[opensuse] Multifunction printer suggestions
I hate to ask this and run the risk of starting a long drawn-out exchange of this printers good, this one sucks, like that. But with that fear on the table...I have an Epson Stylus Photo RX600, several years old now, but dying: the info/preview screen has quit. I have no idea what it may cost to fix/replace it. I am looking to consider a new printer. Linux compatibility is highest requirement as my current model has some issues. Biggest complaint, prior to withdrawal of the preview/info screen from the land of the well-functioning: paper handling. Very picky about number of sheets and precise loading. 100 sheet capacity listed was a goal I think, not a fact. Unless carefully loaded and bowed to with humble obeisance it will run multiple sheets together until corrected with a smaller load amount, not really close to 100. For me this results in lots of re-loads after having to listen to the printer complain about running out. Multi-function with fax, copy, scan, print would be nice. I print few photos of my own, but some for others just because I can and it does well. Would consider other brands but have been desirous in the past of supporting HP and Epson because of their purported linux support. At least as compared to Canon. Ink-jet is good as I am not in laserjet cost territory. Suggestions? Even general guidance is good. I don't mind doing my homework here, but am finding the plethora of options a little daunting right off. Thanks for steering. Richard -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Richard wrote:
Suggestions? Even general guidance is good.
any hp printer should do the job. HP is very linux friendly and I always found it cheaper about ink expense (expensive cartridge, but print many sheets) jdd -- Jean-Daniel Dodin Président du CULTe www.culte.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sun, 11 May 2008 09:23:07 +0200
jdd sur free
Richard wrote:
Suggestions? Even general guidance is good.
any hp printer should do the job. HP is very linux friendly and I always found it cheaper about ink expense (expensive cartridge, but print many sheets)
I would agree. HP has a large Linux group, and not only sells Linux
servers, but also they sell Linux support directly. While the printer
division is pretty autonomous, most of their printers will work 100%
with Linux. Check linux-printing.org before you make a decision because
all vendors do have printers that don't work well on Linux.
http://www.linux-foundation.org/en/OpenPrinting
Brother is also a Linux-friendly brand.
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Jerry Feldman
Richard wrote:
I hate to ask this and run the risk of starting a long drawn-out exchange of this printers good, this one sucks, like that. But with that fear on the table...I have an Epson Stylus Photo RX600, several years old now, but dying: the info/preview screen has quit. I have no idea what it may cost to fix/replace it.
I have a Brother 5440-CN. It cost me about $125. It has both USB AND Ethernet, and Brother has FULL LINUX SUPPORT. Also, each ink color has its own individual tank, so The only hitch I had was that on a 64bit system, you have to make a link so that the driver file appears in both the 32-bit and the 64-bit lib directories. (either /lib and /lib64 or /usr/lib and /usr/lib64. I can't rememer the file name right now, but it's on the Brother's Linux FAQ's page for that printer (it's for some other distro-- ubuntu?, but search for 64-bit and you'll come across the correct info).
I am looking to consider a new printer. Linux compatibility is highest requirement as my current model has some issues. Biggest complaint, prior to withdrawal of the preview/info screen from the land of the well-functioning: paper handling. Very picky about number of sheets and precise loading. 100 sheet capacity listed was a goal I think, not a fact. Unless carefully loaded and bowed to with humble obeisance it will run multiple sheets together until corrected with a smaller load amount, not really close to 100. For me this results in lots of re-loads after having to listen to the printer complain about running out.
Multi-function with fax, copy, scan, print would be nice. I print few photos of my own, but some for others just because I can and it does well. Would consider other brands but have been desirous in the past of supporting HP and Epson because of their purported linux support. At least as compared to Canon. Ink-jet is good as I am not in laserjet cost territory.
Suggestions? Even general guidance is good. I don't mind doing my homework here, but am finding the plethora of options a little daunting right off.
Thanks for steering.
Richard
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I've personally own 2 of the low end Brothers ($150 or so they cost)
-- mainly for scanning B&W documents faxing and light color printing.
They work very will with Linux with both the printer driver and SANE
drivers (even the ADF works when the application is aware of multipage
scanning e.g. gscan2pdf) are provided as RPM packages that are very
easy to setup. I'd assume the more expensive units have much better
print and scan quality -- not that the MFC-465CN and MFC-5460 are bad
units... they just don't do the best, or fastest, high-res scans and
color printing. They also have great support for MacOS. Also if you
look on eBay you can find the inks for a very good price.
