[opensuse] Starting yast without repository check?
Hello, Yast is a nice thing, but if you have enables many repositories (which is necessary if you want some multimedia stuff to work), this "thing" take a hell of a time to start, checking every single repository. It seems legitimate if you want to install, but not if you want to remove! Is there any way to tell yast to start without checking the repositories? Thierry -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Thierry de Coulon a écrit :
It seems legitimate if you want to install, but not if you want to remove!
or simply to check what is installed and where
Is there any way to tell yast to start without checking the repositories?
not I know of jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://clairedodin.voices.com/ http://www.clairedodin.com/ http://claire.dodin.net/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sunday 09 March 2008 12:45:02 pm Thierry de Coulon wrote:
Hello,
Yast is a nice thing, but if you have enables many repositories (which is necessary if you want some multimedia stuff to work), this "thing" take a hell of a time to start, checking every single repository.
It seems legitimate if you want to install, but not if you want to remove!
Is there any way to tell yast to start without checking the repositories?
Yast > Software > Software Repositories <quote> To enable or disable the repository or to change the refresh status at initialization time, select the repository in the table and use the check boxes below. <end quote> -- Jim Barnes -- Certainly the game is rigged. Don't let that stop you; if you don't bet, you can't win. -Lazarus Long -- Linux 2.6.22.17-0.1-default -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sunday 09 March 2008 10:28:14 am jim barnes wrote:
On Sunday 09 March 2008 12:45:02 pm Thierry de Coulon wrote:
Hello,
Yast is a nice thing, but if you have enables many repositories (which is necessary if you want some multimedia stuff to work), this "thing" take a hell of a time to start, checking every single repository.
It seems legitimate if you want to install, but not if you want to remove!
Is there any way to tell yast to start without checking the repositories?
Yast > Software > Software Repositories
<quote> To enable or disable the repository or to change the refresh status at initialization time, select the repository in the table and use the check boxes below. <end quote>
-- Jim Barnes -- Certainly the game is rigged. Don't let that stop you; if you don't bet, you can't win. -Lazarus Long -- Linux 2.6.22.17-0.1-default
This is an "opportunity" area. To begin with, there should be absolutely no need to download a repository when one simply ties to add / remove / edit the status or refresh mode of one in the repositories or community repositories window!! If that is done and a new right click option opens the "software" yast window with access to a single repository, say packman, then Yast would really get cool! d. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sun, Mar 9, 2008 at 3:28 PM, jim barnes
Yast > Software > Software Repositories
<quote> To enable or disable the repository or to change the refresh status at initialization time, select the repository in the table and use the check boxes below. <end quote>
Jim, my next rambling has nothing to do with your post - I respect your help. It's just a good starting point for my general objection against the way YaST software management works :) So, while the functionality exists, it is next to useless. If you disable the auto-refresh on all the repositories, there is no easy way to invoke manual refresh on all ( like it is done in smart). If you want just to see what's installed, and to delete something - it is ok. But if you want to check and upgrade if newer versions are available, you have to: 1. Go to Repositories 2. Manually select one by one each repo, and update 3. Close the Repositories module 4. Start the software management module to mark the upgrades and install. This is sooo inconvenient. That's why I keep using smart as my package manager, I add all the repositories, and then I can update only by a click of a button. I still can not find any reason why to use YaST - is there any additional benefit, which I'm not aware of? Cheers -- Svetoslav Milenov (Sunny) Even the most advanced equipment in the hands of the ignorant is just a pile of scrap. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 11 March 2008 10:37:07 am Sunny wrote:
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Jim, my next rambling has nothing to do with your post - I respect your help. It's just a good starting point for my general objection against the way YaST software management works :)
So, while the functionality exists, it is next to useless. If you disable the auto-refresh on all the repositories, there is no easy way to invoke manual refresh on all ( like it is done in smart). If you want just to see what's installed, and to delete something - it is ok. But if you want to check and upgrade if newer versions are available, you have to: 1. Go to Repositories 2. Manually select one by one each repo, and update 3. Close the Repositories module 4. Start the software management module to mark the upgrades and install.
This is sooo inconvenient.
Agreed. but there is a simple way to refresh all the repositories manually. From the command line, as root, type zypper refresh I have all the repositories, except for the update one, unchecked for refresh. I use cron entries to run zypper refresh before I get to work, at lunch, and towards the end of the day. That way I can just use Software management to delete, install, upgrade rpms without the long delay of refreshing repositories.
That's why I keep using smart as my package manager, I add all the repositories, and then I can update only by a click of a button.
I still can not find any reason why to use YaST - is there any additional benefit, which I'm not aware of?
I have used SMART in the past, but not extensively. I found it confusing and did screw up an installation using Smart (no doubt due to my error). I haven't yet done that with Yast. I use YAST because I am familiar with it and it does what I want. Mike -- Michael A. Coan Woodlawn Foundation 524 North Avenue, Suite 203 New Rochelle, NY 10801-3410 Tel 914-632-3778 Fax 914-632-5502 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Tuesday 2008-03-11 at 09:37 -0500, Sunny wrote:
I still can not find any reason why to use YaST - is there any additional benefit, which I'm not aware of?
