrote:

On Friday 25 November 2005 10:14 am, Joachim Schrod wrote:

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there is no MP3 support on the retail DVD any more

How does Novell/SuSE expect market share to increase with such a glaring omission? I can understand leaving it out of OpenSUSE.

The average Windows-using retail customer is just going to walk away. This is the retail box we're talking about. They should pay whatever fee they think is necessary to make it legal and raise the price to cover it. The same with DVD support.

This is a very valid point. Xandros (I believe - never used it) and Linspire includes out of the box DVD support, if you wish to have it. I know for Linspire it is a US $10 charge. Not bad, if you want DVD playback on your computer. (Again, not something I really care about but seems to be an issue.)

I have been purchasing and using the retail boxed set since version 6. The retail box lacking DVD support was bad enough. Now that they don't even include mp3 support,

Although easy to overcome, this is a GLARING omission. I've yet to hear of a software company getting sued by Frauenhofer for using the LAME codec. Not including an item simply because of the possibility of a threat of a lawsuit shows lack of strength. Maybe we should call version 10 the Chicken Little version.

and with the recent Gnome-centric plans for the future, I am seriously considering dropping SuSE. Recently as I stood in CompUSA holding the version 10 box in my hand, I sadly put it back on the shelf and left.

I hear ya! Although at the same time, picking one distro and sticking with it would be a good move in my opinion. Though linux is about choice, having the company choose a standard isn't all that bad. If it is the butt-ugly unfriendly Gnome, so be it. At least Novell will be drawing a line in the sand and supporting that standard. Then their efforts won't be split between the two major desktops. ...enough ranting. -- kai www.perfectreign.com linux - genuine windows replacement part

Bruce Marshall wrote:

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A not at all happy SUSE camper.

It's amazing how some people have all the problems, while most of us have none.

Well, it's quite obvious to me, that SUSE's problem distribution process is broken. ;-)

On Thu, 24 Nov 2005 12:19:52 -0600, you wrote:

On Thursday 24 November 2005 12:08, Michael W Cocke wrote:

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On Thu, 24 Nov 2005 17:34:14 +0200, you wrote:

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Got my SUSE 10.0 box some days ago, install and stuff.

[much junk snipped]

I only found one bug in SuSE 10 (In the installer. It's a show stopper for me on servers but doesn't effect my desktops) - aside from that I

Mike, whats that bug. I'm planning to build 6 new servers next few days, so any input will be welcome.

Cheers -- Sunny

There's a size wraparound when you create an LVM with the installer - it won't go above something like 1.5 Tb (I forget the exact number, but it's smaller than I need). It can be worked around, but I worry about things like being able to remember how to adjust for quirks during a panic rebuild after a meltdown. I'm just going to keep using 9.3 on my servers until the next version. If it's not fixed by then (it has been reported), then that will be useful data about Novell & SuSE and I'll see about changing distros or something. 9.3 is pretty decent for servers (aside from a Samba error that no one - even the Samba dev mailing list - can help me track down) Seems there's always one bug in every version... As long as it's not a show stopper though, it's not windows! Mike- -- Mornings: Evolution in action. Only the grumpy will survive. -- Please note - Due to the intense volume of spam, we have installed site-wide spam filters at catherders.com. If email from you bounces, try non-HTML, non-encoded, non-attachments.

Michael W Cocke writes:

There's a size wraparound when you create an LVM with the installer - it won't go above something like 1.5 Tb (I forget the exact number, but it's smaller than I need). It can be worked around, but I worry about things like being able to remember how to adjust for quirks during a panic rebuild after a meltdown. I'm just going to keep using 9.3 on my servers until the next version. If it's not fixed by then (it has been reported), then that will be useful data about Novell & SuSE and I'll see about changing distros or something. 9.3 is pretty decent for servers (aside from a Samba error that no one - even the Samba dev mailing list - can help me track down) Seems there's always one bug in every version... As long as it's not a show stopper though, it's not windows!

