On 11/04/2011 03:24 AM, Peter Nikolic pecked at the keyboard and wrote:

On Friday 04 November 2011 05:19:15 C. van Nidek wrote:

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A message which I see already very long in dmesg is as follows:

process `skype' is using obsolete setsockopt SO_BSDCOMPAT

Have no problem running Skype but I find this information troubling. Is there something to use a nonobsolete setsockopt (whatever that is)?

Should'nt worry too much about Skype once M$ Corp have finished updating it there wont be a Linux version just you watch ..#

Pete .

I agree here, you are better off switching to GoogleTalk to place VOIP calls. -- Ken Schneider SuSe since Version 5.2, June 1998 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 11/04/2011 08:34 AM, C pecked at the keyboard and wrote:

On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 13:16, Ken Schneider - openSUSE

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I agree here, you are better off switching to GoogleTalk to place VOIP calls.

Except, according to: https://www.google.com/support/voice/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=115061&topic=1707989 Google Voice (the VoIP option) is only available in the USA. With GTalk, you can only call PC-to-PC to someone who is also using GTalk...

C.

There's also GoogleVoice, perhaps also only in the USA, that can be used to place calls to landlines, domestic and international. -- Ken Schneider SuSe since Version 5.2, June 1998 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 11/04/2011 09:28 AM, C pecked at the keyboard and wrote:

On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 14:07, Ken Schneider - openSUSE wrote:

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There's also GoogleVoice, perhaps also only in the USA, that can be used to place calls to landlines, domestic and international.

Yup, USA only (for now) for the Google Voice feature.

I can make VoIP calls from the browser client (I just tested it and I could call my non-US mobile from a non-US location/account)... which is fine if I choose to remain in my GMail account all day long... but I've got other family members using the home PC. With Skype and Ekiga, the soft phone is a communal tool.. anyone can just pop open Skype or Ekiga and make a call... Using Gtalk... it's not an option because I'm not leaving a browser page open all the time to be able to make and receive calls.

The dedicated GTalk client is not available for Linux, and last I checked fails in interesting ways when you try to make it work in Wine.

So... while GTalk is a nice idea, it's impractical on Linux... unless they make a dedicated Linux client... and even then with it so closely tied to private GMail accounts, it's hard to justify on a multi-user family computer.

Ekiga works very well with external VoIP providers.. but you lose out on the IM part.

It'll be painful if/when Microsoft kills the Linux side of Skype.

C.

Oh it's not a question of if, only when. That is, and always has been, the MS modisoperandi. -- Ken Schneider SuSe since Version 5.2, June 1998 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 15:01, Martin Helm wrote:

As a side note, I saw that my colleagues in the office who use skype on windows are more and more unpleased with it (I do not know exactly why, I have to ask) and look actively for alternatives.

The current Windows and OSX version is littered with advertisements... its default mode is an all in one mode that is intentionally designed in a way that basically takes up as much screen real estate as possible, loaded with huge buttons and excessive whitespace, usability is down the toilet, finding features is a game of trying to guess where the developers hid things this time or remember where you last found it, it's very annoying to try and have a call plus two or three text chats at the same time etc etc. the list is long. Everyone I know (Windows and Mac users as well as Linux users) prefers Skype on Linux for it's minimalism and simplicity.... C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 11/04/2011 08:34 AM, C pecked at the keyboard and wrote:

On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 13:16, Ken Schneider - openSUSE

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I agree here, you are better off switching to GoogleTalk to place VOIP calls.

Except, according to: https://www.google.com/support/voice/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=115061&topic=1707989 Google Voice (the VoIP option) is only available in the USA. With GTalk, you can only call PC-to-PC to someone who is also using GTalk...

C.

http://www.techradar.com/news/internet/google-voice-hits-uk-with-mobile-and-... -- Ken Schneider SuSe since Version 5.2, June 1998 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 11/04/2011 08:21 PM, Per Jessen wrote:

Ken Schneider - openSUSE wrote:

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On 11/04/2011 08:34 AM, C pecked at the keyboard and wrote:

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On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 13:16, Ken Schneider - openSUSE

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I agree here, you are better off switching to GoogleTalk to place VOIP calls.

Except, according to:

https://www.google.com/support/voice/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=115061&topic=1707989

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Google Voice (the VoIP option) is only available in the USA. With GTalk, you can only call PC-to-PC to someone who is also using GTalk...

C.

http://www.techradar.com/news/internet/google-voice-hits-uk-with-mobile-and-...

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The OP appears to be in Indonesia. :-)

That is right ;) . For the moment Skype still functions. Google talk works for me but the video talk connection is untried by me. Problem would be that communication with Winblows users will become problematic as soon as Microsoft would pull the switch on Linux Skype. Does anybody has an idea or even figures about the Skype Linux users community? We as Linux users are anyhow some three full versions back on the Win..s group. -- Linux User 183145 using LXDE and KDE4 on a Pentium IV , powered by openSUSE 11.4 (i586) Kernel: 3.1.0-3-desktop LXDE WM & KDE Development Platform: 4.7.2 (4.7.2) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org