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Alex Daniloff

18 May 2001 18 May '01

06:16

Hello Linux folkz, I'm looking for the financial Linux based program which allows to pay all my utility and other bills electronically. About three years ago I've used M$ Money 98 to pay all my bills. That program was connecting to my bank through the modem line to pay my bills and it did all nessesary updates in my local account register. Now when postal service became more expensive I'd like to start to pay my bills electronically again. All boxen in my house are free of M$ and I do not want to use any M$ oriented financial program. Could somebody please advise me a good financial program for paying my bills electronically with Linux. Thank you in advance. Alex -- MS Windows users should be covered under the Americans with Disabilities Act! --------------> Try Linux and you'll understand why <--------------

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Konstantin (Kastus) Shchuka

18 May 18 May

06:34

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You may open an account at any bank with online payments, e.g. Bank of America, and pay bills online from their website. Any browser with javascript support will fit. Mozilla works for me. -Kastus On Thu, May 17, 2001 at 11:16:00PM -0700, Alex Daniloff wrote:

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Hello Linux folkz, I'm looking for the financial Linux based program which allows to pay all my utility and other bills electronically. About three years ago I've used M$ Money 98 to pay all my bills. That program was connecting to my bank through the modem line to pay my bills and it did all nessesary updates in my local account register. Now when postal service became more expensive I'd like to start to pay my bills electronically again. All boxen in my house are free of M$ and I do not want to use any M$ oriented financial program. Could somebody please advise me a good financial program for paying my bills electronically with Linux. Thank you in advance. Alex

Guy Van Sanden

06:41

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Are you sure about that? Over here, in Belgium, amost none of the banks that have online payments can be used with Linux... Even though they use Javascripts, applets etc, you just can't used them. (you get something like "your OS is not supported..."). Guy

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On 18/05/2001, 08:34:37, "Konstantin (Kastus) Shchuka" wrote regarding Re: [SLE] Electronic bill payments with Linux?:

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You may open an account at any bank with online payments, e.g. Bank of America, and pay bills online from their website. Any browser with javascript support will fit. Mozilla works for me.

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Hello Linux folkz, I'm looking for the financial Linux based program which allows to pay all my utility and other bills electronically. About three years ago I've used M$ Money 98 to pay all my bills. That

On Thu, May 17, 2001 at 11:16:00PM -0700, Alex Daniloff wrote: program

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was connecting to my bank through the modem line to pay my bills and it did all nessesary updates in my local account register. Now when postal service became more expensive I'd like to start to pay my bills electronically again. All boxen in my house are free of M$ and I do not want to use any M$ oriented financial program. Could somebody please advise me a good financial program for paying my bills electronically with Linux. Thank you in advance. Alex

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Eddie Howson

06:54

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Just a thought Guy. What browser do you use? Does it make a difference if you connect using Konqueror, with the useragent set to MSIE compatibility? If you haven't done so already take a look at the User Agent section of Konq's configuration settings. Eddie On Friday 18 May 2001 7:41 am, you wrote:

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Are you sure about that?

Over here, in Belgium, amost none of the banks that have online payments can be used with Linux... Even though they use Javascripts, applets etc, you just can't used them. (you get something like "your OS is not supported...").

Guy

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On 18/05/2001, 08:34:37, "Konstantin (Kastus) Shchuka" wrote regarding Re: [SLE] Electronic bill payments

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You may open an account at any bank with online payments, e.g. Bank of

America,

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and pay bills online from their website. Any browser with javascript support will fit. Mozilla works for me.

-Kastus

On Thu, May 17, 2001 at 11:16:00PM -0700, Alex Daniloff wrote:

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Hello Linux folkz, I'm looking for the financial Linux based program which allows to pay

all my

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utility and other bills electronically. About three years ago I've used M$ Money 98 to pay all my bills. That

program

...
...
was connecting to my bank through the modem line to pay my bills and

it did

...
...
all nessesary updates in my local account register. Now when postal service became more expensive I'd like to start to pay

my

...
...
bills electronically again. All boxen in my house are free of M$ and I do not want to use any M$

oriented

...
...
financial program. Could somebody please advise me a good financial program for paying my