There is also supposed to be support for the HP devices, but I've
never tried them. My concern with HP is that their Windows drivers are
generally bloated and utter crap. While the focus hear is Linux many
of us have to use Windows or are sharing the device with Windows users
and supporting them is a great concern. I've never had a Brother issue
with the Windows drivers. Never had to reinstall one, troubleshoot it,
etc. It just worked. On the other hand with HP I've had nightmares
with them. This year's models and models from 2003 and everything in
between. They are all problematic. They do not adhere to any Windows
standard, e.g. they don't use the standard USB printing system,
instead HP has their own they wrote. You can not manually install the
drivers in Windows (using the INF files)... instead you have to
install the full 300mb "suite" of crap just to scan and print. No
thank you but I don't need the ink Nazi to remind me that my black is
20% or that I should buy the new ink from www.hp.com. They constantly
have connection issues, need the drivers reinstalled, etc, to fix that
sort of issue. I make money fixing them for people but I'd rather not
have to deal with it, they are a headache. What surprises me the most
is after so many years they still can't get it right.
On Sun, May 11, 2008 at 3:07 AM, Richard
I hate to ask this and run the risk of starting a long drawn-out exchange of this printers good, this one sucks, like that. But with that fear on the table...I have an Epson Stylus Photo RX600, several years old now, but dying: the info/preview screen has quit. I have no idea what it may cost to fix/replace it. I am looking to consider a new printer. Linux compatibility is highest requirement as my current model has some issues. Biggest complaint, prior to withdrawal of the preview/info screen from the land of the well-functioning: paper handling. Very picky about number of sheets and precise loading. 100 sheet capacity listed was a goal I think, not a fact. Unless carefully loaded and bowed to with humble obeisance it will run multiple sheets together until corrected with a smaller load amount, not really close to 100. For me this results in lots of re-loads after having to listen to the printer complain about running out.
Multi-function with fax, copy, scan, print would be nice. I print few photos of my own, but some for others just because I can and it does well. Would consider other brands but have been desirous in the past of supporting HP and Epson because of their purported linux support. At least as compared to Canon. Ink-jet is good as I am not in laserjet cost territory.
Suggestions? Even general guidance is good. I don't mind doing my homework here, but am finding the plethora of options a little daunting right off.
Thanks for steering.
Richard -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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Sorry Richard, forgot to send to the list.. :) Richard wrote:
I hate to ask this and run the risk of starting a long drawn-out exchange of this printers good, this one sucks, like that. But with that fear on the table...I have an Epson Stylus Photo RX600, several years old now, but dying: the info/preview screen has quit. I have no idea what it may cost to fix/replace it. I am looking to consider a new printer. Linux compatibility is highest requirement as my current model has some issues. Biggest complaint, prior to withdrawal of the preview/info screen from the land of the well-functioning: paper handling. Very picky about number of sheets and precise loading. 100 sheet capacity listed was a goal I think, not a fact. Unless carefully loaded and bowed to with humble obeisance it will run multiple sheets together until corrected with a smaller load amount, not really close to 100. For me this results in lots of re-loads after having to listen to the printer complain about running out.
Multi-function with fax, copy, scan, print would be nice. I print few photos of my own, but some for others just because I can and it does well. Would consider other brands but have been desirous in the past of supporting HP and Epson because of their purported linux support. At least as compared to Canon. Ink-jet is good as I am not in laserjet cost territory.
Suggestions? Even general guidance is good. I don't mind doing my homework here, but am finding the plethora of options a little daunting right off.
Thanks for steering.
You might try http://en.opensuse.org/SDB:Purchasing_a_Printer_and_Compatibility http://en.opensuse.org/HCL http://www.linuxprinting.org/ Hope that helps Hylton -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 05/11/2008 03:07 PM, Richard wrote:
Multi-function with fax, copy, scan, print would be nice. I print few photos of my own, but some for others just because I can and it does well. Would consider other brands but have been desirous in the past of supporting HP and Epson because of their purported linux support. At least as compared to Canon. Ink-jet is good as I am not in laserjet cost territory.
I would highly recommend an HP Officejet 5600. It faxes, copies, prints and scans, is pretty reasonably priced, and installs in seconds with hplip (the HP linux imaging and printing driver). It has worked very well for me. -- Joe Morris Registered Linux user 231871 running openSUSE 10.3 x86_64 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sunday 11 May 2008 03:07, Richard wrote:
I hate to ask this and run the risk of starting a long drawn-out exchange of this printers good, this one sucks, like that. But with that fear on the table...I have an Epson Stylus Photo RX600, several years old now, but dying: the info/preview screen has quit. I have no idea what it may cost to fix/replace it. /snip/ Multi-function with fax, copy, scan, print would be nice. I print few photos of my own, but some for others just because I can and it does well. Would consider other brands but have been desirous in the past of supporting HP and Epson because of their purported linux support. At least as compared to Canon. Ink-jet is good as I am not in laserjet cost territory. /snip/
Laserjets have come down a lot in price. However, HP _does_ make Windows printers, and I wound up giving one away because of this. OTOH, the Deskjet 970CXI, a color printer, does work with Linux, even version 9.3. The "office" Laserjet 2200D worked with Linux 10.0, but does not work with 9.3. Watch out for devices that are made to print and scan--usually they will only scan single sheets, not books. If you really don't care about printing color, you will save money in the long run with a laser printer. Those color cartridges really cost! --doug Blessed are the peacemakers ... for they shall be shot at from both sides. --A.M. Greeley -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sun, 11 May 2008 14:42:03 -0400
Doug McGarrett
Watch out for devices that are made to print and scan--usually they will only scan single sheets, not books.
