At 00:49:17 on Tuesday Tuesday 24 February 2009, Randall R Schulz wrote:

On Monday February 23 2009, Stan Goodman wrote:

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Although I can see other graphics and videos on the CNN website, I can't see these. What comes up is a blank rectangle where the pictures should be. Is this the experience of others too? Can someone offer an explanation for tis?

In order for us to be (more) certain we're looking at the same images you are (trying to), it would be good if you gave a URL to the page in question.

What is there now is: http://www.cnn.com/2009/TECH/space/02/17/space.spotlight/index.html. -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel "The sky will open. The lights will come down. Celestial choirs will be singing and everyone will know we should do the right thing and the world will be perfect!" - Hillary Clinton, on Barck Obama's "Vision Of Change", before she became a kept woman -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

At 01:13:56 on Tuesday Tuesday 24 February 2009, Kai Ponte wrote:

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In order for us to be (more) certain we're looking at the same images you are (trying to), it would be good if you gave a URL to the page in question.

What is there now is: http://www.cnn.com/2009/TECH/space/02/17/space.spotlight/index.html .

It is Flash content. Do you have flash installed and running?

About plugins shows Shockwave Flash v9.0.r1.52, and it is enabled for swf and spl. I do see flash content. I have Flashblock installed, and normally do see the Flashblock button when there is Flash content, but not on these Space Spotlight pictures. Javascript is enabled for CNN. I have enabled JS for some other options, so that the NoScript icon shows that no scripts are being blocked. Still no picture. -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

At 03:04:39 on Tuesday Tuesday 24 February 2009, "Carlos E. R." wrote:

On Tuesday, 2009-02-24 at 01:49 +0200, Stan Goodman wrote:

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What is there now is: <http://www.cnn.com/2009/TECH/space/02/17/space.spotlight/index.htm l> .

It is Flash content. Do you have flash installed and running?

About plugins shows Shockwave Flash v9.0.r1.52, and it is enabled for swf and spl. I do see flash content. I have Flashblock installed, and normally do see the Flashblock button when there is Flash content, but not on these Space Spotlight pictures. Javascript is enabled for CNN. I have enabled JS for some other options, so that the NoScript icon shows that no scripts are being blocked. Still no picture.

I also have the flash blocker (which was updated recently), and I can see those images. But I don't have the script blocker.

File name: npwrapper.libflashplayer.so Shockwave Flash 9.0 r152

Flashblock 1.5.8

mozilla firefox 3.0.6

You are also using the same apparently ancient Flash release as me, and you see the content that I don't see? I can't see how the presence of NoScript can be the problem, since both cnn.com and cnn.net allowed scripts, and NoScript reports that it is not blocking anything on that page.

You can also have a whitelist for flashblock.

And I do have one for the few sites that I use that use flash, including cnn.com and cnn.net. -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Carlos E. R. wrote:

On Tuesday, 2009-02-24 at 11:04 +0200, Stan Goodman wrote:

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I also have the flash blocker (which was updated recently), and I can see those images. But I don't have the script blocker.

File name: npwrapper.libflashplayer.so Shockwave Flash 9.0 r152

Flashblock 1.5.8

mozilla firefox 3.0.6

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You are also using the same apparently ancient Flash release as me, and you see the content that I don't see?

Yep. And I'm not updating flash unless SUSE provides it via its standard YOU method :-P

I'm playing safe.

Perhaps you could try with a new user :-?

By the way, I have:

/usr/lib/browser-plugins/libflashplayer.so from flash-player-9.0.152.0-0.1...rpm

and /usr/lib/browser-plugins/npwrapper.libflashplayer.so that doesn't belong to any rpm, and is dated 2009-01-08.

Curious. I can't find that file with pin or webpin.

-- Cheers, Carlos E. R.

Interesting, I only have libflashplayer.so from flash-player-10.0.12.36-4.4 and not npwrapper.libflashplayer.so which is maybe why you can't find it. My flash works perfectly. Regards Dave P -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On 02/25/2009 09:37 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:

On Wednesday, 2009-02-25 at 09:59 +0200, Dave Plater wrote:

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Carlos E. R. wrote:

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By the way, I have:

/usr/lib/browser-plugins/libflashplayer.so from flash-player-9.0.152.0-0.1...rpm

and /usr/lib/browser-plugins/npwrapper.libflashplayer.so that doesn't belong to any rpm, and is dated 2009-01-08.