I agree that sometimes it does some things not very reasonably. But I find it usually reliable, it doesn't break the system, and if it does, suse people may investigate it :-) - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFH1wa9tTMYHG2NR9URAqzmAJ0WP//uJixoxN/1NY9jfxV2FP2tDACdF1Xj NcO4CBMysz+epCBM9qBBsHg= =Our1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
So, while the functionality exists, it is next to useless. If you
disable the auto-refresh on all the repositories, there is no easy way to invoke manual refresh on all ( like it is done in smart). If you want just to see what's installed, and to delete something - it is ok. But if you want to check and upgrade if newer versions are available, you have to: 1. Go to Repositories 2. Manually select one by one each repo, and update 3. Close the Repositories module 4. Start the software management module to mark the upgrades and install.
This is sooo inconvenient.
Agreed. but there is a simple way to refresh all the repositories manually. From the command line, as root, type
zypper refresh
I agree 100% about the repository refresh issue - I had started another thread with exactly the same problem not so long ago and also got an advice to use command line update. For me that is ok and it really solved this issue, but there should also exist some UI way in Yast as soon it is intended to be so user friendly. I have opened a bug report here: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=369511 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 2:10 AM, Anton Moiseev
So, while the functionality exists, it is next to useless. If you
disable the auto-refresh on all the repositories, there is no easy way to invoke manual refresh on all ( like it is done in smart). If you want just to see what's installed, and to delete something - it is ok. But if you want to check and upgrade if newer versions are available, you have to: 1. Go to Repositories 2. Manually select one by one each repo, and update 3. Close the Repositories module 4. Start the software management module to mark the upgrades and install.
This is sooo inconvenient.
Agreed. but there is a simple way to refresh all the repositories manually. From the command line, as root, type
zypper refresh
I agree 100% about the repository refresh issue - I had started another thread with exactly the same problem not so long ago and also got an advice to use command line update. For me that is ok and it really solved this issue, but there should also exist some UI way in Yast as soon it is intended to be so user friendly.
I have opened a bug report here: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=369511
I have also created another bug also related to the Software Manager startup process: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=369523 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Sunday 2008-03-09 at 19:45 +0100, Thierry de Coulon wrote:
Yast is a nice thing, but if you have enables many repositories (which is necessary if you want some multimedia stuff to work), this "thing" take a hell of a time to start, checking every single repository.
I believe they are improving this for version 11.0
It seems legitimate if you want to install, but not if you want to remove!
If you know what you want to remove, simply do so without yast. Use "rpm - --erase package_name". - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFH1c+ctTMYHG2NR9URAnqsAJwPOcm28uxDP7YWkEzb8qQhtK4wWgCcDDT/ hTBOgSlUkEPKDQG6WHUYrME= =RvFG -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Carlos E. R. wrote:
The Sunday 2008-03-09 at 19:45 +0100, Thierry de Coulon wrote:
Yast is a nice thing, but if you have enables many repositories (which is necessary if you want some multimedia stuff to work), this "thing" take a hell of a time to start, checking every single repository.
I believe they are improving this for version 11.0
It seems legitimate if you want to install, but not if you want to remove!
If you know what you want to remove, simply do so without yast. Use "rpm - --erase package_name".
-- Cheers, Carlos E. R.
Hi, here is an article about speeding up Yast package management. It includes a script to do the job. It doesn't go like lightning, it is an incremental increase. http://en.opensuse.org/SDB:Speed_up_Package_Manager_Stack Regards Mark -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Monday 10 March 2008 07:26:10 pm Mark Misulich wrote: ...
Hi, here is an article about speeding up Yast package management. It includes a script to do the job. It doesn't go like lightning, it is an incremental increase.
http://en.opensuse.org/SDB:Speed_up_Package_Manager_Stack
Regards Mark
This is link to video published in another thread that shows difference in zypper used now (old zypper), and Factory zypper (new zypper), the one that will run in openSUSE 11.0: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XB3o4Skka5Q -- Regards, Rajko. See http://en.opensuse.org/Portal -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Mon, Mar 10, 2008 at 5:40 PM, Rajko M.
On Monday 10 March 2008 07:26:10 pm Mark Misulich wrote: ...
Hi, here is an article about speeding up Yast package management. It includes a script to do the job. It doesn't go like lightning, it is an incremental increase.
http://en.opensuse.org/SDB:Speed_up_Package_Manager_Stack
Regards Mark
This is link to video published in another thread that shows difference in zypper used now (old zypper), and Factory zypper (new zypper), the one that will run in openSUSE 11.0: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XB3o4Skka5Q
But the video was not representative of how long the old zypper actually takes, and the new zypper looked like not much of an improvement. My Zypper takes, 30 seconds just to do anything. -- ----------JSA--------- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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Anton Moiseev -
Carlos E. R. -
jdd -
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John Andersen -
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Mark Misulich -
Mike Coan -
Rajko M. -
Sunny -
Thierry de Coulon