There are many options. You can get a low-end Fax/Print/Scan that comes
with a built-in sheet feeder for scanning, or you can get one with a
platform that does not have a sheet feeder, and you can get them with
sheet feeders. My wife has an HP PSC2210 that works very well, it has a
scanner, can scan books and stuff, but does not have a sheet feeder.
This is not a problem for us because we never have much more than 1 or
2 pages to scan or fax.
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Hello, On May 11 00:07 Richard wrote (shortened):
I am looking to consider a new printer. ... Multi-function with fax, copy, scan, print would be nice.
In gereneral see http://en.opensuse.org/SDB:Purchasing_a_Printer_and_Compatibility http://www.linux-foundation.org/en/OpenPrinting/Database/SuggestedPrinters http://www.linux-foundation.org/en/OpenPrinting/Database/LinuxSupportByPrint... Regarding HP: HP is currently the only manufacturer who provides a free software driver package for printers and all-in-one devices which we provide since a very long time in Suse Linux and openSUSE, see http://hplip.sourceforge.net/ Carefully check http://hplip.sourceforge.net/supported_devices/index.html in particular http://hplip.sourceforge.net/supported_devices/unsupported.html It is crucial to have exact model names because small differences in model names can make big differences regarding support status. E.g. LaserJet 1018 and 1020 are only supported by newest HPLIP and require a proprietary binary-only plug in, see https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=342704 but LaserJet 1015 and 1022 are supported even by old HPLIP and Color LaserJet 2600 is not supported by newest HPLIP but Color LaserJet 2500 is supported even by old HPLIP and Color LaserJet 2605 is PostScript and doesn't require HPLIP at all. Similar with scanners: HP stand-alone scanners are not very well supported, see http://www.sane-project.org/cgi-bin/driver.pl?manu=hp in contrast to scanners in HP all-in-one devices, see http://hplip.sourceforge.net/supported_devices/index.html Similar with network devices: Third-party printserver boxes usually support only simple unidirectional data transfer from the PC to the printer. Therefore plain printing usually works - but even for plain printing there is no guarantee, see for example https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=217215 Usually nothing else (e.g. scanning, sending faxes) works with non-HP printserver boxes. Best network support can be expected when there is a HP built-in network card which matches exactly to the model i.e. where HP offers the model with a built-in network card out-of-the-box and when the technical data sheet of HP claims network support for Unix-like operating systems. See the info at HP: http://hplip.sourceforge.net/supported_devices/combined.html 1): Network support indicates built-in ethernet and/or wireless networking. Alternatively, many devices may be operated on the network using an external JetDirect print server. Not all network configurations are supported. Please refer to the HPLIP FAQs for more information. http://hplip.sourceforge.net/faqs.html Question: What network print servers are supported? Answer: Currently we have only tested HP JetDirect devices with HPLIP. No other network print servers are supported. Kind Regards Johannes Meixner -- SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Maxfeldstrasse 5, 90409 Nuernberg, Germany AG Nuernberg, HRB 16746, GF: Markus Rex -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sunday 11 May 2008 00:07, Richard wrote:
I hate to ask this and run the risk of starting a long drawn-out exchange of this printers good, this one sucks, like that. But with that fear on the table...
I previously owned a LaserJet 1320, which I loved. I now have a 2015dn. The 1320 was USB only while the 2015dn is USB and Ethernet. Both have duplex printing, which is an absolute must for me (if it matters to you, be sure you don't get a printer whose "support" for duplex printing requires you to feed the sheets twice, once for each side). The 1320 had PostScript level 1 and 2 while the 2015dn has 1, 2 and 3. The 2015 prints somewhat faster and it's a bit louder (and it seems to produce more ozone). They're both EnergyStar, of course. They both have a good variety of paper path options and 250-sheet capacity main trays (which you need to know are "tray 2" in both cases—tray 1 is the manual sheet / envelope / label feeder). There's a straight-through paper path for card- and label-stock. I can't recall exactly how much I spent on the 1320 (a couple hundred, I think, at Fry's), but the 2015dn was $400 from Amazon.com. There's currently a $175 manufacturers rebate on this model. As far as I've been to determine, only the 1320 accommodates a high-capacity toner cartridge (the -X variant, the usual being -A). They do not use the same toner cartridge. Both accommodate a variety of paper sizes, including A4, US letter and US legal. On my SuSE Linux 10.0 system I had to copy the 2015 PPD from my 10.3 system, since the older distribution didn't include one. The printer itself is currently attached to the 10.3 system via USB and is available for network printing from all the systems in my house via the CUPS server (I did that 'cause some of my computers are behind a firewall and this was the simpler setup to achieve). I didn't answer earlier 'cause you asked about multi-function devices, and these are strictly printers, but they are so good I had to write.
