[opensuse] wifi problems
I am here trying to use the wifi of my landlord. It is extremely slow, so slow that I cannot download emails with thunderbird due to time-out. The landlord says that ohers using the same wifi don't have problems. If use use that wifi on my phone, internet is fast and everything works, so I guess it is a problem on my computer. On the other hand, when I use my mobile phone as a 4G-hotspot and connect the laptop to this, internet works. Not very good, but it works. So it is not that my laptop in general doesn't like the internet, the problem is specific to the wifi of the house here. So my computer has something against the landlords wifi. What can it be? How can I find out? Things I noted (don't know if normal): - when connceted to that wifi, all mozilla programs need very long to open (thunderbird: 60 seconds, fireox 45 seconds). I am talking about the time from the click on the icon until the program window appears. When I connect over my mobile phone, those programs open normal. Do they really care about the connection? I think they should open without problems even if there is no connection at all, for local use...??? - sometimes the connection over the phone (using it as a mobile hotspot) also breaks down to very slow. Do I have a general internet problem that shows especially n the wifi here? I have no idea where to start to search for the error. Please help. Thanks! -- Daniel Bauer photographer Basel Barcelona https://www.patreon.com/danielbauer http://www.daniel-bauer.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 05/17/2018 11:54 AM, Daniel Bauer wrote:
I have no idea where to start to search for the error. Please help. Thanks!
You can start by running Wireshark, to see if there are any problems. What happens if you go to speedtest.net with Firefox and another browser? What sort of delay do you see with ping? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 05/17/2018 08:59 AM, James Knott wrote:
On 05/17/2018 11:54 AM, Daniel Bauer wrote:
I have no idea where to start to search for the error. Please help. Thanks!
You can start by running Wireshark, to see if there are any problems. What happens if you go to speedtest.net with Firefox and another browser? What sort of delay do you see with ping?
Also helpful would be telling us what wifi chipset you have in that machine. Perhaps some of us have had similar problems. Maybe you need the firmware download or something. If it is as slow as you suggest, wireshark may be just as painful as email. -- After all is said and done, more is said than done. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 17.05.2018 19:13, John Andersen wrote:
On 05/17/2018 08:59 AM, James Knott wrote:
On 05/17/2018 11:54 AM, Daniel Bauer wrote:
I have no idea where to start to search for the error. Please help. Thanks!
You can start by running Wireshark, to see if there are any problems. What happens if you go to speedtest.net with Firefox and another browser? What sort of delay do you see with ping?
Also helpful would be telling us what wifi chipset you have in that machine. Perhaps some of us have had similar problems. Maybe you need the firmware download or something.
lspci | grep -i wireless 02:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation Wireless 8260 (rev 3a)
If it is as slow as you suggest, wireshark may be just as painful as email.
And I think I am unable to interpret what wireshark says. I tried it years ago and only saw "chinese"... -- Daniel Bauer photographer Basel Barcelona https://www.patreon.com/danielbauer http://www.daniel-bauer.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 05/17/2018 01:36 PM, Daniel Bauer wrote:
If it is as slow as you suggest, wireshark may be just as painful as email.
And I think I am unable to interpret what wireshark says. I tried it years ago and only saw "chinese"...
Did you download the English version? ;-) You have to understand IP and Ethernet to properly make sense of Wireshark. For example, you might be looking for things like retransmissions or unexpected resets. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 17.05.2018 19:56, James Knott wrote:
On 05/17/2018 01:36 PM, Daniel Bauer wrote:
If it is as slow as you suggest, wireshark may be just as painful as email.
And I think I am unable to interpret what wireshark says. I tried it years ago and only saw "chinese"...
Did you download the English version? ;-)
You have to understand IP and Ethernet to properly make sense of Wireshark. For example, you might be looking for things like retransmissions or unexpected resets.
yes. I just started wireshark, switched from the phone to the house wifi and opened firefox to go to my website (default site). It took very long. I saved a 24'000 lines capture file for these few minutes, and yes, there is the word retransmission 6 times, like for example [Reassembly error, protocol TCP: New fragment overlaps old data (retransmission?)] There are many address numbers in that file, so I don't know if I should upload it somewhere... -- Daniel Bauer photographer Basel Barcelona https://www.patreon.com/danielbauer http://www.daniel-bauer.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 17.05.2018 17:59, James Knott wrote:
On 05/17/2018 11:54 AM, Daniel Bauer wrote:
I have no idea where to start to search for the error. Please help. Thanks!
You can start by running Wireshark, to see if there are any problems. What happens if you go to speedtest.net with Firefox and another browser? What sort of delay do you see with ping?
ping looks normal to me (well I don't know :-) ): ping google.com PING google.com (216.58.210.174) 56(84) bytes of data. 64 bytes from mad06s10-in-f14.1e100.net (216.58.210.174): icmp_seq=1 ttl=57 time=24.4 ms 64 bytes from mad06s10-in-f14.1e100.net (216.58.210.174): icmp_seq=2 ttl=57 time=23.0 ms 64 bytes from mad06s10-in-f14.1e100.net (216.58.210.174): icmp_seq=3 ttl=57 time=22.5 ms 64 bytes from mad06s10-in-f14.1e100.net (216.58.210.174): icmp_seq=4 ttl=57 time=22.8 ms 64 bytes from mad06s10-in-f14.1e100.net (216.58.210.174): icmp_seq=5 ttl=57 time=23.8 ms 64 bytes from mad06s10-in-f14.1e100.net (216.58.210.174): icmp_seq=6 ttl=57 time=22.3 ms 64 bytes from mad06s10-in-f14.1e100.net (216.58.210.174): icmp_seq=7 ttl=57 time=24.2 ms 64 bytes from mad06s10-in-f14.1e100.net (216.58.210.174): icmp_seq=8 ttl=57 time=27.4 ms 64 bytes from mad06s10-in-f14.1e100.net (216.58.210.174): icmp_seq=9 ttl=57 time=23.1 ms ^C --- google.com ping statistics --- 9 packets transmitted, 9 received, 0% packet loss, time 8011ms rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 22.303/23.776/27.446/1.483 ms daniel@meitli:~> ping daniel-bauer.com PING daniel-bauer.com (217.26.50.29) 56(84) bytes of data. 64 bytes from www.daniel-bauer.com (217.26.50.29): icmp_seq=1 ttl=49 time=73.0 ms 64 bytes from www.daniel-bauer.com (217.26.50.29): icmp_seq=2 ttl=49 time=67.9 ms 64 bytes from www.daniel-bauer.com (217.26.50.29): icmp_seq=3 ttl=49 time=72.1 ms 64 bytes from www.daniel-bauer.com (217.26.50.29): icmp_seq=4 ttl=49 time=62.7 ms 64 bytes from www.daniel-bauer.com (217.26.50.29): icmp_seq=5 ttl=49 time=62.8 ms ^C --- daniel-bauer.com ping statistics --- 5 packets transmitted, 5 received, 0% packet loss, time 4006ms rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 62.769/67.752/73.096/4.407 ms But opening the browser window it does not work. Waited two minutes and my just pinged website did not appear... -- Daniel Bauer photographer Basel Barcelona https://www.patreon.com/danielbauer http://www.daniel-bauer.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 05/17/2018 10:39 AM, Daniel Bauer wrote:
On 17.05.2018 17:59, James Knott wrote:
On 05/17/2018 11:54 AM, Daniel Bauer wrote:
I have no idea where to start to search for the error. Please help. Thanks!
