On Sun, 10 Sep 2000, Ben Rosenberg wrote: br> Yep, I would go with imap and I would setup an internal irc server br> that people could connect to. Windows people could use mIRC and br> Linux people could use everything from xchat to ircII..this would be br> the best solution because AIM and ICQ are HUGE security risks...the br> packets are easy to sniff and going through external servers is just br> silly. :) br> Thought as much with the imap. Didn't think of IRC, but I'm not sure that's what I'm looking for, multiple users would have to be logged on to benefit from it and that would probably interfere with work. Whereas with a local ICQ or AIM setup on the server computer (strictly internal, outside communication wouldn't occur) this would allow a user to send a quick message to another saying, "Have you put that drawing in drawings for review yet?", Have you filled out your progress report?", etc.. without haveing to pickup the phone or write an email to that person. I was looking at jabber, but as near as I can tell, it's clients are linux only, though I kinda get the impression it would support using the AIM or ICQ program to connect to it, but it doesn't actually say I can. If that's the case then that might be exactly what I'm looking for. br> --> The first is, what in your opinions is the best way to make a linux box br> -->running pine and a windows box running whatever to share the same mail br> -->folders for particular users? My guess would be imap, but I'm wondering br> -->what others may think. br> --> The second is, I'm wondering if theres a reliable aim or icq server br> -->type program available to install on a box so that I might allow users in br> -->the department to use to communicate with each other. I don't want it to br> -->be internet dependent as there are only 3 users in the department that br> -->have internet access. Any thoughts on this? br> br> -- br> Cheers, br> br> Ben Rosenberg br> mailto:ben@whack.org br> ------------------------- br> Warning to the Human Race: br> Objects in mirror are dumber than they appear. br> br> -- S.Toms - tomas@primenet.com - www.primenet.com/~tomas SuSE Linux v6.4+ - Kernel 2.2.16 "A witty saying proves nothing." -- Voltaire -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/support/faq

On Sun, 10 Sep 2000, S.Toms wrote:

Also, how would procmail be affected by using imap? I currently have procmail filtering and sorting all my messages to folders relating to what the email is. Now if I use imap, how would that work? Can you sort them to a remote folders or can tehy only be sorted to the local folders? That's probably the only thing that confuses me about using imap, everything else seems self explanatory.

You should have procmail running on the IMAP server not on the clients. When you use IMAP, the client should basically connect directly to the mailfolders on the server and let you read them from there. Regards Ole -- Windows: Where do you want to go today? MacOS: Where do you want to be tomorrow? Linux: Are you coming or what? -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/support/faq

On Mon, 11 Sep 2000, S.Toms wrote: st> On Mon, 11 Sep 2000 okh-linux@post.cybercity.dk wrote: st> st> ol> On Sun, 10 Sep 2000, S.Toms wrote: st> ol> > Also, how would procmail be affected by using imap? I currently have st> ol> > procmail filtering and sorting all my messages to folders relating to what st> ol> > the email is. Now if I use imap, how would that work? Can you sort them to st> ol> > a remote folders or can tehy only be sorted to the local folders? st> ol> > That's probably the only thing that confuses me about using imap, st> ol> > everything else seems self explanatory. st> ol> st> ol> You should have procmail running on the IMAP server not on the clients. st> ol> st> st> I have one box that is my samba/file/print/mail server which my st> workstations connect to. On this box, for example, I have in my personal st> folder all my procmail routines, when the mail is received, procmail is st> filtering them to the various locations I call out within my procmail st> routines. I guess what I'm wondering is, does imap recognize the st> /home/user/mail locations or will it only recognize the /var/spool/mail st> locations the way pop does. st> Let me clarify that a bit, I realized I messed up just after I read my own post. What I'm not sure about is the Inbox folder itself. I have the /var/spool/mail/user Inbox folder and another Inbox folder in my /home/user/mail folder, ie: /home/skull/mail/Inbox which is where procmail deposits all the mail received in the /var/spool/mail/user folder that didn't get rerouted to a special folder via procmail. Can I continue to use my /home Inbox as the Inbox, or should I switch back to the /var/spool/mail/user folder as the Inbox? Hope thats not too confusing. st> ol> When you use IMAP, the client should basically connect directly to the st> ol> mailfolders on the server and let you read them from there. st> ol> st> ol> Regards st> ol> st> ol> Ole st> ol> st> ol> st> st> -- S.Toms - tomas@primenet.com - www.primenet.com/~tomas SuSE Linux v6.4+ - Kernel 2.2.16 Old programmers never die. They just branch to a new address. -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/support/faq

