Greg Freemyer said the following on 11/15/2011 12:33 PM:

On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 12:12 PM, Linux Tyro wrote:

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hi,

I just wanted to confirm something I came to know from somewhere:

"openSUSE/SUSE is having less members in the team(s) developing it as compared to the Fedora/Red-hat team."

Its only a line, I was just seeing it this is correct or not... I don't know but want to know

-- THX --

I think you're missing the boat with this.

First SUSE and REDHAT both have paid staff that develop / maintain / support / take end-user-calls for their respective commercial offerings.

I don't know which one is a bigger staff and as a openSUSE user I really don't care.

More, much more than that! Yes, there are the commercial and commercially supported offerings, but they are really fed from the "open", and even so, the sources to those commercial version of Linux are, unlike Microsoft Windows, open source as well. The real issue is commercial support. But while that exists, there are a couple of things very relevant. First, there isn't a "Linux" company as there is behind Windows and OSX. Its all contributions by people volunteering their time and effort. These are not amateurs. For the most part they are professional programmers employed as professional programmers at Big Name firms. If you look at the contributions at kernel.org you'll see that people at Microsoft and IBM are among those who contribute the most. When it comes down to useful little programs like Perl, Ruby, Python, Tcl or even KDE, a different pattern arises (look to their histories). We are still talking about professional programmers, but there are a lot more individuals coming up with basic ideas or taking responsibility for individual aspects or components. And not everyone has to be a programmer; people doing testing, configuration management, repository management, documentation, artwork and more all have important roles. So no matter how many people work for RedHat or Suse/Novell/whoever the real issue is 'the cast of thousands'. Just like the movies; the names of the stars may be on the poster, but the credits at the end roll on and on, and even so omit the people who work at PL&G, Eastman-Kodak/Fujisu, the street sweepers and garbage collectors ... and mothers and fathers ... -- Nobody will ever win the Battle of the Sexes. There's just too much fraternizing with the enemy. -- Henry Kissinger -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Linux Tyro said the following on 11/15/2011 01:04 PM:

On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 11:54 AM, Anton Aylward wrote:

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On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 12:12 PM, Linux Tyro *** wrote:

In the place of *** was my email! You didn't hide it...? I don't know if Thunderbird does it by default, however, this is just a suggestion... It could be hidden!

I may be silly and if wrong, please do let me know so that I can correct.

The "silly" is the double > in that message. I wasn't quoting your address in a reply to you; I was quoting Greg's message. When Greg replied to you it was his mailer that included your address. As you can see above and as you can see in my other replies to you and to other people on this list, the T'Bird I use doesn't include your address. Please do pay attention. -- What is written without effort is in general read without pleasure. -- Samuel Johnson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 11/15/2011 10:33 AM, Linux Tyro wrote:

On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 12:17 PM, Anton Aylward wrote:

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I wasn't quoting your address in a reply to you; I was quoting Greg's message. �When Greg replied to you it was his mailer that included your address.

Ah well, I am sorry for that. Then that is the message for Greg!

Greg: I request you to please avoid that emails which are shown.. However, one of the guys suggested this thing me here only.

You do realize that your email address is in every email you send to the list don't you? Its right there for all to see. You are no the net now my friend. No point in trying to hide your email address. -- _____________________________________ ---This space for rent--- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Linux Tyro wrote:

David C suggested me like this:

"AYE YIE YIE! Please fix your e-mail client so it doesn't quote my (or anyone elses) full e-mail in your replies :) Spammers harvest e-mail address from these lists and it just means more junk mail for people trying to help you. I don't know why the idiots that set up mail clients set this as default. Let us know what mail client you are using and we'll tell you how to fix it..."

Isn't it true?

Not really, not any more. In the good old days before the world-wide web when the Internet was a pleasant place and conversations took place via UUCP links and suchlike, there was some point in being careful about email addresses. And so there was strong pressure to be polite and careful about posting them. But nowadays with most messages automatically archived in public where they can be trawled by robots many times a day, there really isn't much point in trying to hide them. It only takes one simple mistake such as yours using gmail to cause an address to be posted forever in public view. So nowadays it's really up to each individual to manage the situation. Use good spam filters; use throwaway or even one-time mail addresses; never post to a list with public archives; there are many alternatives. So there's not much point being sensitive to that particular issue. There are many more things wrong with the world than that. HTH, Dave -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Linux Tyro said the following on 11/15/2011 01:33 PM:

On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 12:17 PM, Anton Aylward wrote: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Ah well, I am sorry for that. Then that is the message for Greg!