You can start by running Wireshark, to see if there are any problems. What happens if you go to speedtest.net with Firefox and another browser? What sort of delay do you see with ping?
ping looks normal to me (well I don't know :-) ): ping google.com PING google.com (216.58.210.174) 56(84) bytes of data. 64 bytes from mad06s10-in-f14.1e100.net (216.58.210.174): icmp_seq=1 ttl=57 time=24.4 ms 64 bytes from mad06s10-in-f14.1e100.net (216.58.210.174): icmp_seq=2 ttl=57 time=23.0 ms 64 bytes from mad06s10-in-f14.1e100.net (216.58.210.174): icmp_seq=3 ttl=57 time=22.5 ms 64 bytes from mad06s10-in-f14.1e100.net (216.58.210.174): icmp_seq=4 ttl=57 time=22.8 ms 64 bytes from mad06s10-in-f14.1e100.net (216.58.210.174): icmp_seq=5 ttl=57 time=23.8 ms 64 bytes from mad06s10-in-f14.1e100.net (216.58.210.174): icmp_seq=6 ttl=57 time=22.3 ms 64 bytes from mad06s10-in-f14.1e100.net (216.58.210.174): icmp_seq=7 ttl=57 time=24.2 ms 64 bytes from mad06s10-in-f14.1e100.net (216.58.210.174): icmp_seq=8 ttl=57 time=27.4 ms 64 bytes from mad06s10-in-f14.1e100.net (216.58.210.174): icmp_seq=9 ttl=57 time=23.1 ms ^C --- google.com ping statistics --- 9 packets transmitted, 9 received, 0% packet loss, time 8011ms rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 22.303/23.776/27.446/1.483 ms daniel@meitli:~> ping daniel-bauer.com PING daniel-bauer.com (217.26.50.29) 56(84) bytes of data. 64 bytes from www.daniel-bauer.com (217.26.50.29): icmp_seq=1 ttl=49 time=73.0 ms 64 bytes from www.daniel-bauer.com (217.26.50.29): icmp_seq=2 ttl=49 time=67.9 ms 64 bytes from www.daniel-bauer.com (217.26.50.29): icmp_seq=3 ttl=49 time=72.1 ms 64 bytes from www.daniel-bauer.com (217.26.50.29): icmp_seq=4 ttl=49 time=62.7 ms 64 bytes from www.daniel-bauer.com (217.26.50.29): icmp_seq=5 ttl=49 time=62.8 ms ^C --- daniel-bauer.com ping statistics --- 5 packets transmitted, 5 received, 0% packet loss, time 4006ms rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 62.769/67.752/73.096/4.407 ms
But opening the browser window it does not work. Waited two minutes and my just pinged website did not appear...
Any chance this lanlord wifi is imposing a proxy you (and he) don't know about? Are your /etc/resolv.conf set up reasonably when you use the wifi as opposed to your phone's hotspot? (maybe temporarily code your first nameserver as 8.8.8.8 to avoid dodgy router supplied name servers). If the computer works on other wifi (such as your phone's hotspot) the its unlikely to be an issue with that particular wifi chipset. (Find a coffee house or library and test there). Is the house wifi 2.4 and 5ghz capable? Is the laptop also capable in both bands? (force your phone hotspot to 5ghz and test - if possible). Are you sure your laptop (and the router) are set up for same country code? (There were some wifi routers that would connect on 2.4, then immediately tell the client to switch to 5ghz, regardless of the fact that the client was incapable. I had one of these - some older netgear, now in my junk drawer). I seriously believe wireshark is a waste of time here. Your problem seems like a much more fundamental issue. -- After all is said and done, more is said than done. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 05/17/2018 02:47 PM, John Andersen wrote:
I seriously believe wireshark is a waste of time here. Your problem seems like a much more fundamental issue.
You don't know until you try. For example, as I mentioned earlier, there could be retransmissions or resets slowing things down. In another forum, someone recently was getting a lot of resets. He never would have known, if he hadn't used a packet capture app and provided the capture file to me and others. On the other hand, a slow connection due to other causes might not show a problem in Wireshark, but excessive ping times might provide a clue. You have to know the tools and when & how to use them. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 17.05.2018 20:47, John Andersen wrote:
Are your /etc/resolv.conf set up reasonably when you use the wifi as opposed to your phone's hotspot? (maybe temporarily code your first nameserver as 8.8.8.8 to avoid dodgy router supplied name servers).
Wow! As nameserver there was the IP of the router. I put 8.8.8.8 there and - puff, it works perfect. But: when I restart, I guess that nameserver will be overwritten again. How can I make that fix for this wifi?
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On 17.05.2018 21:42, Daniel Bauer wrote:
But: when I restart, I guess that nameserver will be overwritten again. How can I make that fix for this wifi?
I found that in the network-manager thing in the task bar I can access properties of this wifi. Under IPv4 I see "other DNS servers" (andere DNS-Server). I add 8.8.8.8 there. Then this is added in /etc/resolv.conf, but the routers non-working name server is still there, too, and on the first line. The problem is here again - until I edit resolv.com and remove the routers name server IP. How can I achieve that for this wifi ONLY the 8.8.8.8 is used? -- Daniel Bauer photographer Basel Barcelona https://www.patreon.com/danielbauer http://www.daniel-bauer.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 05/17/2018 01:02 PM, Daniel Bauer wrote:
How can I achieve that for this wifi ONLY the 8.8.8.8 is used?
On that same screen, click the pull-down that says Automatic. Set it to Automatic-Address only. I think that gives you only your address and the default gateway, and does not provide name servers or search domains. You might have to play with that a bit. -- After all is said and done, more is said than done. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 05/17/2018 12:42 PM, Daniel Bauer wrote:
On 17.05.2018 20:47, John Andersen wrote:
Are your /etc/resolv.conf set up reasonably when you use the wifi as opposed to your phone's hotspot? (maybe temporarily code your first nameserver as 8.8.8.8 to avoid dodgy router supplied name servers).
Wow! As nameserver there was the IP of the router. I put 8.8.8.8 there and - puff, it works perfect.
But: when I restart, I guess that nameserver will be overwritten again. How can I make that fix for this wifi?
Nameservers in /etc/resolv.conf are usually provided by the dhcp server (in the wifi router) and accepted (or not) by the dhcp client (laptop). Usually when you make a wifi connection you get to specify those things. Always having your own eliminates a lot of hotel-wifi filtering. Warning: 8.8.8.8 is Google's free DNS service. Some people find the idea of it abhorrent, but I've never seen any indication of "evil" using this, and its is fast. There are others, both free and not-free that you can use. I suspect your lanlord was using a bogus upstream DNS server in his router, and or his DNS daemon in the router was somehow defective. Why it worked for everyone else but not for you is a question. Two DNS servers are usually provided. But no system that I am aware of uses the SECOND one till the first one fails (times-out). So having more won't help much if the first one is problematic. If you want to encode your own DNS for any any/every wifi connection you can do it, and it will be preserved. Its usually done in what ever software is managing wifi connection on your computer. I've attached a small screen shot showing how this is done in my Leap 15 machine using kde and Network Manager, but yours might be different. The image is small, but still might get stripped by the email server, so I'm sending direct as well as to the list. Please don't jump my bones about two copies. -- After all is said and done, more is said than done.
So the problem was just the name server - I would never have found out myself. Thanks a lot for the help! On 17.05.2018 22:09, John Andersen wrote:
On 05/17/2018 12:42 PM, Daniel Bauer wrote:
On 17.05.2018 20:47, John Andersen wrote:
Are your /etc/resolv.conf set up reasonably when you use the wifi as opposed to your phone's hotspot? (maybe temporarily code your first nameserver as 8.8.8.8 to avoid dodgy router supplied name servers).
Wow! As nameserver there was the IP of the router. I put 8.8.8.8 there and - puff, it works perfect.
But: when I restart, I guess that nameserver will be overwritten again. How can I make that fix for this wifi?
Nameservers in /etc/resolv.conf are usually provided by the dhcp server (in the wifi router) and accepted (or not) by the dhcp client (laptop). Usually when you make a wifi connection you get to specify those things.
Always having your own eliminates a lot of hotel-wifi filtering.
Warning: 8.8.8.8 is Google's free DNS service. Some people find the idea of it abhorrent, but I've never seen any indication of "evil" using this, and its is fast.
I am aware of this. I might try others as well.
There are others, both free and not-free that you can use. I suspect your lanlord was using a bogus upstream DNS server in his router, and or his DNS daemon in the router was somehow defective. Why it worked for everyone else but not for you is a question.
Well, this is what he said. But I wonder that my mobile phone had good internet access using that wifi. Something is different...
Two DNS servers are usually provided. But no system that I am aware of uses the SECOND one till the first one fails (times-out). So having more won't help much if the first one is problematic.
I've seen that now.
If you want to encode your own DNS for any any/every wifi connection you can do it, and it will be preserved. Its usually done in what ever software is managing wifi connection on your computer.
I've attached a small screen shot showing how this is done in my Leap 15 machine using kde and Network Manager, but yours might be different.
It looks the same here on 43.2. But I must set it to Automatic-Address only, as you mentioned in your other mail. If I leave it on automatic the non-working name server is on the first line and the entered one only on the second line, and thus not used.
The image is small, but still might get stripped by the email server, so I'm sending direct as well as to the list. Please don't jump my bones about two copies.
:-) Thanks again, and thanks a lot! (I am kind of computer-hypochondriac and always fear my machine is deadly sick...) Have a nice evening! Daniel -- Daniel Bauer photographer Basel Barcelona https://www.patreon.com/danielbauer http://www.daniel-bauer.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 05/17/2018 03:09 PM, John Andersen wrote:
Warning: 8.8.8.8 is Google's free DNS service. Some people find the idea of it abhorrent, but I've never seen any indication of "evil" using this, and its is fast.