bills

...
...
electronically with Linux. Thank you in advance. Alex

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Tor Sigurdsson

10:43

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Just a thought, if the banks message to you is "your OS is not supported..." then wouldn't it be right to contact the bank, and tell them that you would like to use your Linux browser ( Netscape/Mozilla/Konqueror/Opera/etc.etc ) to use their online banking, or else you'd consider move your business to a friendlier bank ? ALL banks in Iceland ( oh all six of them :) support online banking with ANY ssl compliant browser ( 128 bit ) running on ANY operating system. They also support the "internet access to everybody" giving anyone with an Icelandic social security number free access to the internet ( and thus to online banking :) Then to answer Alex Daniloffs original question: TheKompany ( http://www.thekompany.com ) is creating an application called Kapital. It's what may well become Linux "M$ Money". It's still in early beta, but you can buy into the beta ( giving you full access to the program as the evolution advances, and the possibility of influencing the development :-) It's not expensive, and as there are a few things I'd like to see in it, I bought into the beta. It seems to have the looks, and the brains are growing in there somewhere :-) It gets one thumb up as is, and the other thumb is getting itchy :-) Check it out. There is a demo on TheKompany's website. -tosi Þann föstudagur 18 maí 2001 06:54 skrifaðir þú:

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Just a thought Guy. What browser do you use? Does it make a difference if you connect using Konqueror, with the useragent set to MSIE compatibility? If you haven't done so already take a look at the User Agent section of Konq's configuration settings.

Eddie

On Friday 18 May 2001 7:41 am, you wrote:

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Are you sure about that?

Over here, in Belgium, amost none of the banks that have online payments can be used with Linux... Even though they use Javascripts, applets etc, you just can't used them. (you get something like "your OS is not supported...").

Guy

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>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< [SNIP]

On Thu, May 17, 2001 at 11:16:00PM -0700, Alex Daniloff wrote:

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Hello Linux folkz, I'm looking for the financial Linux based program which allows to pay

all my

...
...
utility and other bills electronically. About three years ago I've used M$ Money 98 to pay all my bills. That

program

...
...
was connecting to my bank through the modem line to pay my bills and

it did

...
...
all nessesary updates in my local account register. Now when postal service became more expensive I'd like to start to pay

my

...
...
bills electronically again. All boxen in my house are free of M$ and I do not want to use any M$

oriented

...
...
financial program. Could somebody please advise me a good financial program for paying my

bills

...
...
electronically with Linux. Thank you in advance. Alex

-- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/support/faq and the archives at http://lists.suse.com

Guy Van Sanden

12:54

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I did... I got a friendly message from a technical person telling me that he's sorry, but management doesn't want Linux support... the "nobody's using that" excuse... And I thought that the whole point of web-based applications was to be independant from browser/platform... One of the problems is that none of the banks use SSL, they all have their own programs/java applets to download. These make some sort of encrypted, signed connection, but as a user, you may not know what kind or what strength... I'm indeed taking my business elsewhere... to the one bank I could find that TOLERATES Linux. No support, no guarantees, but they say that it's known to work with Linux and Netscape 4.76... (not any other browser). But if it doesn't... you're on your own. And that's the general situation in Belgium. I can't even use the most of the sites like yellow pages, or governement sites (these are the worst, not only do you have to use MSIE but often, you also need Word 97< to view any documents). I said this once before, my county is M$-owned...

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On 18/05/2001, 12:43:36, Tor Sigurdsson wrote regarding Re: [SLE] Electronic bill payments with Linux?:

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Just a thought, if the banks message to you is "your OS is not supported..." then wouldn't it be right to contact the bank, and tell them that you would like to use your Linux browser ( Netscape/Mozilla/Konqueror/Opera/etc.etc ) to use their online banking, or else you'd consider move your business to a friendlier bank ?

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ALL banks in Iceland ( oh all six of them :) support online banking with ANY ssl compliant browser ( 128 bit ) running on ANY operating system. They also support the "internet access to everybody" giving anyone with an Icelandic social security number free access to the internet ( and thus to online banking :)

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Then to answer Alex Daniloffs original question:

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TheKompany ( http://www.thekompany.com ) is creating an application called Kapital. It's what may well become Linux "M$ Money". It's still in early beta, but you can buy into the beta ( giving you full access to the program as the evolution advances, and the possibility of influencing the development :-) It's not expensive, and as there are a few things I'd like to see in it, I bought into the beta. It seems to have the looks, and the brains are growing in there somewhere :-) It gets one thumb up as is, and the other thumb is getting itchy :-) Check it out. There is a demo on TheKompany's website.

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Þann föstudagur 18 maí 2001 06:54 skrifaðir þú:

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Just a thought Guy. What browser do you use? Does it make a difference if you connect using Konqueror, with the useragent set to MSIE compatibility? If you haven't done so already take a look at the User Agent section of Konq's configuration settings.

Eddie

On Friday 18 May 2001 7:41 am, you wrote:

...
Are you sure about that?

Over here, in Belgium, amost none of the banks that have online payments can be used with Linux... Even though they use Javascripts, applets etc, you just can't used them. (you get something like "your OS is not supported...").