On Wed, 13 Sep 2000 okh-linux@post.cybercity.dk wrote: o> On Mon, 11 Sep 2000, S.Toms wrote: o> o> Why don't you just try it out and see how it works? o> IMAP does not remove the mail from the server unless you o> specifically tell it to, so the only risk will be the time o> you might lose if it doesn't work out. o> I finally ended up doing just that, I had to do away with the Inbox I had in my mail folder and use the system Inbox, guess I can live with that. I just redirected my procmail routines to use the default MAILDIR variable. Been running fine now since last we talked about this. Thanks for all the input everyone, really aprpeciate it. o> Regards o> o> Ole o> o> -- S.Toms - tomas@primenet.com - www.primenet.com/~tomas SuSE Linux v6.4+ - Kernel 2.2.16 Limericks are art forms complex, Their topics run chiefly to sex. They usually have virgins, And masculine urgin's, And other erotic effects. -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/support/faq

On Sun, 10 Sep 2000, S.T.Ryder wrote:

On Sun, 10 Sep 2000, S.Toms wrote:

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I have two questions, one is for my personal benefit the other is for a system I'm setting up for work. The first is, what in your opinions is the best way to make a linux box running pine and a windows box running whatever to share the same mail folders for particular users? My guess would be imap, but I'm wondering what others may think.

Assuming you are using Linux as the mail server, and it is protected by a firewall, Pine has a nice pop3 server built in.

I am sure it does not have that. Why would Pine (a mail client) have a server built in.

I do not know anything about imap, except it seems like a security risk.

What makes IMAP be a security risk, that is not also making POP3 a risk? Both protocols use cleartext logins. As long as that port is only open to local machines, I can't see the problem.

Be careful with the settings in Netscapes mail thingy!! Turn OFF the flag that deletes the mail on the server when it downloads it. Otherwise, all the users mail will disappear from (be sucked off) the Linux box when you are setting it up and testing it.

This is set by default in Netscape, so look out for it. This may be what you want, but be aware of it. You cannot read the mail from the mail server box if you have previously deleted it. Don't laugh.. I did it, and then spent a while figuring out where my mail went :)

This is exactly why IMAP is the correct choice in this situation. With IMAP, the mail is by default kept on the server, but it can be read and deleted from any IMAP client (like Netscape). How would you delete specific mails from the server if you are running POP3 without doing it at the server? Regards Ole -- Windows: Where do you want to go today? MacOS: Where do you want to be tomorrow? Linux: Are you coming or what? -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/support/faq

On Sun, 10 Sep 2000, S.T.Ryder wrote:

On Sun, 10 Sep 2000 okh-linux@post.cybercity.dk wrote:

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On Sun, 10 Sep 2000, S.T.Ryder wrote:

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On Sun, 10 Sep 2000, S.Toms wrote:

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I have two questions, one is for my personal benefit the other is for a system I'm setting up for work. The first is, what in your opinions is the best way to make a linux box running pine and a windows box running whatever to share the same mail folders for particular users? My guess would be imap, but I'm wondering what others may think.

Assuming you are using Linux as the mail server, and it is protected by a firewall, Pine has a nice pop3 server built in.

I am sure it does not have that. Why would Pine (a mail client) have a server built in.

It does.. I'm using it :)

I think there is a bit of miscommunication here. You piqued my curiosity so I did a little research since I use Pine myself. Nowhere does the Pine documentation say that it has a server built in, though it has POP and IMAP clients built in if you need them.