None other than google being able to capture every requested ip and associate it with yours and then tie it to every google account you have, bundle it and sell it to every slimy ad company on the planet. Aside from that -- it's a fine free DNS :) -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 05/17/2018 05:22 PM, David C. Rankin wrote:
On 05/17/2018 03:09 PM, John Andersen wrote:
Warning: 8.8.8.8 is Google's free DNS service. Some people find the idea of it abhorrent, but I've never seen any indication of "evil" using this, and its is fast.
None other than google being able to capture every requested ip and associate it with yours and then tie it to every google account you have, bundle it and sell it to every slimy ad company on the planet. Aside from that -- it's a fine free DNS :)
I run pfsense for my home router/firewall. It's configured as a DNS resolver, so it goes to the top level DNS servers, instead of relying on my ISP, Google, etc., to do that. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 05/17/2018 02:24 PM, James Knott wrote:
so it goes to the top level DNS servers,
Yeah, not a great idea going straight to the top. What. If. Everybody. Did. That? -- After all is said and done, more is said than done. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 05/17/2018 02:22 PM, David C. Rankin wrote:
On 05/17/2018 03:09 PM, John Andersen wrote:
Warning: 8.8.8.8 is Google's free DNS service. Some people find the idea of it abhorrent, but I've never seen any indication of "evil" using this, and its is fast.
None other than google being able to capture every requested ip and associate it with yours and then tie it to every google account you have, bundle it and sell it to every slimy ad company on the planet. Aside from that -- it's a fine free DNS :)
Google does not sell personally identifiable information. So at best they sell aggregates - city level. Here's their statemtnt on this issue: https://developers.google.com/speed/public-dns/privacy Now I have to ask, do you get this level of clarity from your local ISP? Where else are you going to get DNS and not be subject to Analysis? I use to use OpenDNS. I was a paying customer. Then Cisco bought them and ALL of the privacy promises went by the wayside, and you now get only this: https://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/about/legal/privacy-full.html (Plonk). My ISP? Comcast? Really, I should trust Comcast? They are an OpenDNS customer. And I'm sure they keep logs for far longer. This page has a lot of free DNS servers. Try some of them out, or at least read their policy. https://www.lifewire.com/free-and-public-dns-servers-2626062 CloudFare: https://1.1.1.1/#explanation No logging claimed? Verisign: https://www.verisign.com/en_US/security-services/public-dns/index.xhtml -- After all is said and done, more is said than done. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 18/05/18 00:30, John Andersen wrote:
On 05/17/2018 02:22 PM, David C. Rankin wrote:
On 05/17/2018 03:09 PM, John Andersen wrote:
Warning: 8.8.8.8 is Google's free DNS service. Some people find the idea of it abhorrent, but I've never seen any indication of "evil" using this, and its is fast.
None other than google being able to capture every requested ip and associate it with yours and then tie it to every google account you have, bundle it and sell it to every slimy ad company on the planet. Aside from that -- it's a fine free DNS :)
Google does not sell personally identifiable information. So at best they sell aggregates - city level.
Here's their statemtnt on this issue: https://developers.google.com/speed/public-dns/privacy
Now I have to ask, do you get this level of clarity from your local ISP? Where else are you going to get DNS and not be subject to Analysis?
I use to use OpenDNS. I was a paying customer. Then Cisco bought them and ALL of the privacy promises went by the wayside, and you now get only this: https://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/about/legal/privacy-full.html (Plonk).
My ISP? Comcast? Really, I should trust Comcast? They are an OpenDNS customer. And I'm sure they keep logs for far longer.
This page has a lot of free DNS servers.
Try some of them out, or at least read their policy.
https://www.lifewire.com/free-and-public-dns-servers-2626062
CloudFare: https://1.1.1.1/#explanation No logging claimed?
Verisign: https://www.verisign.com/en_US/security-services/public-dns/index.xhtml
Somebody else's openSUSE machine that I administer in the UK seemed to be sluggish at loading webpages using their ISP's default DNS so, not being a fan of anything Google and so not wanting to go with the regularly suggested 8.8.8.8, I stumbled on an article and changed them a while ago to the IBM-backed Quad9 (https://www.quad9.net/) servers: 9.9.9.9 I could see an immediate speed improvement. Might be worth checking out. gumb -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 05/17/2018 03:53 PM, gumb wrote:
On 18/05/18 00:30, John Andersen wrote:
On 05/17/2018 02:22 PM, David C. Rankin wrote:
On 05/17/2018 03:09 PM, John Andersen wrote:
Warning: 8.8.8.8 is Google's free DNS service. Some people find the idea of it abhorrent, but I've never seen any indication of "evil" using this, and its is fast.
None other than google being able to capture every requested ip and associate it with yours and then tie it to every google account you have, bundle it and sell it to every slimy ad company on the planet. Aside from that -- it's a fine free DNS :)
Google does not sell personally identifiable information. So at best they sell aggregates - city level.
Here's their statemtnt on this issue: https://developers.google.com/speed/public-dns/privacy
Now I have to ask, do you get this level of clarity from your local ISP? Where else are you going to get DNS and not be subject to Analysis?
I use to use OpenDNS. I was a paying customer. Then Cisco bought them and ALL of the privacy promises went by the wayside, and you now get only this: https://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/about/legal/privacy-full.html (Plonk).
My ISP? Comcast? Really, I should trust Comcast? They are an OpenDNS customer. And I'm sure they keep logs for far longer.
This page has a lot of free DNS servers.
Try some of them out, or at least read their policy.
https://www.lifewire.com/free-and-public-dns-servers-2626062
CloudFare: https://1.1.1.1/#explanation No logging claimed?
Verisign: https://www.verisign.com/en_US/security-services/public-dns/index.xhtml
Somebody else's openSUSE machine that I administer in the UK seemed to be sluggish at loading webpages using their ISP's default DNS so, not being a fan of anything Google and so not wanting to go with the regularly suggested 8.8.8.8, I stumbled on an article and changed them a while ago to the IBM-backed Quad9 (https://www.quad9.net/) servers: 9.9.9.9 I could see an immediate speed improvement. Might be worth checking out.
gumb
Quad9 was on the list I linked to above. Their Privacy Statement is here: https://www.quad9.net/privacy/ Some dns services in some countries (UK may be one of these) block some domains by government edict. Its one of the things you want to read about when checking for new services. 9.9.9.9 is as easy to remember as 8.8.8.8. Helps to have these tucked away in wetware at times. -- After all is said and done, more is said than done. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
* John Andersen <jsamyth@gmail.com> [05-17-18 18:31]:
On 05/17/2018 02:22 PM, David C. Rankin wrote:
On 05/17/2018 03:09 PM, John Andersen wrote:
Warning: 8.8.8.8 is Google's free DNS service. Some people find the idea of it abhorrent, but I've never seen any indication of "evil" using this, and its is fast.
None other than google being able to capture every requested ip and associate it with yours and then tie it to every google account you have, bundle it and sell it to every slimy ad company on the planet. Aside from that -- it's a fine free DNS :)
Google does not sell personally identifiable information. So at best they sell aggregates - city level.
Here's their statemtnt on this issue: https://developers.google.com/speed/public-dns/privacy
Now I have to ask, do you get this level of clarity from your local ISP? Where else are you going to get DNS and not be subject to Analysis?
I use to use OpenDNS. I was a paying customer. Then Cisco bought them and ALL of the privacy promises went by the wayside, and you now get only this: https://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/about/legal/privacy-full.html (Plonk).
My ISP? Comcast? Really, I should trust Comcast? They are an OpenDNS customer. And I'm sure they keep logs for far longer.
This page has a lot of free DNS servers.
Try some of them out, or at least read their policy.
https://www.lifewire.com/free-and-public-dns-servers-2626062
CloudFare: https://1.1.1.1/#explanation No logging claimed?
Verisign: https://www.verisign.com/en_US/security-services/public-dns/index.xhtml
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On 05/17/2018 05:30 PM, John Andersen wrote:
Google does not sell personally identifiable information. So at best they sell aggregates - city level.
Here's their statemtnt on this issue: https://developers.google.com/speed/public-dns/privacy
Now I have to ask, do you get this level of clarity from your local ISP? Where else are you going to get DNS and not be subject to Analysis?
Err, umm, err, there are enough weasle-words in there that I'm not sure what granular level they would be prevented from selling. Legally, they are not prevented from selling it all. And "No -- I don't know where Cohen got the money used to pay Stormy Daniels"... For me, I wish everyone lived up to their privacy policy -- my two mail servers tell me otherwise... But I've learned a "wish" only goes so far. With the removal of the prohibition of your ISP selling your data. It's really a Hobson's choice. -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Thu, 17 May 2018 13:09:02 -0700 John Andersen <jsamyth@gmail.com> wrote:
Warning: 8.8.8.8 is Google's free DNS service. Some people find the idea of it abhorrent, but I've never seen any indication of "evil" using this, and its is fast.
