[opensuse] a boot problem question
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This is something for the elder population of you and requires some historical knowledge. I have the following setup: a 939 Athlon AMD 64 board with one HDD IDE 250GB set to master one HDD SATA 300 GB Seagate one HDD SATA WD 250 The chip-set is actually a 939DualVsta from Asrock (verrrry old with mixed AGP/PCI-e chipset) On the HDD IDE I did install Tumbleweed. During this installation I left all other disks detached. Now that works well, boots well, no problem. On the second HDD (SATA) I did install the new (and btw beautiful!) beta. With the IDE attached. This installs well. When I did install it, it offered to install the boot manager to /sdb1 (that is SATA). I agreed and thought: afterwards it will boot by IDE in sda1 so I would join the second entry in grub of tumbleweed. When booting it boots well in tumbleweed. The I did os-prober. First surprise: does not see anything. No other OS. Now, I tried to tell him boot from sda1 and as second choice I did put "boot from custom" and there I did set sdb1. Now tumbleweed said there was a problem installing the boot loader. It now blocks after the titel grub, after boot. So I went to the bios and told the PC boot SATA sdb1 as first device. This works well, in fact I am writing from the beta. When I go to the console and do su-, then os-prober..........it sees nothing, no second OS! Now the question for amateurs of archeology. It is possible to do a dual boot with two OS in THIS config? OR is it intrinsically impossible to boot a machine in dual boot with IDE and SATA on the same machine. I do already not understand why the prober does not see the other OS?? Thank you for any tip on how I could achieve this (it is that I feel it to be a waste to through away a working IDE disk only because technology has changed. --- Alle Postfächer an einem Ort. Jetzt wechseln und E-Mail-Adresse mitnehmen! http://email.freenet.de/basic/Informationen -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
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On 26/09/15 14:28, stakanov@freenet.de wrote:
This is something for the elder population of you and requires some historical knowledge.
I have the following setup: a 939 Athlon AMD 64 board with one HDD IDE 250GB set to master one HDD SATA 300 GB Seagate one HDD SATA WD 250 The chip-set is actually a 939DualVsta from Asrock (verrrry old with mixed AGP/PCI-e chipset) On the HDD IDE I did install Tumbleweed. During this installation I left all other disks detached. Now that works well, boots well, no problem. On the second HDD (SATA) I did install the new (and btw beautiful!) beta. With the IDE attached. This installs well. When I did install it, it offered to install the boot manager to /sdb1 (that is SATA). I agreed and thought: afterwards it will boot by IDE in sda1 so I would join the second entry in grub of tumbleweed. When booting it boots well in tumbleweed. The I did os-prober. First surprise: does not see anything. No other OS. Now, I tried to tell him boot from sda1 and as second choice I did put "boot from custom" and there I did set sdb1. Now tumbleweed said there was a problem installing the boot loader. It now blocks after the titel grub, after boot. So I went to the bios and told the PC boot SATA sdb1 as first device. This works well, in fact I am writing from the beta. When I go to the console and do su-, then os-prober..........it sees nothing, no second OS!
Now the question for amateurs of archeology. It is possible to do a dual boot with two OS in THIS config? OR is it intrinsically impossible to boot a machine in dual boot with IDE and SATA on the same machine. I do already not understand why the prober does not see the other OS?? Thank you for any tip on how I could achieve this (it is that I feel it to be a waste to through away a working IDE disk only because technology has changed.
I'm not totally clear from this whether your machine recognizes both the IDE and SATA disks at the same time. By that I don't mean from within either installation, but at a basic level in the BIOS or if booting with a CD for example. I've had a couple of machines with mixed IDE/SATA connections. One explictly states in the manual that you can only use one mode or the other, not both. The other had a badly translated and detailed manual and I recall having problems when I tried using both at the same time, so I assumed I'd just have to go all SATA. In fact, when repurposing the machine a year or two later I discovered it was possible, but something in the BIOS needed changing. I forget what exactly, though I think I needed to set the Primary / Secondary masters manually and not use 'Auto' mode. I've a feeling there was one other thing that also needed changing. gumb -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
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On Sat, 26 Sep 2015 14:54:03 +0200 gumb gumb wrote:
I'm not totally clear from this whether your machine recognizes both the IDE and SATA disks at the same time. By that I don't mean from within either installation, but at a basic level in the BIOS or if booting with a CD for example.