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I do not know anything about imap, except it seems like a security risk.

What makes IMAP be a security risk, that is not also making POP3 a risk? Both protocols use cleartext logins. As long as that port is only open to local machines, I can't see the problem.

True. See above where I mentioned behind a firewall. Also, I said I did not know anything about IMAP. However I constantly get probed on port 143.

I rarely get probed on port 143 but it doesn't matter anyway. A POP3 or IMAP server have similar security risks and the biggest issue is in the particular implementation of each, not in general.

I don't want to take chances.. just my opinion.

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Be careful with the settings in Netscapes mail thingy!! Turn OFF the flag that deletes the mail on the server when it downloads it. Otherwise, all the users mail will disappear from (be sucked off) the Linux box when you are setting it up and testing it.

This is set by default in Netscape, so look out for it. This may be what you want, but be aware of it. You cannot read the mail from the mail server box if you have previously deleted it. Don't laugh.. I did it, and then spent a while figuring out where my mail went :)

This is exactly why IMAP is the correct choice in this situation. With IMAP, the mail is by default kept on the server, but it can be read and deleted from any IMAP client (like Netscape).

How would you delete specific mails from the server if you are running POP3 without doing it at the server?

You set a flag in Netscape.. It deletes it.. honest :) I do it all the time.

That's the only thing you can do with Netscape and OL Express. You can either leave the messages or not. Can you delete one message from the server and leave the rest? Also, you cannot create folders and such with them on a POP3 server, you need IMAP to do this.

If you set a flag in Outlook Express it will do the same thing. And once the mail is downloaded to a particular machine, you cannot read it from a another machine.

That's only a tiny part of what you can do with IMAP. Greg -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/support/faq

On Sun, 10 Sep 2000, S.T.Ryder wrote:

This comes straight out of my inetd.conf file on Slackware 7.1 I presumed Patrick Volkerding knew what he was talking about. Maybe he blurred the lines a little- I just did not question it.

As I said, there is a miscommunication here. From the Pine FAQ: "Pine is a "mail user agent" (MUA), which is a program that allows you to compose and read messages using Internet mail standards." Nothing more or less.

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" #pop3 stream tcp nowait root /usr/sbin/tcpd gnu-pop3d # The ipop3d POP3 server is part of the pine distribution. If you've # installed the pine package, you may wish to switch to ipop3d by # commenting out the pop3 line above, and uncommenting the pop3d line # below. #pop3 stream tcp nowait root /usr/sbin/tcpd ipop3d" <---* this line **

ipop3d is part of UW's IMAP, not of PINE. It looks like it is bundled in one package with Slackware.

I did this on my SuSE 6.4 box. I dont run fetchmail or imap ( I dont personally need them). I can now get mail from my mail server from any other machine on my network. Yes, you can delete one message and leave the rest.

You're essentially using IMAP if you're using ipop3d. Greg -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/support/faq

On Mon, 11 Sep 2000, S.T.Ryder wrote:

On Sun, 10 Sep 2000, Greg Thomas wrote:

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ipop3d is part of UW's IMAP, not of PINE. It looks like it is bundled in one package with Slackware.

You're essentially using IMAP if you're using ipop3d.

You are probably right as I am definitely no expert.

I have pine-4.21-49 and pop-2000.3.4-2 installed on my SuSE 6.4. I have no IMAP package from UW (as far as I know).

If you are talking Slackware then these are all just packaged and named differently than the other distros. With SuSE, Pine is just Pine.

The description on Pine says it comes with Addressbook, MIME, IMAP4 and LDAP.

The description for pop says it comes with a POP3 and an IMAP server.

The "whatever" I use runs on port 110, services says it is pop3.

I have IMAP shut down in inetd.conf and port 143 blocked by the firewall. And I thought Imap4 and pop3 were two different services.

Now I'm really confused.. but the instructions Mr Volkerding gave do work, and are very easy to set-up and use on a local network.

I wouldn't be too confused. You are running POP3 but I believe ipop3d has IMAP-like extensions. Greg -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/support/faq