*One of* Google's free DNS *servers*. The other is 8.8.4.4 https://developers.google.com/speed/public-dns/ -- Liam Proven - Technical Writer, SUSE Linux s.r.o. Corso II, Křižíkova 148/34, 186-00 Praha 8 - Karlín, Czechia Email: lproven@suse.com - Office telephone: +420 284 241 084 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
After changing the name server everything seemed fine. But it isn't. In fact it is very strange. speed test pages say I have 10 Mbps download and 40 Mbps upload (I thought it should be reverse, but several pages say the same). Now, sometimes I open a webpage, like google, and it is here in no time. Next time I go to google it need 30 seconds. Or google comes up fast, but then clicking on a search result leads to a time-out... Sometimes I see TLS-handshaking status for 30 seconds, another time - on the same page - no problem. I had timeouts with google, paypal, my own site, and with thunderbird. Sometimes, when I open-close-open-close-open-close the browser window 3 times, the third time the website comes up immediatly, but then clicking on a link stops it again. Or it works. It's crazy. Using the same wifi on my mobile phone's firefox works just perfect. So it must be something with my laptop. But what? I tried a new virgin user with a new virgin firefox profile. The same... The problem is with thunderbird, firefox, seamonkey, chromium. I logged out and in, I rebooted... What could it be? What can I search for? On 17.05.2018 17:54, Daniel Bauer wrote:
I am here trying to use the wifi of my landlord. It is extremely slow, so slow that I cannot download emails with thunderbird due to time-out.
The landlord says that ohers using the same wifi don't have problems.
If use use that wifi on my phone, internet is fast and everything works, so I guess it is a problem on my computer.
On the other hand, when I use my mobile phone as a 4G-hotspot and connect the laptop to this, internet works. Not very good, but it works. So it is not that my laptop in general doesn't like the internet, the problem is specific to the wifi of the house here.
So my computer has something against the landlords wifi. What can it be? How can I find out?
Things I noted (don't know if normal):
- when connceted to that wifi, all mozilla programs need very long to open (thunderbird: 60 seconds, fireox 45 seconds). I am talking about the time from the click on the icon until the program window appears. When I connect over my mobile phone, those programs open normal. Do they really care about the connection? I think they should open without problems even if there is no connection at all, for local use...???
- sometimes the connection over the phone (using it as a mobile hotspot) also breaks down to very slow. Do I have a general internet problem that shows especially n the wifi here?
I have no idea where to start to search for the error. Please help. Thanks!
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On 2018-05-18 11:44, Daniel Bauer wrote:
After changing the name server everything seemed fine. But it isn't. In fact it is very strange.
speed test pages say I have 10 Mbps download and 40 Mbps upload (I thought it should be reverse, but several pages say the same).
Now, sometimes I open a webpage, like google, and it is here in no time. Next time I go to google it need 30 seconds. Or google comes up fast, but then clicking on a search result leads to a time-out...
Sometimes I see TLS-handshaking status for 30 seconds, another time - on the same page - no problem.
I had timeouts with google, paypal, my own site, and with thunderbird. Sometimes, when I open-close-open-close-open-close the browser window 3 times, the third time the website comes up immediatly, but then clicking on a link stops it again. Or it works. It's crazy.
Using the same wifi on my mobile phone's firefox works just perfect. So it must be something with my laptop. But what?
I tried a new virgin user with a new virgin firefox profile. The same... The problem is with thunderbird, firefox, seamonkey, chromium. I logged out and in, I rebooted...
What could it be? What can I search for?
I suspect network retries. You mentioned seeing those in Wireshark. It was possible to see them in the output from "ifconfig": Telcontar:~ # ifconfig eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:21:85:16:2D:0B inet addr:192.168.1.14 Bcast:192.168.1.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 inet6 addr: fe80::221:85ff:fe16:2d0b/64 Scope:Link inet6 addr: fc00::14/64 Scope:Global UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:1518289 errors:0 dropped:91 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:1241665 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 RX bytes:756457351 (721.4 Mb) TX bytes:114907042 (109.5 Mb) But now the package "ifconfig" is deprecated and not installed by default. There must be another program that tells the network errors stats, but I do not know which it is. It is possible that either your wlan hardware has a weak signal, or the antenna wire became cracked, thus your phone is not affected. It is also possible the router signal is weak in your room(s). There is an app for Android that can help there: "Wifi Analyzer" from farproc. This will display signal strength as well as all other wifi signals on the spot. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 42.3 x86_64 "Malachite" at Telcontar)
On Fri, 18 May 2018 13:03:42 +0200 "Carlos E. R." <robin.listas@telefonica.net> wrote:
On 2018-05-18 11:44, Daniel Bauer wrote:
What could it be? What can I search for?
I suspect network retries.
Another possibility to look for might be some wrongly configured IPv6 option somewhere, either on the laptop or the network. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 05/18/2018 12:27 PM, Dave Howorth wrote:
On 2018-05-18 11:44, Daniel Bauer wrote:
What could it be? What can I search for? I suspect network retries. Another possibility to look for might be some wrongly configured IPv6
On Fri, 18 May 2018 13:03:42 +0200 "Carlos E. R." <robin.listas@telefonica.net> wrote: option somewhere, either on the laptop or the network.
Why are people so quick to blame IPv6? I've been using it for years without problem. Given there's not a lot to configure with IPv6, less than IPv4, why do you think it's the problem? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 05/18/2018 09:42 AM, James Knott wrote:
On 05/18/2018 12:27 PM, Dave Howorth wrote:
On 2018-05-18 11:44, Daniel Bauer wrote:
What could it be? What can I search for? I suspect network retries. Another possibility to look for might be some wrongly configured IPv6
On Fri, 18 May 2018 13:03:42 +0200 "Carlos E. R." <robin.listas@telefonica.net> wrote: option somewhere, either on the laptop or the network.
Why are people so quick to blame IPv6? I've been using it for years without problem. Given there's not a lot to configure with IPv6, less than IPv4, why do you think it's the problem?
In case you hadn't noticed, we are grasping at straws here, and have worked our way down to 6th order problem sources. Why do you consider that "quick to blame"? And Why do you feel it your job to rush to the defense of IPV6? Nobody said it was the problem, just something to try. Can't help? Then butt out. -- After all is said and done, more is said than done. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 05/18/2018 01:05 PM, John Andersen wrote:
Why are people so quick to blame IPv6? I've been using it for years without problem. Given there's not a lot to configure with IPv6, less than IPv4, why do you think it's the problem?
In case you hadn't noticed, we are grasping at straws here, and have worked our way down to 6th order problem sources.
Why do you consider that "quick to blame"? And
I have often seen people blame it here and elsewhere, when it has nothing to do with the problem
Why do you feel it your job to rush to the defense of IPV6?
It's more about resolving an issue than blaming something else.
Nobody said it was the problem, just something to try. Can't help? Then butt out.
How does saying it's the cause of a problem help anything? I could ask the same question of you when you said "Another possibility to look for might be some wrongly configured IPv6 option somewhere, either on the laptop or the network". The only thing that might be an issue is if IPv6 is enabled on the local network, but there is no IPv6 connection to the Internet. In that instance, a app might receive an AAAA record from the DNS and try to access the IPv6 address, even though it can't be reached. I have been working with networks, going back 40 years, even before IP and Ethernet. I have seen a lot of nonsense and "common knowledge" that's flat out wrong in that time. A recent trend is to blame IPv6, by people who really don't understand networking. On another note, I recently bought a new Asus tablet that has a problem with WiFi not working after a while. I have been in frequent communication with Asus on this matter and have had a replacement tablet and a very recent firmware update. In all this, there is only one person I have been working with who seems to understand the problem and is trying to resolve it. Others try pushing the blame elsewhere, such as using pfsense, instead of a Netgear etc. router, ignoring the fact that the problem even occurs between my desktop computer and tablet, which means the router is not even involved. Or maybe my WiFi settings are not correct, even though it works fine for a while after rebooting. This shows me that some of the people involved do not understand how networks work or even problem determination. They're simply taking stabs at things that aren't relevant. As one who has spent the best part of over 40 years in IT resolving problems, I get annoyed when people talk nonsense and blame something that has nothing to do with the problem. </rant> So, if you think IPv6 could be the problem, how about some suggestions as to what to check. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 05/18/2018 01:23 PM, James Knott wrote:
How does saying it's the cause of a problem help anything? I could ask the same question of you when you said "Another possibility to look for might be some wrongly configured IPv6 option somewhere, either on the laptop or the network".
Sorry, wrong person. It wasn't you that said that. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 05/18/2018 10:23 AM, James Knott wrote:
I could ask the same question of you when you said "Another possibility to look for might be some wrongly configured IPv6 option somewhere, either on the laptop or the network".