I've had a couple of machines with mixed IDE/SATA connections. One explictly states in the manual that you can only use one mode or the other, not both. The other had a badly translated and detailed manual and I recall having problems when I tried using both at the same time, so I assumed I'd just have to go all SATA. In fact, when repurposing the machine a year or two later I discovered it was possible, but something in the BIOS needed changing. I forget what exactly, though I think I needed to set the Primary / Secondary masters manually and not use 'Auto' mode. I've a feeling there was one other thing that also needed changing.
gumb
This was exactly my thinking. There are several paragraphs discussing the IDE / SATA / SATA II BIOS settings in the manual. I'm not sure if this is the correct / latest revision, but it's probably a good place to start: ftp://download.asrock.com/manual/939Dual-VSTA.pdf -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
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stakanov@freenet.de composed on 2015-09-26 14:28 (UTC+0200):
It is possible to do a dual boot with two OS in THIS config? OR is it intrinsically impossible to boot a machine in dual boot with IDE and SATA on the same machine. I do already not understand why the prober does not see the other OS?? Thank you for any tip on how I could achieve this (it is that I feel it to be a waste to through away a working IDE disk only because technology has changed.
You can't count on every kernel version or OS version to find and allocate resources in the same order. This means one may find PATA first, another, SATA first, and how they are reacted to may change according to which is set to HD0 in the BIOS. This is a major reason why recent releases build fstab using UUIDs instead of device names. Likewise, bootloaders can react differently at boot time than during configuration/setup time. I have one machine using a motherboard similar to yours: http://us.msi.com/product/mb/K9N6PGM2V.html#hero-specification It works fine, booting installations on both PATA and SATA disks, without changing BIOS disk order. But, each disk has standard legacy boot code in MBR, and it boots initially from primary partition using Grub, not Grub2, so there's no involvement from os-prober at setup time, and all the configuration is done in the various /boot/grub directories and /etc/grub.confs. Grub2 is installed nowhere. It boots all of 13.1, 13.2, TW, 11.3, 11.4 and 12.2, either directly from the first primary, or by chainloading to the partition from the first primary. http://fm.no-ip.com/Tmp/Dfsee/mcp61L02.txt is its partitioning. As Grub Legacy is still provided by 13.2 and TW, you can replace Grub2 with it. YaST, dracut and perl-bootloader still function with Grub Legacy installed instead of Grub2. You may find, as do I, that Grub Legacy is more easily managed in a multiboot BIOS environment than is Grub2. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
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26.09.2015 15:28, stakanov@freenet.de пишет:
This is something for the elder population of you and requires some historical knowledge.
I have the following setup: a 939 Athlon AMD 64 board with one HDD IDE 250GB set to master one HDD SATA 300 GB Seagate one HDD SATA WD 250 The chip-set is actually a 939DualVsta from Asrock (verrrry old with mixed AGP/PCI-e chipset) On the HDD IDE I did install Tumbleweed. During this installation I left all other disks detached. Now that works well, boots well, no problem. On the second HDD (SATA) I did install the new (and btw beautiful!) beta. With the IDE attached. This installs well. When I did install it, it offered to install the boot manager to /sdb1 (that is SATA). I agreed and thought: afterwards it will boot by IDE in sda1 so I would join the second entry in grub of tumbleweed. When booting it boots well in tumbleweed. The I did os-prober. First surprise: does not see anything. No other OS. Now, I tried to tell him boot from sda1 and as second choice I did put "boot from custom" and there I did set sdb1. Now tumbleweed said there was a problem installing the boot loader. It now blocks after the titel grub, after boot. So I went to the bios and told the PC boot SATA sdb1 as first device. This works well, in fact I am writing from the beta. When I go to the console and do su-, then os-prober..........it sees nothing, no second OS!
Run start=$(date +"%F %H:%M:%S") os-prober journalctl --since="$start" --until=now and paste output of journalctl.
Now the question for amateurs of archeology. It is possible to do a dual boot with two OS in THIS config? OR is it intrinsically impossible to boot a machine in dual boot with IDE and SATA on the same machine. I do already not understand why the prober does not see the other OS?? Thank you for any tip on how I could achieve this (it is that I feel it to be a waste to through away a working IDE disk only because technology has changed.
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Andrei Borzenkov
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Carl Hartung
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Felix Miata
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gumb
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