Did you report this in our bugzilla? Without a bugreport, the engineers will not have it on their todo list and take care of it for the next release. Cheers, Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, aj@suse.de, http://www.suse.de/~aj SUSE Linux Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126

On Fri, 25 Nov 2005 10:11:50 +0100, you wrote:

Michael W Cocke writes:

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There's a size wraparound when you create an LVM with the installer - it won't go above something like 1.5 Tb (I forget the exact number, but it's smaller than I need). It can be worked around, but I worry about things like being able to remember how to adjust for quirks during a panic rebuild after a meltdown. I'm just going to keep using 9.3 on my servers until the next version. If it's not fixed by then (it has been reported), then that will be useful data about Novell & SuSE and I'll see about changing distros or something. 9.3 is pretty decent for servers (aside from a Samba error that no one - even the Samba dev mailing list - can help me track down) Seems there's always one bug in every version... As long as it's not a show stopper though, it's not windows!

Did you report this in our bugzilla? Without a bugreport, the engineers will not have it on their todo list and take care of it for the next release.

Cheers, Andreas

Yes - I don't have the number handy but it was filed and followed up. Something about perl bindings, as I recall. Mike- -- Mornings: Evolution in action. Only the grumpy will survive. -- Please note - Due to the intense volume of spam, we have installed site-wide spam filters at catherders.com. If email from you bounces, try non-HTML, non-encoded, non-attachments.

What did you have to install to get the DVD to play? Peter Nikolic wrote:

On Friday 25 Nov 2005 16:33, Marshall Heartley wrote:

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Anyway the final conclusion was: - despite being much faster this suse release is so damn cripled that

large snippage..

Surley the real safe way to solve this problem is to completely can mp3 files and switch to the open format of ogg i gave up on mp3 a long while ago almost as soon as ogg became useable in fact i still have a few mp3's bu am in the process of moving everything to ogg do like wise then you aint got no problem have you eh! and as for DVD playback whats the problem i got suse 10.0. retail playing dvd's within about 20 mins of the install finish ..

I know it would be nice if Suse had dvd and mp3 included but it aint gunna happen and about winDoZe yea whatever load of drivelle nt4 hum if that rocks your boat then take a hike back to it is my suggestion ..

Pete .

-- Joseph Loo jloo@acm.org

On Saturday 26 November 2005 11:19 am, Peter Nikolic wrote:

On Saturday 26 Nov 2005 15:27, Joseph Loo wrote:

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What did you have to install to get the DVD to play?

Hi .. to get DVD's to play on 10.0 i installed the following..

kaffeine-0.7.1-3.pm.0.x86_64.rpm libdvdcss-1.2.9.tar.bz2 libdvdplay-1.0.1.tar.bz2 libdvdread-0.9.4.tar.gz libxine1-1.1.0-12.pm.1.x86_64.rpm libxine1-xvmc-1.1.0-12.pm.1.x86_64.rpm

in this day in age should this work out of the box

On Saturday 26 Nov 2005 16:13, boricua wrote:

On Saturday 26 November 2005 11:19 am, Peter Nikolic wrote:

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On Saturday 26 Nov 2005 15:27, Joseph Loo wrote:

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What did you have to install to get the DVD to play?

Hi .. to get DVD's to play on 10.0 i installed the following..

kaffeine-0.7.1-3.pm.0.x86_64.rpm libdvdcss-1.2.9.tar.bz2 libdvdplay-1.0.1.tar.bz2 libdvdread-0.9.4.tar.gz libxine1-1.1.0-12.pm.1.x86_64.rpm libxine1-xvmc-1.1.0-12.pm.1.x86_64.rpm

in this day in age should this work out of the box

If you have the funds of M$ Corp then yes and if you got the nod from the entertainment industry then also yes but dont forget we are talking Linux here not exactly the darling of the above mentioned con men cus they cant control us they try to cripple us with crappy rules and s**t and guess what they aint gonna win not no way no how which is why i say we should all bin mp3 and use ogg that way we are totaly out of there grasp then we need a new open source free format for dvd's that they cant control i do not know how maybe win over the one that owns the rights to the presesent system and get him/them to withdraw all rights to use it bit p[ie in the sky but you never know after all pigs do fly (if you kick them hard enough ;_) ) Cheers Pete . -- If Bill Gates had gotten LAID at High School do YOU think there would be a Microsoft ? Of course NOT ! You gotta spend a lot of time at your school Locker stuffing underware up your ass to think , I am going to take on the worlds Computer Industry -------:heard on Cyber Radio.:------- AFFA

