Re: [SuSE Linux] News & e-mail reader
On Wed, 25 Nov 1998 19:22:11 -0800 (PST), Michael Johnson <hekate@intergate.bc.ca> wrote:
Well, one option ( and recognize my bias cause I'm a console guy) is to use Pine. It is both a news and mail reader, and will work well with conjunction with leafnode. I know you probably mean one that will fetch mail and news as well as read it, but to me, combining fetchmail and it's friends with leafnode and pine, is one easy way to sort of combine the _reading_ of mail and news into a single interface and one with a much lower resource footprint than that monster, Netscape.
I forgot to mention that I wanted an off-line reader. Here in the UK we have time-based call charges, so I like to be able to lgo on, download news headers while I'm retrieving mail, then log off whil I work my way through headers marking what I think might be of interest. So I never use browsers for these functions (except at work where we have permanent connections).
You might also want to try Wine and see if it works well with a version of agent. I seem to recall someone on the list saying they'd used it no problem with Agent, but don't quote me.
I've installed Wine, and can launch Agent after a fashion, but it has some funnies: trying to select options in the tab fields will remove all text and selection boxes, until I select another tab, then go back to the original one, when everything reappears! I've also not managed to connect to my ISP yet via this method, but it's early days and I'm prepared to spend time learning Linux. BTW, Wine seems only to work if the apps are on the Win partition. Is there no way I can use them on a Linux-only HD?
The thing about Linux is that you just don't have allot of monolithic apps that combine functions as much as you do on Doze.( With the exception of X-Emacs and Netscape.) There's a different philosophy. I actually prefer it this way, because one of the things I _hated_ about Windows was you had to take apps that were bloated and tried to be _do_it_all_ apps, and when you have apps that try to be so massive and cover every aspect of something ( often including 80 0.000000unctions you never use ) to me you just have a bloated, ugly, clunky, app that takes up more hd space and system resources than you'd really need it to. One of the reasons I left Doze was because of the bloated and incompetent design I felt hung over that os and it's attendant apps like a cheap suit. The slimness and specifity of most gnu apps is, IMHO, one of its nicest features.
I have to agree with you in principle, but I still think mail & news are natural bedfellows! Best wishes, -- Chris Keenan - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e
Thus spake Chris Keenan (chris@usma.demon.co.uk):
I have to agree with you in principle, but I still think mail & news are natural bedfellows!
Best wishes,
-- Chris Keenan - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e There are some options for offline reading you should consider. I believe
<this part snipped> that slrnpull converts slrn into an offline reader and there are others. There also was a reader called News Peruser which offered an offline mode which I setup running with crontabs to gather news at a specified time in the background. I have never set up slrnpull or the other alternatives but I have read the fine print. It seems pretty easy to do all considered. I have toyed with using agent since I did tech support for my ISP but I have always like the subtle differences between well written email and news applications. I dont feel that Agent does it badly; its just not my cup. I have also seen a newsreader called Newsflex I believe which offers an offline mode. I tried this once and it did not seem too hard to set up or compile. News Peruser required adding libs and other things and it never was stable on my desktop. If you go to the Linux Applications and Utilities page (somewhat or quite dated), it presents a view of how things were. I sure wish they were updating that website. It was always quite useful. I dont know the url right off since I do not visit it that much anymore. My vote now is for the rufus rpm archives. Quite cool. -- Michael Perry mperry@basin.com ------------------ - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e
On Thu, 26 Nov 1998 16:17:12 -0800, you wrote:
I have also seen a newsreader called Newsflex I believe which offers an offline mode. I tried this once and it did not seem too hard to set up or compile.
Actually, I had just come across NewsFleX and downloaded it. I've unpacked it, and I can launch it, but there is some problem about not being able to find a certain file which then forces it to abort. I haven't had time to invetsigate further, but it looks promising. Thanks to all who followed up; it's certainly given food for thought! Best wishes to all, -- Chris Keenan - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e
On Thu, 26 Nov 1998, Chris Keenan wrote:
On Wed, 25 Nov 1998 19:22:11 -0800 (PST), Michael Johnson <hekate@intergate.bc.ca> wrote: I forgot to mention that I wanted an off-line reader. Here in the UK we have time-based call charges, so I like to be able to lgo on, download news headers while I'm retrieving mail, then log off whil I work my way through headers marking what I think might be of interest. Actually leafnode works fine for that purpose ; as an offline mail reader. It retrieves groups and then you can read them offline with your favorite news reader, be it slrn, pine, tin, or whatever. You don't have to be online, for instance, to read news groups in Pine. You'd basically go online, run fetch to retrieve newsgroups, sign off, and fire up your newsclient to read your news downloads.