The only thing that might be an issue is if IPv6 is enabled on the local network, but there is no IPv6 connection to the Internet. In that instance, a app might receive an AAAA record from the DNS and try to access the IPv6 address, even though it can't be reached.
So first you poo-poo the possibility of it being an IPV6 issue, then you cite a VERY COMMON problem, where the router has IPV6 upstream but not downstream. This came to your mind because 2 or 3 years ago this was a major problem. -- After all is said and done, more is said than done. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 05/18/2018 01:47 PM, John Andersen wrote:
On 05/18/2018 10:23 AM, James Knott wrote:
I could ask the same question of you when you said "Another possibility to look for might be some wrongly configured IPv6 option somewhere, either on the laptop or the network".
The only thing that might be an issue is if IPv6 is enabled on the local network, but there is no IPv6 connection to the Internet. In that instance, a app might receive an AAAA record from the DNS and try to access the IPv6 address, even though it can't be reached. So first you poo-poo the possibility of it being an IPV6 issue, then you cite a VERY COMMON problem, where the router has IPV6 upstream but not downstream. This came to your mind because 2 or 3 years ago this was a major problem.
Does the OP have IPv6 enabled? If not, then it's not an issue. Enabling IPv6, beyond link local, requires deliberate action, such as configuring IP addresses by some means, setting up a router that the computer knows about etc. By default, computers will have a link local (starts with fe80) IPv6 address, but that does not imply access beyond the local network and so would not cause the problem. Regardless, that's a simple matter to determine. Look at the DNS replies with Wireshark. Do you see any AAAA records? If not, IPv6 will never be attempted. Look at the requests. A device on an IPv4 only network will not even request an AAAA record. Without receiving an IPv6 address, a device will not experience problems due to IPv6, as everything it does will be on IPv4. As I said you need proper problem determination. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 18.05.2018 20:01, James Knott wrote:
On 05/18/2018 01:47 PM, John Andersen wrote:
On 05/18/2018 10:23 AM, James Knott wrote:
I could ask the same question of you when you said "Another possibility to look for might be some wrongly configured IPv6 option somewhere, either on the laptop or the network".
The only thing that might be an issue is if IPv6 is enabled on the local network, but there is no IPv6 connection to the Internet. In that instance, a app might receive an AAAA record from the DNS and try to access the IPv6 address, even though it can't be reached. So first you poo-poo the possibility of it being an IPV6 issue, then you cite a VERY COMMON problem, where the router has IPV6 upstream but not downstream. This came to your mind because 2 or 3 years ago this was a major problem.
Does the OP have IPv6 enabled? If not, then it's not an issue. Enabling IPv6, beyond link local, requires deliberate action, such as configuring IP addresses by some means, setting up a router that the computer knows about etc.
By default, computers will have a link local (starts with fe80) IPv6 address, but that does not imply access beyond the local network and so would not cause the problem.
Regardless, that's a simple matter to determine. Look at the DNS replies with Wireshark. Do you see any AAAA records? If not, IPv6 will never be attempted. Look at the requests. A device on an IPv4 only network will not even request an AAAA record. Without receiving an IPv6 address, a device will not experience problems due to IPv6, as everything it does will be on IPv4.
As I said you need proper problem determination.
I don't know if IPv6 is enabled. However I let wireshark run a few seconds and have a lot of "AAAA" in the saved file, like for example: 39 16.232613990 9.9.9.9 10.0.0.2 DNS 168 Standard query response 0x342c AAAA assets.tumblr.com CNAME s.gycs.b.yahoodns.net AAAA 2a00:1288:7c:800::4001 AAAA 2a00:1288:7c:800::4000 -- Daniel Bauer photographer Basel Barcelona https://www.patreon.com/danielbauer http://www.daniel-bauer.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2018-05-18 20:31, Daniel Bauer wrote:
I don't know if IPv6 is enabled. However I let wireshark run a few seconds and have a lot of "AAAA" in the saved file, like for example:
39 16.232613990 9.9.9.9 10.0.0.2 DNS 168 Standard query response 0x342c AAAA assets.tumblr.com CNAME s.gycs.b.yahoodns.net AAAA 2a00:1288:7c:800::4001 AAAA 2a00:1288:7c:800::4000
Edit the file /etc/gai.conf. There will be a line having: #precedence ::ffff:0:0/96 100 remove the comment symbol. I don't know if a reboot or a network restart is needed. It worked for me in the past. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 42.3 x86_64 "Malachite" at Telcontar)
On 18.05.2018 20:37, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2018-05-18 20:31, Daniel Bauer wrote:
I don't know if IPv6 is enabled. However I let wireshark run a few seconds and have a lot of "AAAA" in the saved file, like for example:
39 16.232613990 9.9.9.9 10.0.0.2 DNS 168 Standard query response 0x342c AAAA assets.tumblr.com CNAME s.gycs.b.yahoodns.net AAAA 2a00:1288:7c:800::4001 AAAA 2a00:1288:7c:800::4000
Edit the file /etc/gai.conf. There will be a line having:
#precedence ::ffff:0:0/96 100
remove the comment symbol. I don't know if a reboot or a network restart is needed.
It worked for me in the past.
What is the purpose of effect of this? Sorry for stupid question... -- Daniel Bauer photographer Basel Barcelona https://www.patreon.com/danielbauer http://www.daniel-bauer.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2018-05-18 20:42, Daniel Bauer wrote:
On 18.05.2018 20:37, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2018-05-18 20:31, Daniel Bauer wrote:
I don't know if IPv6 is enabled. However I let wireshark run a few seconds and have a lot of "AAAA" in the saved file, like for example:
39 16.232613990 9.9.9.9 10.0.0.2 DNS 168 Standard query response 0x342c AAAA assets.tumblr.com CNAME s.gycs.b.yahoodns.net AAAA 2a00:1288:7c:800::4001 AAAA 2a00:1288:7c:800::4000
Edit the file /etc/gai.conf. There will be a line having:
#precedence ::ffff:0:0/96 100
remove the comment symbol. I don't know if a reboot or a network restart is needed.
It worked for me in the past.
What is the purpose of effect of this? Sorry for stupid question...
That you prefer to use IPv4. It makes sense because your internet will not have IPv6. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 42.3 x86_64 "Malachite" at Telcontar)
On 05/18/2018 02:31 PM, Daniel Bauer wrote:
I don't know if IPv6 is enabled. However I let wireshark run a few seconds and have a lot of "AAAA" in the saved file, like for example:
39 16.232613990 9.9.9.9 10.0.0.2 DNS 168 Standard query response 0x342c AAAA assets.tumblr.com CNAME s.gycs.b.yahoodns.net AAAA 2a00:1288:7c:800::4001 AAAA 2a00:1288:7c:800::4000
Does your computer have an IPv6 address, other than link local? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 18.05.2018 20:42, James Knott wrote:
On 05/18/2018 02:31 PM, Daniel Bauer wrote:
I don't know if IPv6 is enabled. However I let wireshark run a few seconds and have a lot of "AAAA" in the saved file, like for example:
39 16.232613990 9.9.9.9 10.0.0.2 DNS 168 Standard query response 0x342c AAAA assets.tumblr.com CNAME s.gycs.b.yahoodns.net AAAA 2a00:1288:7c:800::4001 AAAA 2a00:1288:7c:800::4000
Does your computer have an IPv6 address, other than link local?
is it this what you are asking for? wlan0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr A4:34:D9:5F:FA:19 inet addr:10.0.0.2 Bcast:10.0.0.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 inet6 addr: fe80::a634:d9ff:fe5f:fa19/64 Scope:Link UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:41880 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:30763 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 RX bytes:38785579 (36.9 Mb) TX bytes:4388717 (4.1 Mb) Also take a look at the message I'll write right now replaying to my first "still strange" post. -- Daniel Bauer photographer Basel Barcelona https://www.patreon.com/danielbauer http://www.daniel-bauer.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 05/18/2018 03:08 PM, Daniel Bauer wrote:
is it this what you are asking for?
wlan0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr A4:34:D9:5F:FA:19 inet addr:10.0.0.2 Bcast:10.0.0.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 inet6 addr: fe80::a634:d9ff:fe5f:fa19/64 Scope:Link UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:41880 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:30763 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 RX bytes:38785579 (36.9 Mb) TX bytes:4388717 (4.1 Mb)
I only see a link local IPv6 address. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 05/18/2018 02:31 PM, Daniel Bauer wrote:
I don't know if IPv6 is enabled. However I let wireshark run a few seconds and have a lot of "AAAA" in the saved file, like for example:
39 16.232613990 9.9.9.9 10.0.0.2 DNS 168 Standard query response 0x342c AAAA assets.tumblr.com CNAME s.gycs.b.yahoodns.net AAAA 2a00:1288:7c:800::4001 AAAA 2a00:1288:7c:800::4000
When you try to access that site by name, do you see any IPv6 activity? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 05/18/2018 10:23 AM, James Knott wrote:
So, if you think IPv6 could be the problem, how about some suggestions as to what to check.