Guy

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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< [SNIP]

On Thu, May 17, 2001 at 11:16:00PM -0700, Alex Daniloff wrote:

...
Hello Linux folkz, I'm looking for the financial Linux based program which allows to pay

all my

...
...
utility and other bills electronically. About three years ago I've used M$ Money 98 to pay all my bills. That

program

...
...
was connecting to my bank through the modem line to pay my bills and

it did

...
...
all nessesary updates in my local account register. Now when postal service became more expensive I'd like to start to pay

my

...
...
bills electronically again. All boxen in my house are free of M$ and I do not want to use any M$

oriented

...
...
financial program. Could somebody please advise me a good financial program for paying my

bills

...
...
electronically with Linux. Thank you in advance. Alex

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Ben Rosenberg

15:04

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* Guy Van Sanden (sienix@crosswinds.net) [010518 05:56]: ->I did... I got a friendly message from a technical person telling me ->that he's sorry, but management doesn't want Linux support... the ->"nobody's using that" excuse... -> Well, I was watching Cnet's T.V. show the other day and they interviewed Linus..but before that they flashed up the market share of OS's. Windows 91.2 Linux 3.8 Mac 1.8 other = the rest of the market I would say we are a bigger market then Mac and I never hear Mac people bitching about the online banking thing. It's about time we got louder with these business's. I do believe it's a minimum of 3.8 percent..but I also know they count up these percents by licenses sold..so I would hazard a guess that Linux has more like 10-12% :) It's total crap. The OSS community develops a lot of the standard software these companies use..whether they use OSS software under Solaris or some other UNIX. REALLY makes me angry a lot of the time that the leaders of the OSS community don't speak loud and carry a bit stick to the public. It takes a Craig Mundie to get them to band together. :/ -- Ben Rosenberg mailto:ben@whack.org ----- If two men agree on everything, you can be sure that only one of them is doing the thinking.

James Jim Hatridge

17:09

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HI Guy et al... On Friday 18 May 2001 14:54, Guy Van Sanden wrote:

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I'm indeed taking my business elsewhere... to the one bank I could find that TOLERATES Linux. No support, no guarantees, but they say that it's known to work with Linux and Netscape 4.76... (not any other browser). But if it doesn't... you're on your own.

And that's the general situation in Belgium. I can't even use the most of the sites like yellow pages, or governement sites (these are the worst, not only do you have to use MSIE but often, you also need Word 97< to view any documents).

I said this once before, my county is M$-owned...

Here in Germany I use PostBank (www.PostBank-banking.de). It seems to me that if you pay everything by Euro you should be able to use a German Bank just as easy as one in Belgium. It costs about 8 DM (ca 4 eur) per month. Or if you have an income of over 2000 DM (ca 1000 eur) per month it's free. All transfers are free etc. Of course the web site is in German only. Hope this helps... -- Jim Hatridge Proud Linux User #88484 Owner -- beowulf-newbie list I didn't vote for his daddy either! Libertarian Party www.lp.org "If someone has a gun and is trying to kill you, it would be reasonable to shoot back with your own gun." ~~ The Dalai Lama, May 15, 2001 ------------------------------------------------------- BayerWulf Jim's Beowulf Project Looking for giveaway computers and parts Email Jim for details on how you can help build a poor man's super computer.

Ben Rosenberg

06:43

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* Alex Daniloff (alex@daniloff.com) [010517 23:21]: ->Hello Linux folkz, ->I'm looking for the financial Linux based program which allows to pay all my ->utility and other bills electronically. ->About three years ago I've used M$ Money 98 to pay all my bills. That program ->was connecting to my bank through the modem line to pay my bills and it did ->all nessesary updates in my local account register. ->Now when postal service became more expensive I'd like to start to pay my ->bills electronically again. ->All boxen in my house are free of M$ and I do not want to use any M$ oriented ->financial program. ->Could somebody please advise me a good financial program for paying my bills ->electronically with Linux. ->Thank you in advance. ->Alex I hear that Kapital from TheKompany will have this feature. I also heard they have signed up most of the major banks so that this will work. Check out the software at www.thekompany.com. It's KDE2 based sofware and it looks good. -- Ben Rosenberg mailto:ben@whack.org ----- If two men agree on everything, you can be sure that only one of them is doing the thinking.