Curious. I can't find that file with pin or webpin.

Interesting, I only have libflashplayer.so from flash-player-10.0.12.36-4.4 and not npwrapper.libflashplayer.so which is maybe why you can't find it. My flash works perfectly.

Mine works fine, too - that's why I'm curious about where does that file come from.

It was probably created by the nspluginwrapper rpm by a post install script. To check, try nspluginwrapper -l as root. That tells me you probably run a 64 bit system and browser. If you install the x86_64 beta flash plugin, you should remove that link via nspluginwrapper. For options and syntax, nspluginwrapper --help -- Joe Morris Registered Linux user 231871 running openSUSE 11.1 x86_64 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Carlos E. R. wrote:

On Wednesday, 2009-02-25 at 22:11 +0800, Joe Morris wrote:

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Mine works fine, too - that's why I'm curious about where does that file come from. It was probably created by the nspluginwrapper rpm by a post install script. To check, try nspluginwrapper -l as root. That tells me you probably run a 64 bit system and browser. If you install the x86_64 beta flash plugin, you should remove that link via nspluginwrapper. For options and syntax, nspluginwrapper --help

Ah, I see. The output is:

/usr/lib/browser-plugins/npwrapper.libflashplayer.so Original plugin: /usr/lib/firefox/plugins/libflashplayer.so Wrapper version string: 0.9.91.6-Pre (20071225)

So it comes from there. But my system is fully 32 bits (cpu and software).

Curiously, the info for the nspluginwrapper rpm (regardless of the 20071225 string in the version, it was installed on Sep 2008) says it is designed for Netscape 4.0, not Mozilla:

Summary : Compatibility Layer for Netscape 4 Plug-Ins Description : nspluginwrapper is an Open Source compatibility plugin for Netscape 4 (NPAPI) plugins. It enables you to use plugins on platforms they were not built for. For example, you can use the plugins compiled for i386 in Mozilla on Linux/x86_64 or other architectures. This package consists of:

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nspluginwrapper consists in a proxy plugin and a viewer for NPAPI compatible plugins. It makes it possible to use 32-bit x86 plugins like Adobe Flash Player on other platforms like Linux/x86_64, *BSD and even Linux/ppc.

If its purpose is to use plugins for 32 bits arch in a 64 bits system, and my system is fully 32 bits, I wonder why I have that installed :-?

-- Cheers, Carlos E. R.

I'm running x86_64 and I haven't got it, but I do have nspluginwrapper installed on my system. Regards Dave P -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Monday February 23 2009, Stan Goodman wrote:

At 00:49:17 on Tuesday Tuesday 24 February 2009, Randall R Schulz

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On Monday February 23 2009, Stan Goodman wrote:

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Although I can see other graphics and videos on the CNN website, I can't see these. What comes up is a blank rectangle where the pictures should be. Is this the experience of others too? Can someone offer an explanation for tis?

In order for us to be (more) certain we're looking at the same images you are (trying to), it would be good if you gave a URL to the page in question.

What is there now is: http://www.cnn.com/2009/TECH/space/02/17/space.spotlight/index.html

The main image on that page is a Flash animation. Do you have the requisite plug-in installed? Do you have any Flash blocking add-ons installed? Magnetars are pretty awesome, aren't they?

-- Stan Goodman

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At 11:22:38 on Tuesday Tuesday 24 February 2009, Tim Hempstead wrote:

Whilst its the CNN site on cnn.com domain I don't get any images on the link given above unless NoScript is also allowing turner.com I suggest you try allowing that or viewing the page with all "blocking" browser extensions temporarily turned off and see what happens.

turner.com is allowed here permanently by NoScript. But, as I reported in an earlier post, although reinstalling the new plugin release claims that it is already installed, about:plugins shows the old release. I think this is my fault, and the result of a particularly stupid misstep: Before thinking, I elected to install directly from the rpm option, without (as the clear instructions specify) downloading it and installing manually from a terminal. That meant that the browser was loaded -- installing as per instructions would have brought up a helpful dialog telling me to unload the browser first. What can I say? My brain was in neutral. My remaining logical faculties tell me to delete the existing Flash plugin, and start from scratch, but I see no way to do this. I have also viewed about:config, searching for the string "flash", but this brings up several lines related to this plugin, and anyway doesn't seem to provide a way to delete. -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

At 01:43:27 on Tuesday Tuesday 24 February 2009, Kai Ponte wrote:

Stan Goodman wrote:

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Although I can see other graphics and videos on the CNN website, I can't see these. What comes up is a blank rectangle where the pictures should be. Is this the experience of others too? Can someone offer an explanation for tis?