On 26/11/05, Peter Nikolic wrote:

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If you have the funds of M$ Corp then yes and if you got the nod from

On Saturday 26 Nov 2005 17:12, Kevanf1 wrote: pruned

I agree that we should all use the ogg format. The trouble with that is how many small form factor ogg players are there about? Now, how many small form factor mp3 players are there? Tens of thousands. It's all very well standing up for justice but in doing so, in this case, we in the UK have a very good saying. It's called cutting one's nose off to spite one's face.

-- ============================================== I am only human, please forgive me if I make a mistake it is not deliberate. ============================================== Take care. Kevan Farmer

Linux user #373362

34 Hill Street Cheslyn Hay Staffordshire WS6 7HR

Hi Kevan yes wel fortunatley i have no mp3 player in the sense of a portable job and cant see i would ever buy one either but somehow somewhere sometime the stand has got to be made against the use of things like mp3 and any other format that cant be freely and openely used .. Cheers Pete . -- If Bill Gates had gotten LAID at High School do YOU think there would be a Microsoft ? Of course NOT ! You gotta spend a lot of time at your school Locker stuffing underware up your ass to think , I am going to take on the worlds Computer Industry -------:heard on Cyber Radio.:------- AFFA

On 27/11/05, Kevin Donnelly wrote:

On Saturday 26 November 2005 17:12, Kevanf1 wrote:

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I agree that we should all use the ogg format. The trouble with that is how many small form factor ogg players are there about?

There are several good SFF ogg players around (eg iAudio) - you need to look for that feature, and support the manufacturers who provide it. If you say "I want ogg, but I'll take mp3 instead", what incentive is there for manufacturers to add ogg playback?

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Pob hwyl / Best wishes

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www.kyfieithu.co.uk - Meddalwedd Rhydd yn Gymraeg www.cymrux.org.uk - Linux Cymraeg ar un CD

Hi Kevin. I did Google search on the iAudio. There are some very nice players but... the price is horrendous when compared to similar mp3 players. I looked mainly at flash players. I can get a 128mb flash mp3 player for about £14. The equivalent iAudio player comes in at around £69. You may be able to find cheaper but the difference is still going to be massive. I'm basing this on an average music lover who is looking for a cheap portable player. I personally am not in the market for an ogg or mp3 player - I rarely listen to music any more. My son wanted a portable player the other week. He is now the owner of a Creative Zen 20gb drive. It's an mp3 player of course and the cost? £120 from Komplett UK. I do not know if it supports ogg but I do know it supports the wma standard. :-( -- ============================================== I am only human, please forgive me if I make a mistake it is not deliberate. ============================================== Take care. Kevan Farmer Linux user #373362 34 Hill Street Cheslyn Hay Staffordshire WS6 7HR

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Cause I am the OP I might feel justified to add: Bottom line: - seeing all these insults I got I might feel justified to conclude this whole thread and thanks all the people aside me, however those insult were the sign that something is wrong with some people education and culture - never saw so much ado about multimedia stuff, also never saw a lawsuit against fraunhoffer or else using lame nor mp3lib - there is no resolution outside refusing to get such support inside a paid version, for the fear that Novell could get a lawsuit, I would like to pay the initial price of 89 EURO to get proper support - I wil not use any kind of software repositories other than official ones: could not find kdemultimedia-mad nor kdemultimedia-arts-mad on those sites - After extensive debuging I was able to compile and run MPlayer with libavcodec and xvid and liba52, still no resolution in amarok either with mp3 either with ogg, principal cause -> helix plugin is shit and sounds also like shit. - Preloading s cool