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On Thu, 26 Nov 1998, Chris Keenan wrote:
I forgot to mention that I wanted an off-line reader. Here in the UK we have time-based call charges, so I like to be able to lgo on, download news headers while I'm retrieving mail, then log off whil I work my way through headers marking what I think might be of interest. So I never use browsers for these functions (except at work where we have permanent connections).
Just about anything can be used offline if you set up a local newsserver on your own machine. CNews and INN both come with SuSE. I use INN and fetch my articles with slurp, although there are other choices of programs to fetch news as well - suck, which has killfile abilities, newsx etc. I use Tin to read news, configured as an NNTP reader connecting to localhost as my newsserver. I don't know of any Linux app that allows you to download headers and subsequently fetch those you mark interesting, although someone else might, but in practice I find downloading everything in my subscribed groups and selecting which I read offline quicker, but I'm only subscribed to 20-odd groups fetching about 1000 articles a day. Very rarely does my online time to download news exceed the BT minimum call charge. Standard disclaimers apply though (YMMV etc). Pine will handle both mail and news, although I haven't used it as a newsreader, preferring Tin which I have been using for several years. Much nicer now I'm running it in colour under Linux too :)
The thing about Linux is that you just don't have allot of monolithic apps that combine functions as much as you do on Doze.
Snip philosophy with which I entirely agree.
I have to agree with you in principle, but I still think mail & news are natural bedfellows!
There are some crossovers, but on the whole they are completely different protocols. I have to say that IMO many of the combined mail and newsreaders available under Windoze make it far to easy for users to do stupid things like posting MIME or HTML encoded articles to usenet, where they are generally unwelcome. But with Linux anyway you can have your newsreader open on one virtual screen or console, and your mailer running on another - far easier to switch between them than going in and out of various screens wihin a single combine app. Phil -- Philip Stokes Email: phil@stokes.demon.co.uk Fax: +44 (0)870 164 1242 - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e
Hi, On Fri, 27 Nov 1998, Philip Stokes wrote:
connecting to localhost as my newsserver. I don't know of any Linux app that allows you to download headers and subsequently fetch those you mark interesting, although someone else might, but in practice I find
leafnode 1.5 can do that. Ciao, Stefan - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e
Chris Keenan wrote:
I've installed Wine, and can launch Agent after a fashion, but it has some funnies: trying to select options in the tab fields will remove all text and selection boxes, until I select another tab, then go back to the original one, when everything reappears! I've also not managed to connect to my ISP yet via this method, but it's early days and I'm prepared to spend time learning Linux. BTW, Wine seems only to work if the apps are on the Win partition. Is there no way I can use them on a Linux-only HD?
I don't want to sound like a WABI salesman, but you can run Agent under WABI on an ext2 partiton. WABI is cheap too, for what functionality you get. :-) - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e
On Fri, 27 Nov 1998 16:38:54 -0500, you wrote:
I don't want to sound like a WABI salesman, but you can run Agent under WABI on an ext2 partiton. WABI is cheap too, for what functionality you get. :-)
OK, but I'm using the 32-bit Agent, so I was reluctant to go back to 16. -- Chris Keenan - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e
Chris Keenan wrote:
On Fri, 27 Nov 1998 16:38:54 -0500, you wrote:
I don't want to sound like a WABI salesman, but you can run Agent under WABI on an ext2 partiton. WABI is cheap too, for what functionality you get. :-)
OK, but I'm using the 32-bit Agent, so I was reluctant to go back to 16.
I was using the Agent 32 version before I switched to Linux. I find very little difference between the look and feel of the 16 bit version versus the 32 bit version. Just download it from Forteinc's ftp site, and your 32 bit registration number will work under the 16 bit. - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e
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