I wasn't the one seriously suggesting IPV6 was the problem. The easiest way to check is to turn off ipv6 temporarily. To disable or enable IPv6 on an installed system, use the YaST Network Settings module. On the Global Options tab, check or uncheck the Enable IPv6 option as necessary. If you want to enable it temporarily until the next reboot, enter modprobe -i ipv6 as root . Reboot. -- After all is said and done, more is said than done. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 05/18/2018 01:53 PM, John Andersen wrote:
I wasn't the one seriously suggesting IPV6 was the problem. The easiest way to check is to turn off ipv6 temporarily.
I already corrected my error on identifying you. Again, if the computer does not have an IPv6 address, other than link local, it won't do much. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2018-05-18 19:23, James Knott wrote:
How does saying it's the cause of a problem help anything? I could ask the same question of you when you said "Another possibility to look for might be some wrongly configured IPv6 option somewhere, either on the laptop or the network".
The only thing that might be an issue is if IPv6 is enabled on the local network, but there is no IPv6 connection to the Internet. In that instance, a app might receive an AAAA record from the DNS and try to access the IPv6 address, even though it can't be reached.
This is common in Spain, and the OP is here now. I have this in "/etc/gai.conf": precedence ::ffff:0:0/96 100 and then my problems stopped. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 42.3 x86_64 "Malachite" at Telcontar)
On 05/18/2018 02:01 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
The only thing that might be an issue is if IPv6 is enabled on the local network, but there is no IPv6 connection to the Internet. In that instance, a app might receive an AAAA record from the DNS and try to access the IPv6 address, even though it can't be reached. This is common in Spain, and the OP is here now.
What is common in Spain? A link local address? That's default everywhere. Do you have routable addresses, but nowhere to route to? What do you have in gai.conf? When I look at mine, every line starts with # and so is ignored. It also says the purpose of that file is to overwrite the defaults. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2018-05-18 20:07, James Knott wrote:
On 05/18/2018 02:01 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
The only thing that might be an issue is if IPv6 is enabled on the local network, but there is no IPv6 connection to the Internet. In that instance, a app might receive an AAAA record from the DNS and try to access the IPv6 address, even though it can't be reached. This is common in Spain, and the OP is here now.
What is common in Spain?
What you said. IPv6 enabled on the machine or network, yet no IPv6 to the outside. And a "host" query would return both IPv6/4 addresses, and the software would try the "6". It happened with zypper some years ago. Telcontar:~ # host download.opensuse.org download.opensuse.org has address 195.135.221.134 download.opensuse.org has IPv6 address 2620:113:80c0:8::13 Telcontar:~ # When there was a problem with the first address, zypper automatically tried the second one, and reported an IPv6 related error, like no route to host, when the real error was a different one with the IPv4 host. Several people had to disable IPv6 support entirely on their Linux machines. I found that the gai.conf change worked sufficiently for me.
What do you have in gai.conf?
The default file supplied by openSUSE, except that line I posted.
When I look at mine, every line starts with # and so is ignored. It also says the purpose of that file is to overwrite the defaults.
Same here, except that line. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 42.3 x86_64 "Malachite" at Telcontar)
Op vrijdag 18 mei 2018 11:44:29 CEST schreef Daniel Bauer:
After changing the name server everything seemed fine. But it isn't. In fact it is very strange.
speed test pages say I have 10 Mbps download and 40 Mbps upload (I thought it should be reverse, but several pages say the same).
Now, sometimes I open a webpage, like google, and it is here in no time. Next time I go to google it need 30 seconds. Or google comes up fast, but then clicking on a search result leads to a time-out...
Sometimes I see TLS-handshaking status for 30 seconds, another time - on the same page - no problem.
I had timeouts with google, paypal, my own site, and with thunderbird. Sometimes, when I open-close-open-close-open-close the browser window 3 times, the third time the website comes up immediatly, but then clicking on a link stops it again. Or it works. It's crazy.
Using the same wifi on my mobile phone's firefox works just perfect. So it must be something with my laptop. But what?
I tried a new virgin user with a new virgin firefox profile. The same... The problem is with thunderbird, firefox, seamonkey, chromium. I logged out and in, I rebooted...
What could it be? What can I search for?
On 17.05.2018 17:54, Daniel Bauer wrote:
I am here trying to use the wifi of my landlord. It is extremely slow, so slow that I cannot download emails with thunderbird due to time-out.
The landlord says that ohers using the same wifi don't have problems.
If use use that wifi on my phone, internet is fast and everything works, so I guess it is a problem on my computer.
On the other hand, when I use my mobile phone as a 4G-hotspot and connect the laptop to this, internet works. Not very good, but it works. So it is not that my laptop in general doesn't like the internet, the problem is specific to the wifi of the house here.
So my computer has something against the landlords wifi. What can it be? How can I find out?
Things I noted (don't know if normal):
- when connceted to that wifi, all mozilla programs need very long to open (thunderbird: 60 seconds, fireox 45 seconds). I am talking about the time from the click on the icon until the program window appears. When I connect over my mobile phone, those programs open normal. Do they really care about the connection? I think they should open without problems even if there is no connection at all, for local use...???
- sometimes the connection over the phone (using it as a mobile hotspot) also breaks down to very slow. Do I have a general internet problem that shows especially n the wifi here?
I have no idea where to start to search for the error. Please help. Thanks! Did you already try this: Turn everything off, then turn on again start at the wall, i.e. modem, router, switches, machines. I'm beginning to suscpect some caching issue between web and your machine.
-- Gertjan Lettink a.k.a. Knurpht openSUSE Board Member openSUSE Forums Team -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 05/18/2018 09:39 AM, Knurpht @ openSUSE wrote:
Turn everything off, then turn on again start at the wall, i.e. modem, router, switches, machines. I'm beginning to suscpect some caching issue between web and your machine.
The router is not under his control. Turning off the computer is the best he can do in this regard. -- After all is said and done, more is said than done. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 18.05.2018 18:39, Knurpht @ openSUSE wrote:
Op vrijdag 18 mei 2018 11:44:29 CEST schreef Daniel Bauer:
After changing the name server everything seemed fine. But it isn't. In fact it is very strange.
speed test pages say I have 10 Mbps download and 40 Mbps upload (I thought it should be reverse, but several pages say the same).
Now, sometimes I open a webpage, like google, and it is here in no time. Next time I go to google it need 30 seconds. Or google comes up fast, but then clicking on a search result leads to a time-out...
Sometimes I see TLS-handshaking status for 30 seconds, another time - on the same page - no problem.
I had timeouts with google, paypal, my own site, and with thunderbird. Sometimes, when I open-close-open-close-open-close the browser window 3 times, the third time the website comes up immediatly, but then clicking on a link stops it again. Or it works. It's crazy.
Using the same wifi on my mobile phone's firefox works just perfect. So it must be something with my laptop. But what?
I tried a new virgin user with a new virgin firefox profile. The same... The problem is with thunderbird, firefox, seamonkey, chromium. I logged out and in, I rebooted...
What could it be? What can I search for?
On 17.05.2018 17:54, Daniel Bauer wrote:
I am here trying to use the wifi of my landlord. It is extremely slow, so slow that I cannot download emails with thunderbird due to time-out.
The landlord says that ohers using the same wifi don't have problems.
If use use that wifi on my phone, internet is fast and everything works, so I guess it is a problem on my computer.
On the other hand, when I use my mobile phone as a 4G-hotspot and connect the laptop to this, internet works. Not very good, but it works. So it is not that my laptop in general doesn't like the internet, the problem is specific to the wifi of the house here.
So my computer has something against the landlords wifi. What can it be? How can I find out?
Things I noted (don't know if normal):
- when connceted to that wifi, all mozilla programs need very long to open (thunderbird: 60 seconds, fireox 45 seconds). I am talking about the time from the click on the icon until the program window appears. When I connect over my mobile phone, those programs open normal. Do they really care about the connection? I think they should open without problems even if there is no connection at all, for local use...???
- sometimes the connection over the phone (using it as a mobile hotspot) also breaks down to very slow. Do I have a general internet problem that shows especially n the wifi here?
I have no idea where to start to search for the error. Please help. Thanks! Did you already try this: Turn everything off, then turn on again start at the wall, i.e. modem, router, switches, machines. I'm beginning to suscpect some caching issue between web and your machine.
