On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 3:39 PM, John Andersen wrote:

On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 11:07 AM, Greg Freemyer wrote:

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All,

I thought I would give vmware server 2 beta a try.

Has anyone had any luck with that?

=== It seemed to install just fine, but when I try to access the user interface to create a new VM, etc. it is not working.

ie. I'm trying to access http://127.0.0.1 and entering my user login / password.

In /var/log/messages I'm seeing password accepted if I type the right password and rejected if I type the wrong one, but ...

From firefox I still get the access rejected status,

From konquerer (launched by typing "vmware") I am getting "page loaded" but just a blank screen otherwise.

Are they forcing you to use a web browser now for management?

That pretty much sucks. The prior tool was pretty fast and secure. Having a web interface just screams "hack me!"

I think you are indeed forced to admin it via a new web 2.0 interface. I'm still just using http, but they also have a https interface. I've seen a couple unusual dialog boxes pop up so I think they may have some extra security items included. My immediate trouble is with the remote console. It is now a browser plug-in. I'm running FF3 beta 5 and the plug-in won't install. I have not tried to trouble shoot that yet. Also from Konquerer I just get blank white page that says "page loaded" and none of the Web 2.0 displays. Greg -- Greg Freemyer Litigation Triage Solutions Specialist http://www.linkedin.com/in/gregfreemyer First 99 Days Litigation White Paper - http://www.norcrossgroup.com/forms/whitepapers/99%20Days%20whitepaper.pdf The Norcross Group The Intersection of Evidence & Technology http://www.norcrossgroup.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 4:20 PM, Greg Freemyer wrote:

On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 4:01 PM, Greg Freemyer wrote:

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On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 3:39 PM, John Andersen wrote:

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On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 11:07 AM, Greg Freemyer wrote:

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All,

I thought I would give vmware server 2 beta a try.

Has anyone had any luck with that?

=== It seemed to install just fine, but when I try to access the user interface to create a new VM, etc. it is not working.

ie. I'm trying to access http://127.0.0.1 and entering my user login / password.

In /var/log/messages I'm seeing password accepted if I type the right password and rejected if I type the wrong one, but ...

From firefox I still get the access rejected status,

From konquerer (launched by typing "vmware") I am getting "page loaded" but just a blank screen otherwise.

Are they forcing you to use a web browser now for management?

That pretty much sucks. The prior tool was pretty fast and secure. Having a web interface just screams "hack me!"

I think you are indeed forced to admin it via a new web 2.0 interface. I'm still just using http, but they also have a https interface. I've seen a couple unusual dialog boxes pop up so I think they may have some extra security items included.

My immediate trouble is with the remote console. It is now a browser plug-in. I'm running FF3 beta 5 and the plug-in won't install.

I have not tried to trouble shoot that yet.

Worse than I thought. I can't even get the "remote console plug-in" to work with IE6 / WIn2K on a couple of different boxes. I'll try from an XP box next. What a pain.

Probably the Vmware forum would be the place to ask. This is a revolting development if it requires windows. -- ----------JSA--------- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

John Andersen wrote:

On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 11:07 AM, Greg Freemyer wrote:

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All,

I thought I would give vmware server 2 beta a try.

Has anyone had any luck with that?

=== It seemed to install just fine, but when I try to access the user interface to create a new VM, etc. it is not working.

ie. I'm trying to access http://127.0.0.1 and entering my user login / password.

In /var/log/messages I'm seeing password accepted if I type the right password and rejected if I type the wrong one, but ...

From firefox I still get the access rejected status,

From konquerer (launched by typing "vmware") I am getting "page loaded" but just a blank screen otherwise.

Are they forcing you to use a web browser now for management?

That pretty much sucks. The prior tool was pretty fast and secure. Having a web interface just screams "hack me!"

It's even worse: They go the ESX route and don't provide vmware-server-console any more. Instead the console is now a web app. Yep, exchanging a 30KB gtk application with a several-MB browser plugin. Never mind that the standard size of a browser window is not usable for a console, and never mind that changing it will change it also for your Web browsing tasks. And never mind that it doesn't work in many browsers -- but the vmware folks will tell you that this is only because it's still beta and this will get ironed out before the final release. Oh yes, and did I mention that vmware server beta uses j2ee and has a memory footprint of a few 100 MBs just for starting, without any vm instances? If you go to the vmware forums, you will read users screaming for a change. But vmware doesn't listen. They tell us we shall use VMware workstation instead. (That workstation doesn't provide the same feature set is obviously no issue for them.) IMHO, that mindset of we-dont-care-for-our-customers will kill them in the end. I'm a paying VMware customer since the start of their company, but I'm just waiting that the snapshot and migration functionality of other virtualization products will get better, then I'll switch. VMware company politics sucks since they have been taken over by EMC. That always seems to be the difference between a small focused tech company and a ``global player''. Joachim -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Joachim Schrod Email: jschrod@acm.org Roedermark, Germany -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Wednesday 16 April 2008 04:29, Charles philip Chan wrote:

Joachim Schrod writes:

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Yuk. What is with this new trend of web apps? I avoid them like a plague.