Paul Abrahams

16:25

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I have a bank account with First Internet Bank of Indiana (www.firstib.com) that offers bill-paying service and is accessible through any web browser. They aren't the only ones in the business, either. I have no trouble accessing First Internet Bank through Netscape under Linux. In general, you need to think about the relationship of your bill-paying service to the bank that you ordinarily use. Many banks now offer both Internet access and bill-paying. In fact, as far as I know, all bill-paying services are tied to a bank account in one way or another. Paul

Ben Rosenberg

18:23

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Well, I was more or less talking about support. I think that if the server queries the browser for ssl and not "Hey what kind of bug ridden version of IE are you? OH! your Netscape..well, ok..we'll let you in..but don't make a habit of this!" types of attitudes. It's crap. Konqi is 10X the browser netscape is..it's just the code on the server side doesn't give a crap about it. Man, I remember when it didn't matter what bloody browser you used as long as it did what was required by the site...ie flash..ssl..frames..whatever. I say no to .NyET and it's crap. We need to get rid of these lazy web developers who just want to make pretty pictures and lots of cash. * Paul Abrahams (abrahams@acm.org) [010518 09:26]: ->I have a bank account with First Internet Bank of Indiana (www.firstib.com) that ->offers bill-paying service and is accessible through any web browser. They ->aren't the only ones in the business, either. I have no trouble accessing First ->Internet Bank through Netscape under Linux. -> ->In general, you need to think about the relationship of your bill-paying service ->to the bank that you ordinarily use. Many banks now offer both Internet access ->and bill-paying. In fact, as far as I know, all bill-paying services are tied to ->a bank account in one way or another. -> ->Paul -> -> -> ->-- ->To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com ->For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com ->Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/support/faq and the ->archives at http://lists.suse.com -> -- Ben Rosenberg mailto:ben@whack.org ----- If two men agree on everything, you can be sure that only one of them is doing the thinking.

Steven Hatfield

18:26

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On Friday 18 May 2001 02:23 pm, Ben Rosenberg wrote:

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Well, I was more or less talking about support. I think that if the server queries the browser for ssl and not "Hey what kind of bug ridden version of IE are you? OH! your Netscape..well, ok..we'll let you in..but don't make a habit of this!" types of attitudes. It's crap. Konqi is 10X the browser netscape is..it's just the code on the server side doesn't give a crap about it. Man, I remember when it didn't matter what bloody browser you used as long as it did what was required by the site...ie flash..ssl..frames..whatever. I say no to .NyET and it's crap. We need to get rid of these lazy web developers who just want to make pretty pictures and lots of cash.

* Paul Abrahams (abrahams@acm.org) [010518 09:26]: ->I have a bank account with First Internet Bank of Indiana (www.firstib.com) that ->offers bill-paying service and is accessible through any web browser. They ->aren't the only ones in the business, either. I have no trouble accessing First ->Internet Bank through Netscape under Linux. -> ->In general, you need to think about the relationship of your bill-paying service ->to the bank that you ordinarily use. Many banks now offer both Internet access ->and bill-paying. In fact, as far as I know, all bill-paying services are tied to ->a bank account in one way or another. -> ->Paul -> -> -> ->-- ->To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com ->For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com ->Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/support/faq and the ->archives at http://lists.suse.com ->

Amen!

Paul Abrahams

18:42

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Ben Rosenberg wrote:

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* Paul Abrahams (abrahams@acm.org) [010518 09:26]: ->I have a bank account with First Internet Bank of Indiana (www.firstib.com) that ->offers bill-paying service and is accessible through any web browser. They ->aren't the only ones in the business, either. I have no trouble accessing First ->Internet Bank through Netscape under Linux.

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Well, I was more or less talking about support. I think that if the server queries the browser for ssl and not "Hey what kind of bug ridden version of IE are you? OH! your Netscape..well, ok..we'll let you in..but don't make a habit of this!" types of attitudes. It's crap. Konqi is 10X the browser netscape is..it's just the code on the server side doesn't give a crap about it. Man, I remember when it didn't matter what bloody browser you used as long as it did what was required by the site...ie flash..ssl..frames..whatever. I say no to .NyET and it's crap.

For whatever it's worth, I can also access First Internet Bank from Konqueror. Probably lots of other banks too.

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We need to get rid of these lazy web developers who just want to make pretty pictures and lots of cash.

A noble sentiment, Ben, but alas, not a very realistic one. As Tonto used to say off-mike to the Lone Ranger, "What do you mean, `we', white man?" The main reason I use Netscape is because of its email. I don't know of any other Linux mailers that have full ability to follow links to web pages and display what's there as well as Netscape can. I agree that Netscape is full of glitches. On the other hand, let's give them credit for supporting Linux at least to the extent they do. Occasionally I encounter web pages that Konq just cannot handle. For those at least I use Netscape. Paul

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Alex Daniloff
Ben Rosenberg
Eddie Howson
Guy Van Sanden
James Jim Hatridge
Konstantin (Kastus) Shchuka
Paul Abrahams
Steven Hatfield
Tor Sigurdsson