Like this?

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/tech/2009/02/08/finnstrom.space.x.blas ts.off.cnn?iref=videosearch

I can see this video. But I can't see the space pictures. -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

At 02:05:24 on Tuesday Tuesday 24 February 2009, Allen Zhu wrote:

On 2/23/09, Stan Goodman wrote:

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At 01:43:27 on Tuesday Tuesday 24 February 2009, Kai Ponte

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Stan Goodman wrote:

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Although I can see other graphics and videos on the CNN website, I can't see these. What comes up is a blank rectangle where the pictures should be. Is this the experience of others too? Can someone offer an explanation for tis?

Like this?

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/tech/2009/02/08/finnstrom.space.x. blas ts.off.cnn?iref=videosearch

I can see this video. But I can't see the space pictures.

-- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Kai, that page displays completely without anything blank on mine's. I'm using Firefox 3.0.6.

I think you need to update your Flash Player. The latest version is 10. something that I don't remember from http://adobe.com/go/getflashplayer.

Shockwave Flash v9.0.r1.52 isn't even the latest in v9. series, the latest 9 series is v9.0.124.

Try updating and see if it works.

Well, I've updated. After reloading the browser (Firefox v3.0.5), About plugins still shows that Flash is v9.0..r1.52. A second attempt to install the new release got the news that v10.0.15.3 is already installed. -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

At 12:40:24 on Tuesday Tuesday 24 February 2009, Dave Plater wrote:

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I think you need to update your Flash Player. The latest version is 10. something that I don't remember from http://adobe.com/go/getflashplayer.

Shockwave Flash v9.0.r1.52 isn't even the latest in v9. series, the latest 9 series is v9.0.124.

Try updating and see if it works.    

Well, I've updated. After reloading the browser (Firefox v3.0.5), About plugins still shows that Flash is v9.0..r1.52. A second attempt to install the new release got the news that  v10.0.15.3 is already installed.

 

I have Firefox 3.0.6 , flash-player-10.0.12.36-4.4, pullin-flash-player-11.1-1.1 and  libflashsupport-1.2-4.37 I also have noscript but I removed flashblock when I installed noscript because of a problem, I can't remember what it was, and the page works fine after clicking temporarily allow this page. Maybe flashblock is the problem. Regards Dave P

Since others all seem to be using Firefox v3.0.6, I updated the browser, and VOILÀ, there are the Space Pictures. I think this is not an effect of the new browser release, but a side-effect, by somehow cleaning up the spoiled update of the plugin (about:plugins still shows flash v9.0.r1.52). I tried then to repeat the plugin update, but doing it correctly this time. Reloading FF and revisiting the Space Pictures brought me the familiar blank page. But re-updating FF did the cleanup again, seeming to verify my assumption above. So the flash plugin, whatever it is in terms of version, is adequate to see this page, but I am in a Catch-22 because updating to v10.0.15.3 is impossible. So I am asking for advice on how to delete the flash plugin altogether, so that a proper installation can be made from scratch. -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

At 16:03:01 on Tuesday Tuesday 24 February 2009, Dave Plater wrote:

Try installing the packages in the non-oss repository, I tried the non suse plugin a while back and it didn't work but the suse ones did. Regards

This sounds like a good idea, until you try to do it. YaST shows two lines that seem pertinent (both of them checked, so they are installed on the system): flash-play (Macromedia Flash Plug-in) 9.0.152.0-0.1-i586 (same) flash-plugin (Adobe Flash Player 10.0) Installed version 10.0.15.3-release-i386 Not available for installation Remembering that about:plugins shows yet a third flash version (9.0.r152), this is all very confusing. -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

At 18:35:09 on Tuesday Tuesday 24 February 2009, Randall R Schulz wrote:

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flash-play (Macromedia Flash Plug-in) 9.0.152.0-0.1-i586 (same)

flash-plugin (Adobe Flash Player 10.0) Installed version 10.0.15.3-release-i386 Not available for installation

This is approximately the version I'm running (specifically, I have 10.0.15.3-1.1 for i586) and mine came from the update repository ("repo-update"). It was updated from the original 10.0.12 from the non-OSS repository, "repo-non-oss".