Zero installation Zero management Zero update handling Centralized diagnostics and monitoring Enterprise-level storage management, including backup Scalability Redundancy The down-sides are the lingering browser incompatibilities and their so-far relatively impoverished and problematic UI programming capabilities, but these are getting better. I think you're going to have to make your peace with browser-based interfaces (BBIs), because we're only going to be seeing more of them.

Charles

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Randall R Schulz schreef:

Zero installation Zero management Zero update handling Centralized diagnostics and monitoring Enterprise-level storage management, including backup Scalability Redundancy

The down-sides are the lingering browser incompatibilities and their so-far relatively impoverished and problematic UI programming capabilities, but these are getting better.

I think you're going to have to make your peace with browser-based interfaces (BBIs), because we're only going to be seeing more of them.

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Charles

Randall Schulz

You can count on that, they want to facilitate complete companies with virtual pc's. You can use every os you like, get every desktop look you like, no software installed, no pressious info on your laptop to be stolen, and look at the advantages Randall summed up there.. ;) -- Enjoy your time around, Oddball (Now or never...) OS: Linux 2.6.25-rc8-12-default x86_64 Current user: oddball@AMD64x2-sfn1 System: openSUSE 11.0 (x86_64) Alpha3 KDE: 4.00.68 (KDE 4.0.68 >= 20080402) "release 6.4" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Wednesday 16 April 2008 07:12, Carlos E. R. wrote:

The Wednesday 2008-04-16 at 06:49 -0700, Randall R Schulz wrote:

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Yuk. What is with this new trend of web apps? I avoid them like a plague.

Zero installation

False, in this case: it requires a huge plugin to work, and it doesn't work.

Then it's not a classic BBI. What plug-in is it? Flash?

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Zero management Zero update handling

Ditto.

How so?

-- Cheers, Carlos E. R.

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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Wednesday 2008-04-16 at 07:24 -0700, Randall R Schulz wrote:

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Zero installation

False, in this case: it requires a huge plugin to work, and it doesn't work.

Then it's not a classic BBI. What plug-in is it? Flash?

You haven't read the thread, then. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFIBj1jtTMYHG2NR9URAqw3AJ46RdIoUxJPTmCtIh47SggZ8ImADwCgkO+b ivvovGWwuxh78ZsCyTc907M= =P7Wc -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Wednesday 2008-04-16 at 11:04 -0700, Randall R Schulz wrote:

On Wednesday 16 April 2008 10:54, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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The Wednesday 2008-04-16 at 07:24 -0700, Randall R Schulz wrote:

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Zero installation

False, in this case: it requires a huge plugin to work, and it doesn't work.

Then it's not a classic BBI. What plug-in is it? Flash?

You haven't read the thread, then.

It just says "a several-MB browser plug-in."

No. That's a line of a single email, that's not the thread.

Nonetheless, this is not what I was referring to in describing the things that are generally driving the industry towards more BBIs. Unless it's (X)HTML + CSS + JavaScript or a truly universal plug-in such as Flash, it's not really a proper BBI.

But we are talking about vmware and their web "thing" to manage vmware server, not in general.

They're just trading one purpose-built, monolithic, native executable for another.

A very worse another, which also existed in version 1, but was undocumented and also bad. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFIBkF8tTMYHG2NR9URAugeAJ9kj0dCa43ZQNNSvN5a2ifTQOrIPgCfQMdA el5xO/i/kkku9dKPNp4qb50= =nkGQ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Randall R Schulz writes:

Zero installation Zero management Zero update handling Centralized diagnostics and monitoring Enterprise-level storage management, including backup Scalability Redundancy

OK, I grant you most of this.

The down-sides are the lingering browser incompatibility and their so-far relatively impoverished and problematic UI programming capabilities, but these are getting better.

The UI sucks at this point. Also, I do not trust storing my data on someone else's server and I don't trust their security. Charles