Richard
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On Tuesday 13 May 2008 07:07, Randall R Schulz wrote:
On Sunday 11 May 2008 00:07, Richard wrote:
I hate to ask this and run the risk of starting a long drawn-out exchange of this printers good, this one sucks, like that. But with that fear on the table...
... As far as I've been to determine, only the 1320 accommodates a high-capacity toner cartridge (the -X variant, the usual being -A). They do not use the same toner cartridge. Both accommodate a variety of paper sizes, including A4, US letter and US legal.
According to http://openprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=HP-Laserjet_P2015dn, there are both 3000-sheet and 7000-sheet capacity toner cartridges for the 2015dn. However, I distinctly recall checking the little flip-book that HP publishes for stores to display so customers can pick the right toner (or ink) cartridges at the store. It did not list an X variant. On the other hand, judging from the A cartridge supplied with the printer, there does appear to be room for a larger X cartridge. Also, I should also mention that I find the print quality outstanding. Randall Schulz -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Randall R Schulz wrote:
On Tuesday 13 May 2008 07:07, Randall R Schulz wrote:
On Sunday 11 May 2008 00:07, Richard wrote:
I hate to ask this and run the risk of starting a long drawn-out exchange of this printers good, this one sucks, like that. But with that fear on the table... ... As far as I've been to determine, only the 1320 accommodates a high-capacity toner cartridge (the -X variant, the usual being -A). They do not use the same toner cartridge. Both accommodate a variety of paper sizes, including A4, US letter and US legal.
According to http://openprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=HP-Laserjet_P2015dn, there are both 3000-sheet and 7000-sheet capacity toner cartridges for the 2015dn. However, I distinctly recall checking the little flip-book that HP publishes for stores to display so customers can pick the right toner (or ink) cartridges at the store. It did not list an X variant. On the other hand, judging from the A cartridge supplied with the printer, there does appear to be room for a larger X cartridge.
According to the horse's mouth, there is: http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/uk/en/ho/WF13a/5043-5343-5347-5347-12735598-12735650.html?jumpid=oc_R1002_UKENC-002_HP%20LaserJet%20P2015dn%20Printer&lang=en&cc=uk Cheers, Dave -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 13 May 2008 07:57, Dave Howorth wrote:
Randall R Schulz wrote:
On Tuesday 13 May 2008 07:07, Randall R Schulz wrote:
On Sunday 11 May 2008 00:07, Richard wrote:
I hate to ask this and run the risk of starting a long drawn-out exchange of this printers good, this one sucks, like that. But with that fear on the table...
... As far as I've been to determine, only the 1320 accommodates a high-capacity toner cartridge (the -X variant, the usual being -A). They do not use the same toner cartridge. Both accommodate a variety of paper sizes, including A4, US letter and US legal.
According to <http://openprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=HP-Laserjet_P2015d n>, there are both 3000-sheet and 7000-sheet capacity toner cartridges for the 2015dn. ...
According to the horse's mouth, there is:
Thanks. Actually, both are the "horse's mouth." That flip-book is supplied by HP, too. So either it was out-of-date or erroneous or I just messed up when looking up the P2015dn. You don't suppose the 53X is something that's, for some reason, not available in the U.S. but is available in the U.K. (that page is for the UK)? Nope. The corresponding U.S. page is http://www.shopping.hp.com/supmodel/printing_supplies/LaserJet/HP%2BLaserJet... and it, too, lists both the 53A and 53X cartridges.
<http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/uk/en/ho/WF13a/5043-5343-5347-5347-12 735598-12735650.html?jumpid=oc_R1002_UKENC-002_HP%20LaserJet%20P2015dn %20Printer&lang=en&cc=uk>
That reminds me, the 2015 has an easy-access side panel for installing memory upgrades and its default RAM (32 MB) is twice that of the 1320. The 2015 takes notebook-style RAM cards. If the 1320's RAM is upgradeable, I don't know what form-factor it takes.
Cheers, Dave
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