I'll try that. There's this box with the antennas here, I guess that's the router. It has no buttons at all, but I can take out the electric plug. I'll do that later and then report tomorrow if something changed. -- Daniel Bauer photographer Basel Barcelona https://www.patreon.com/danielbauer http://www.daniel-bauer.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 05/18/2018 02:44 AM, Daniel Bauer wrote:
After changing the name server everything seemed fine. But it isn't. In fact it is very strange.
speed test pages say I have 10 Mbps download and 40 Mbps upload (I thought it should be reverse, but several pages say the same).
Now, sometimes I open a webpage, like google, and it is here in no time. Next time I go to google it need 30 seconds. Or google comes up fast, but then clicking on a search result leads to a time-out...
Sometimes I see TLS-handshaking status for 30 seconds, another time - on the same page - no problem.
[trim]... Possibly a cashing proxy server? Visit this page: http://amibehindaproxy.com/ Also: https://isc.sans.edu/forums/diary/How+to+identify+if+you+are+behind+a+Transp... (although there is no reason this should affect only your laptop and not your phone). So I'm still suspecting something about the drivers (firmware) in your wifi chipset, and I would look for messages (journalctl) pertaining to loading of wifi firmware. If you happened to have another usb-wifi dongle hanging around, I'd be tempted to try plugging in that as a test. Question: What does a tls handshake look like in a browser? Also: I would not be visiting places like PayPal until you get to the bottom of this. -- After all is said and done, more is said than done. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 18.05.2018 19:44, John Andersen wrote:
Possibly a cashing proxy server? Visit this page: http://amibehindaproxy.com/ Also: https://isc.sans.edu/forums/diary/How+to+identify+if+you+are+behind+a+Transp... (although there is no reason this should affect only your laptop and not your phone).
It looks as if there is no proxy. I used these pages to test: http://www.lagado.com/proxy-test http://www.lagado.com/tools/cache-test
So I'm still suspecting something about the drivers (firmware) in your wifi chipset, and I would look for messages (journalctl) pertaining to loading of wifi firmware.
If you happened to have another usb-wifi dongle hanging around, I'd be tempted to try plugging in that as a test.
Don't have...
Question: What does a tls handshake look like in a browser?
In the status line down on the left where it shows things like "waiting for..." there sometimes is for several seconds a message like "staring Handshaking with..." (sorry, I forgot about the effective text. When it works normal I never have seen such a message, that's why it fell in my eye)
Also: I would not be visiting places like PayPal until you get to the bottom of this.
hm, yes... -- Daniel Bauer photographer Basel Barcelona https://www.patreon.com/danielbauer http://www.daniel-bauer.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Hm. Right now - since some hours - the strange behavior has disappeared. In the meantime I made a zypper up that installed new nvidia drivers and thus created a new initrd. Since the boot after that everything looks good. Maybe something in my previous initrd was wrong and caused these problems, and with the new one it is now solved? I have no idea but tend to hope so. I also tried with the new user I created today and also there the problem does not exist anymore, right now... e-Mail, all my browser profiles of different browser, all works with le local wifi. I hope it will be like that also tomorrow, or for sure you will hear about it :-) I'll post tomorrow anyway to tell about the situation after some reboots and log-in's. On 18.05.2018 11:44, Daniel Bauer wrote:
After changing the name server everything seemed fine. But it isn't. In fact it is very strange.
speed test pages say I have 10 Mbps download and 40 Mbps upload (I thought it should be reverse, but several pages say the same).
Now, sometimes I open a webpage, like google, and it is here in no time. Next time I go to google it need 30 seconds. Or google comes up fast, but then clicking on a search result leads to a time-out...
Sometimes I see TLS-handshaking status for 30 seconds, another time - on the same page - no problem.
I had timeouts with google, paypal, my own site, and with thunderbird. Sometimes, when I open-close-open-close-open-close the browser window 3 times, the third time the website comes up immediatly, but then clicking on a link stops it again. Or it works. It's crazy.
Using the same wifi on my mobile phone's firefox works just perfect. So it must be something with my laptop. But what?
I tried a new virgin user with a new virgin firefox profile. The same... The problem is with thunderbird, firefox, seamonkey, chromium. I logged out and in, I rebooted...
What could it be? What can I search for?
On 17.05.2018 17:54, Daniel Bauer wrote:
I am here trying to use the wifi of my landlord. It is extremely slow, so slow that I cannot download emails with thunderbird due to time-out.
The landlord says that ohers using the same wifi don't have problems.
If use use that wifi on my phone, internet is fast and everything works, so I guess it is a problem on my computer.
On the other hand, when I use my mobile phone as a 4G-hotspot and connect the laptop to this, internet works. Not very good, but it works. So it is not that my laptop in general doesn't like the internet, the problem is specific to the wifi of the house here.
So my computer has something against the landlords wifi. What can it be? How can I find out?
Things I noted (don't know if normal):
- when connceted to that wifi, all mozilla programs need very long to open (thunderbird: 60 seconds, fireox 45 seconds). I am talking about the time from the click on the icon until the program window appears. When I connect over my mobile phone, those programs open normal. Do they really care about the connection? I think they should open without problems even if there is no connection at all, for local use...???
- sometimes the connection over the phone (using it as a mobile hotspot) also breaks down to very slow. Do I have a general internet problem that shows especially n the wifi here?
I have no idea where to start to search for the error. Please help. Thanks!
-- Daniel Bauer photographer Basel Barcelona https://www.patreon.com/danielbauer http://www.daniel-bauer.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 05/18/2018 12:08 PM, Daniel Bauer wrote:
Since the boot after that everything looks good.
Remind me again what wifi chipset you have? You posted it once, but I didn't save that message. Was it a Intel wireless n 2230 (aka WiMax 625) If so this is a known problem (it gets stuck in N mode and will not revert to B or G). See Post #5 https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2246457&p=13133995#post13133995 Newer kernels fix this, and maybe that's why yours started to work. If not that card, don't try this fix, and (obviously) don't try to fix it if its not broken. -- After all is said and done, more is said than done. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 05/18/2018 03:42 PM, John Andersen wrote:
Was it a Intel wireless n 2230 (aka WiMax 625) If so this is a known problem (it gets stuck in N mode and will not revert to B or G).
Is that an issue these days? N has been common for years and b shouldn't be used as it isn't secure. It will also cause a significant performance hit. My access point is configured for n only. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 05/18/2018 12:47 PM, James Knott wrote:
On 05/18/2018 03:42 PM, John Andersen wrote:
Was it a Intel wireless n 2230 (aka WiMax 625) If so this is a known problem (it gets stuck in N mode and will not revert to B or G).
Is that an issue these days? N has been common for years and b shouldn't be used as it isn't secure. It will also cause a significant performance hit. My access point is configured for n only.
Yes, it is an issue these days. Apparently the driver is upstream, delivered with the kernel, and as of 4.14 it was still wrong on Manjaro. Maybe this fix never was backported to Opensuse's 4.12 kernel until very recently. This fix solved it for many with that card, even as late as 2017. Later kernels patched it, and maybe that fix is included in what Daniel just updated. As for the performance hit, his connection was debilitating, so anything that helps. WPA is insecure, WPA2 is not. Don't confuse that with 802.11B The problem was these particular chipsets would get stuck in N, and not fall back to G without that parameter change. -- After all is said and done, more is said than done. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 05/18/2018 04:24 PM, John Andersen wrote:
Is that an issue these days? N has been common for years and b shouldn't be used as it isn't secure. It will also cause a significant performance hit. My access point is configured for n only.
Yes, it is an issue these days. Apparently the driver is upstream, delivered with the kernel, and as of 4.14 it was still wrong on Manjaro. Maybe this fix never was backported to Opensuse's 4.12 kernel until very recently.
Are there really that many b or n networks where being stuck on n would cause a problem? I don't have a single device that won't work on n, so I configured my AP to be n only. Is there anyone still using b? One big problem with it is that is uses a different modulation method than all the other letters. This means that when a g or n device hears a b signal, it has to first send a b frame to reserve time for the g or n frame to follow. This causes the performance hit. With all other types, it's only necessary to send the frame header at the slower rate and then the data at whatever rate is possible. This results in a far smaller hit when, for example, there's a g device that's heard by an n. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Friday, 2018-05-18 at 13:24 -0700, John Andersen wrote:
The problem was these particular chipsets would get stuck in N, and not fall back to G without that parameter change.