Which repositories are listed as supplying each of the versions you're seeing in YaST? (It's shown in the Versions tab when the package is selected in the package list display.)

The 9.0.152 file is from openSUSE-10.3 Updates. For the 10.0 file, the places for repository and URL are blank (a good reason for "Not available for installation"). But then, it isn't clear why YaST claims that this is the installed version.

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Remembering that about:plugins shows yet a third flash version (9.0.r152), this is all very confusing.

This is the same version as the one you excerpted from the YaST display above, except that it includes only the version information and omits the build identification.

Clear. So the installed version is the 9.0.152, the 10.0 "offered" by YaST is unavailable, and the one I got from Adobe won't install. What, if at all, is the way out? -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

At 20:29:23 on Tuesday Tuesday 24 February 2009, Philipp Thomas wrote:

* Stan Goodman (stan.goodman@hashkedim.com) [20090224 14:10]:

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So the flash plugin, whatever it is in terms of version, is adequate to see this page, but I am in a Catch-22 because updating to v10.0.15.3 is impossible. So I am asking for advice on how to delete the flash plugin altogether, so that a proper installation can be made from scratch.

Where do the Firefox and the flash plugin rpms come from?

Philipp

Firefox v3.0.6-1.4 x86_64 is at http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/mozilla/openSUSE_10.3/ But in fact it didn't install, and FF is still v3.0.5. I don't understand why going through the motions twice had an effect on whether the CNN page was or was not rendered. The location of the Macromedia Flash v9.0.152 i586 plugin is http://download.opensuse.org/update/10.3 The location of the Adobe Flash v10.0.153 is not given, which makes it hard to understand why YaST finds it, lists it, and checks the box opposite the name of this file. -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

At 21:41:02 on Tuesday Tuesday 24 February 2009, Randall R Schulz wrote:

On Tuesday February 24 2009, Stan Goodman wrote:

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Where do the Firefox and the flash plugin rpms come from?

Philipp

Firefox v3.0.6-1.4 x86_64 is at http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/mozilla/openSUSE_10.3/ But in fact it didn't install, and FF is still v3.0.5. I don't understand why going through the motions twice had an effect on whether the CNN page was or was not rendered.

The location of the Macromedia Flash v9.0.152 i586 plugin is http://download.opensuse.org/update/10.3

The location of the Adobe Flash v10.0.153 is not given, which makes it hard to understand why YaST finds it, lists it, and checks the box opposite the name of this file.

Is it possible the repository from which it was originally obtained was removed from the set of repositories you have configured?

The configured/enabled repositories now are" Packman openSUSE_10.3 Main Repository (Non-OSS) openSUSE-10.3-Updates Main Repository (OSS) Where else could it be?

Also, if you install RPMs manually, they show up in YaST, but naturally have no associated repository. You said you'd attempted unsuccessfully to install an Adobe-supplied Flash version 10. Was that an RPM?

Aha! I begin to understand. The file came from the Adobe site, not from any of the repositories. Yes, it was an RPM. I think I have to return to the Adobe site, and try to reinstall the file, this time according to the instructions. -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

At 22:59:44 on Tuesday Tuesday 24 February 2009, Randall R Schulz wrote:

On Tuesday February 24 2009, Stan Goodman wrote:

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Also, if you install RPMs manually, they show up in YaST, but naturally have no associated repository. You said you'd attempted unsuccessfully to install an Adobe-supplied Flash version 10. Was that an RPM?

Aha! I begin to understand. The file came from the Adobe site, not from any of the repositories. Yes, it was an RPM.

I think I have to return to the Adobe site, and try to reinstall the file, this time according to the instructions.

As they say, "when all else fails, read the instructions."

The problem was in not connecting all the synapses between things that I knew, not (in this case) in lacking information that I would have got had I read more. That's the meaning of the "Aha". In the hope that all will now go smoothly (those are Famous Last Words), I can thank all who pitched in. My thanks to the group.

Remember the beauty of RPMs is that when you remove them, things are generally as if they'd never been installed in the first place. That's not literally true in all cases. E.g., sometimes configuration files (especially if they were locally customized while the package was installed) will be left behind.

And if dependent packages were installed as an implicit part of installing an explicitly requested package (YaST does this for you, and we love it for that feature), then removal will leave those other packages installed.

But for the most part, if you remove an RPM, most traces of its ever having been installed (aside from log file entries, perhaps) will be erased and you can begin again as if from scratch.

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-- Stan Goodman

RRS

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