Greg: I request you to please avoid that emails which are shown.. However, one of the guys suggested this thing me here only.

Pot::Kettle::Black Luke 6:42 -- What was the best thing before sliced bread? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 11/16/2011 12:48 AM, Linux Tyro wrote:

On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 1:11 PM, Anton Aylward wrote:

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Pot::Kettle::Black Luke 6:42 What does it mean?

It means you also quoted his entire email address -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Michael S. Dunsavage said the following on 11/16/2011 02:37 AM:

On 11/16/2011 12:48 AM, Linux Tyro wrote:

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On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 1:11 PM, Anton Aylward wrote:

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Pot::Kettle::Black Luke 6:42 What does it mean?

It means you also quoted his entire email address

Nah! It means "Fix your own G*d-D**ned mailer before bitching at me and others!" -- No athlete is crowned but in the sweat of his brow. Saint Jerome, Letter -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 5:10 AM, Anton Aylward wrote: CORRECTION: I JUST FORGOT TO REMOVE THE EMAIL IN THE LAST MAIL, I AM SORRY FOR THAT.

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It means you also quoted his entire email address

Nah! It means "Fix your own G*d-D**ned mailer before bitching at me and others!"

Ah, okay, but I am just new in Linux.... David C told me ... I still use gmail no Thuderbird...(have to use it in future) but I hope you are not a beginner Anton! -- THX -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 6:10 AM, Anton Aylward wrote:

complaining about others,

It was not a complaint, just a query/suggestion/question/doubt... that's all.

A beginner might make mistakes, but shouldn't blame others

I was not blaming but I just thought that what others have suggested should be implemented, especially when the persons here tell, who are so much experienced! It was a suggestion which looked as if it was a complaint, but in reality, no it wasn't!

and shouldn't claim innocence

If I were knowing Linux as you know, I could have claimed innocence but no that's not the case. Neither I claimed that nor want to, still if you think that it is innocence - its not, that's I confirm you. -- THX -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 8:01 AM, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

What is it that you expect to accomplish by obfuscating or removing one's email addres from the body of a post?  Realize that it is much more consistant for one to collect email addresses from the mail header than the body.  jfyi, I use a searchable database, lbdb, that collects *every* email address from mail delivered to me, ie:

 09:00 wahoo:~ > lbdbq tyro  lbdbq: 11 matches  fortyroses@bellsouth.net        fortyroses  JHelvie@royaltyroofing.com      JHelvie  kaur@anteon.com Tyrone Mcgrath  linuxtyro@yahoo.com     LinuxTyro       2002-02-27 04:39  mitchellphoto@mitchellphoto.net Tyrone Mitchell  opensuse.bkn1@gmail.com Linux Tyro  opensuse.bkn@gmail.com  Linux Tyro  rustyrocket@netzero.net John Hugh Boyd  TRohland@daxdata.co.za  Tyron Rohland  tyroc@voicenet.com      Tyroc  tyrone@tyroneturner.com tyrone

Hiding one's email address in the body of a post accomplishes *nothing* useful.

Ah thank for this information! -- THX -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Dave Howorth said the following on 11/16/2011 06:50 AM:

Anton Aylward wrote:

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Pot::Kettle::Black

http://search.cpan.org//search?query=Pot%3A%3AKettle%3A%3ABlack&n=100&mode=all No matches

:(

:-) http://www.google.ca/search?q=Pot::Kettle::Black Try the first hit -- Those who wish to seek out the cause of miracles, and to understand the things of nature as philosophers, and not to stare at them in astonishment like fools, are soon considered heretical and impious,and proclaimed as such by those whom the mob adores as the interpreters of nature and the gods. For these men know that once ignorance is put aside that wonderment would be taken away which is the only means by which their authority is preserved. --Spinoza -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Linux Tyro said the following on 11/16/2011 07:08 AM:

On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 6:05 AM, Anton Aylward wrote:

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http://www.google.ca/search?q=Pot::Kettle::Black Try the first hit

It worked!

Of course it did! And did you read the Wikipedia entry and understand its relevance? -- "What we have learned from others becomes our own by reflection". -- Ralph Waldo Emerson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 5:50 AM, Dave Howorth wrote:

http://search.cpan.org//search?query=Pot%3A%3AKettle%3A%3ABlack&n=100&mode=all No matches

:(

+1 -- THX -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org