On Mon, 2009-09-21 at 21:23 +0200, Clayton wrote:

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Interesting... http://d0od.blogspot.com/2009/09/gnome-3-quick-visual-tour.html Looks like they are doing a LOT of the same things as KDE4 has already done. I wonder if the transition from Gnome2 to Gnome3 will be smoother than KDE3 to KDE4 (ie they learned from the KDE4 release mess)? Yes, this is GNOME - things actually work. :) Man, there was just simply no way I was going to be able to resist a setup like like. Ha. :-) I've tried to like Gnome... I really have. I use it at the office all day long... and I use KDE4 at home. Ultimately I'm becoming somewhat indifferent to the WM since I spend my time in the apps not the WM. That said, I really cannot get my mind around the "slab" in openSUSE's Gnome.

I'm with you there. Honestly I'm not a huge fan of the start-menu / panel idiom used by Windows, GNOME, and KDE [all are essentially the same]. I use GNOME-Do in docky mode. Start+Space/ca+Enter starts OpenOffice Calc, etc... So sweet. It isn't about the "WM" [Window Manager] (so long as the Window Manager isn't absurdly childish looking) it is about services provided to the applications. Like I want to see the events from my configured calendar resources [our groupware server and a few iCal feeds] on the clock calendar. I want to be able to script / develop things that use by address book resources. When I right click on something I want the actions I can perform - regardless of what application [which is an arbitrary thing] supports the application.

Anyway.... it'll be an interesting ride.

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I've tried to like Gnome... I really have.  I use it at the office all day long... and I use KDE4 at home.

Ultimately I'm becoming somewhat indifferent to the WM since I spend my time in the apps not the WM. That said, I really cannot get my mind around the "slab" in openSUSE's Gnome.

Anyway.... it'll be an interesting ride.

As a KDE user and advocate, I am very excited about Gnome 3. Linux desktop innovation has stagnated in recent years and KDE 4 seems to be an attempt to do something different, not something better. It is too early to tell if Gnome 3 will be better or merely different, however, another team innovating independantly is always a good thing. I hope that KDE and Gnome learn from each other and incorporate the good ideas of each. Are there any E17 users around? Are there any E17 features that you would like to see in KDE or Gnome? -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Tue, 2009-09-22 at 10:06 +0200, Clayton wrote:

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As a KDE user and advocate, I am very excited about Gnome 3. Linux desktop innovation has stagnated in recent years and KDE 4 seems to be an attempt to do something different, not something better. It is too early to tell if Gnome 3 will be better or merely different, however, another team innovating independantly is always a good thing. I hope that KDE and Gnome learn from each other and incorporate the good ideas of each. Same here.. it's certainly piqued my interest, and I will definitely try it out as soon as the Gnome Factory builds are "ready'. I agree... it would be nice if they (users AND developers) could learn form each other instead of all this bickering... sigh.

I believe most of the bickers is by users, and sometimes I wonder if some of those are even that [do they really *use* the software they are nattering about?]. The developers DO work together and have been for quite some time. That is the entire "freedesktop" thing which has contributed a lot to the Open Source desktop; D-Bus, for example, is a freedesktop thing. Rather than stupid Kparts/ICE or clumsy/slow Bonobo everybody know shares an awesome inter-process IPC solution. And then there is Cairo (which is not a GNOME specific thing), Device Kit, Avahi, Freetype, HAL, Portland, and more. Developers don't have any problems getting along; there may be a bigot here or there but they are the exception not the rule. And this is generally true outside the KDE "vs." GNOME space as well. I work on collaboration stuff [shudder: groupware!] and everyone there gets along too: OpenGroupware, E-Groupware, Citadel, Scalable OpenGroupware, etc... Sniping by *developers* is rare and we even do voluntary interoperability testing with each others kits. "Real" developers understand very well that a rising-tide-lifts-all-boats. If you see developer sniping I'd look closely and see if the snipers are "real developers" [aka. they write code, process bugs, and perform commits] or if they are just wanna-be hangers-on. There are too many of those and far too much tolerance of them. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org