Could you remind us what is G and N? :-) - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. (from openSUSE 42.3 x86_64 "Malachite" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iEYEARECAAYFAlr/ONYACgkQtTMYHG2NR9WNmQCcCduPzHIepolZOmNt9ZMFKBgN fekAnj6lRlzQGf62rwmvzyhrC+PdhiZE =lTKC -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 05/18/2018 04:34 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Could you remind us what is G and N? :-)
I know you're kidding, but they are different generations of WiFi. On 2.4 GHz, 802.11b was the first commonly used for networking. It ran at a max of 11 Mb/s. G was the next generation at 54 Mb and is the exact same protocol as 802.11a, on 5 GHz, with the addition of protection for b. N runs at up to 600 Mb, IIRC. It can also be on both 2.4 & 5 GHz bands. Of course, we can't forget about 802.11ac, which is even more bandwidth, but only on 5 GHz. All of these, other than 802.11b, use orthogonal frequency division multiplexing. 802.11b uses Direct Sequence Spread Spectrum. This difference means that the 802.11b protection used in g & n causes a significant performance hit, as g & n must send a b frame to reserve time for the g or n frame. 802.11b also uses WEP encryption, which is easily broken. 802.11n & ac require WPA2 encryption. These days there is little reason to use anything other than 802.11n on 2.4 GHz, as it been available for years. BTW, O'Reilly books have some good books on WiFi, written by Matthew Gast. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Content-ID: <alpine.LSU.2.21.1805182335170.21312@Telcontar.valinor> On Friday, 2018-05-18 at 16:49 -0400, James Knott wrote:
On 05/18/2018 04:34 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Could you remind us what is G and N? :-)
I know you're kidding, but they are different generations of WiFi.
It took me some time to remember what you were talking about by "G" or "N", and a single letter is hard to google ;-)
On 2.4 GHz, 802.11b was the first commonly used for networking. It ran at a max of 11 Mb/s. G was the next generation at 54 Mb and is the exact same protocol as 802.11a, on 5 GHz, with the addition of protection for b. N runs at up to 600 Mb, IIRC. It can also be on both 2.4 & 5 GHz bands. Of course, we can't forget about 802.11ac, which is even more bandwidth, but only on 5 GHz.
All of these, other than 802.11b, use orthogonal frequency division multiplexing. 802.11b uses Direct Sequence Spread Spectrum. This difference means that the 802.11b protection used in g & n causes a significant performance hit, as g & n must send a b frame to reserve time for the g or n frame. 802.11b also uses WEP encryption, which is easily broken. 802.11n & ac require WPA2 encryption.
These days there is little reason to use anything other than 802.11n on 2.4 GHz, as it been available for years.
BTW, O'Reilly books have some good books on WiFi, written by Matthew Gast.
I took this time to look again at the settings of my AP, and it was set to "auto" with b/g protection. I have set it to N, after verifying that my older WiFi device can connect. Then I noticed there was a firmware update and I'm applying it as I write. Then I'll take the chance to set the bandwidth to 40 (was 20/40), because my laptop says always "20" even when actively downloading things. [...] After the manual firmware update, the thing still says there is an upgrade available. I click, and this time it offers to automatically upgrade itself, and I accept. So another upgrade in progress. That worked. But then I saw that I could activate login to the router by https, and then the router no longer allows me to connect me to it. I will have to factory reset it :-/ https refuses to connect, and http gets me: Settings have been updated. Web page will now refresh. Changes have been made to the IP address or port number. You will now be disconnected from RT-N12D1. To access the settings of RT-N12D1, reconnect to the wireless network and use the updated IP address and port number. even after a reboot. Never refreshes, seems to be saved by firefox itself. And after a factory reset, I can't connect to it on 192.168.1.1 :-/ Dead. I hate these things. Trying with a direct connection to my laptop, does not respond to ping. Damn it! It only responds on rj port 1, output! Not on the input lan port. Weird. I can now connect to it on 192.168.1.1, but it insists in doing it via asus.com page wizard. It refuses to obey "skip wizard". I hate these things. At least now I can connect and reload backed up config. I hope. Ok, done. Now repeat the changes I did earlier tonight... The daft thing needs click apply on every config page tab, then wait... This time I enabled both http and https, but the later fails. Oh! The daft thing has a configured https port at 8443! It does work on that one. Damm! Ok, finished, configuration saved to file, LAN/WAN is working again. Pffff! - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. (from openSUSE 42.3 x86_64 "Malachite" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iEYEARECAAYFAlr/VkYACgkQtTMYHG2NR9WfHACfY7q3g6iTEu3KxkU3XQ2jMoqm fxwAnjXfNuODlrkvBMfyTYBqslpmpkwD =Phzo -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
On 05/18/2018 06:39 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Then I'll take the chance to set the bandwidth to 40 (was 20/40), because my laptop says always "20" even when actively downloading things.
40 means using twice the bandwidth of an 802.11g channel. You shouldn't use it if there are several other users nearby. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2018-05-19 01:08, James Knott wrote:
On 05/18/2018 06:39 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Then I'll take the chance to set the bandwidth to 40 (was 20/40), because my laptop says always "20" even when actively downloading things.
40 means using twice the bandwidth of an 802.11g channel. You shouldn't use it if there are several other users nearby.
Same as they do. There are only 6 networks around, and I'm tired of mine being slow. Supposedly my router should use 20 on standby, and switch to 40 when busy, but it doesn't. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 42.3 x86_64 "Malachite" at Telcontar)
On 05/18/2018 07:15 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
There are only 6 networks around, and I'm tired of mine being slow.
There are only 3 non-overlapping channels in the 2.4 GHz band. 40 takes 2 of them. This isn't an issue at 5 GHz. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 05/18/2018 06:39 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
It took me some time to remember what you were talking about by "G" or "N", and a single letter is hard to google ;-)
Put 802.11 in front of it, for example 802.11g. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
After 3 reboots and several login and logout for two different users, everything works perfect, touch on wood... So one thing was the name server, and the other probably solved itself with the new inird caused by the recent update. Hope it stays that way :-) Thanks everybody for the help! On 18.05.2018 21:08, Daniel Bauer wrote:
Hm. Right now - since some hours - the strange behavior has disappeared. In the meantime I made a zypper up that installed new nvidia drivers and thus created a new initrd.
Since the boot after that everything looks good.
Maybe something in my previous initrd was wrong and caused these problems, and with the new one it is now solved? I have no idea but tend to hope so.
I also tried with the new user I created today and also there the problem does not exist anymore, right now...
e-Mail, all my browser profiles of different browser, all works with le local wifi. I hope it will be like that also tomorrow, or for sure you will hear about it :-)
I'll post tomorrow anyway to tell about the situation after some reboots and log-in's.
On 18.05.2018 11:44, Daniel Bauer wrote:
After changing the name server everything seemed fine. But it isn't. In fact it is very strange.
speed test pages say I have 10 Mbps download and 40 Mbps upload (I thought it should be reverse, but several pages say the same).
Now, sometimes I open a webpage, like google, and it is here in no time. Next time I go to google it need 30 seconds. Or google comes up fast, but then clicking on a search result leads to a time-out...
Sometimes I see TLS-handshaking status for 30 seconds, another time - on the same page - no problem.
I had timeouts with google, paypal, my own site, and with thunderbird. Sometimes, when I open-close-open-close-open-close the browser window 3 times, the third time the website comes up immediatly, but then clicking on a link stops it again. Or it works. It's crazy.
Using the same wifi on my mobile phone's firefox works just perfect. So it must be something with my laptop. But what?
I tried a new virgin user with a new virgin firefox profile. The same... The problem is with thunderbird, firefox, seamonkey, chromium. I logged out and in, I rebooted...
What could it be? What can I search for?
On 17.05.2018 17:54, Daniel Bauer wrote:
I am here trying to use the wifi of my landlord. It is extremely slow, so slow that I cannot download emails with thunderbird due to time-out.
The landlord says that ohers using the same wifi don't have problems.
If use use that wifi on my phone, internet is fast and everything works, so I guess it is a problem on my computer.
On the other hand, when I use my mobile phone as a 4G-hotspot and connect the laptop to this, internet works. Not very good, but it works. So it is not that my laptop in general doesn't like the internet, the problem is specific to the wifi of the house here.
So my computer has something against the landlords wifi. What can it be? How can I find out?
Things I noted (don't know if normal):
- when connceted to that wifi, all mozilla programs need very long to open (thunderbird: 60 seconds, fireox 45 seconds). I am talking about the time from the click on the icon until the program window appears. When I connect over my mobile phone, those programs open normal. Do they really care about the connection? I think they should open without problems even if there is no connection at all, for local use...???
- sometimes the connection over the phone (using it as a mobile hotspot) also breaks down to very slow. Do I have a general internet problem that shows especially n the wifi here?
I have no idea where to start to search for the error. Please help. Thanks!
-- Daniel Bauer photographer Basel Barcelona https://www.patreon.com/danielbauer http://www.daniel-bauer.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
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