Printing quality

Rem P Roberti

26 Jan 2004 26 Jan '04

23:43

I have just done a number of tests making copies of the same text and printing them using different printing resolutions. Everything printed used CUPS. Nothing I could do resulted in print quality that looked anything near as good as printing in Windoz using MS Word. Why is that, and can anything be done to match qualities? Rem

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Patrick Shanahan

27 Jan 27 Jan

00:12

New subject: [SLE] Printing quality

* Rem P Roberti [01-26-04 18:42]:

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I have just done a number of tests making copies of the same text and printing them using different printing resolutions. Everything printed used CUPS. Nothing I could do resulted in print quality that looked anything near as good as printing in Windoz using MS Word. Why is that, and can anything be done to match qualities?

cups-1.1.20-0 2.4.21-166-default OpenOffice_org-1.1-43 Word documents opened in OpenOffice Writer and printed thru cups to my epson stylus photo 925 have as good text quality as lithographed documents. Either your configuration is lacking or your printer wrongly configured or not fully supported in linux. -- Patrick Shanahan Registered Linux User #207535 http://wahoo.no-ip.org @ http://counter.li.org

Rem P Roberti

03:04

New subject: [SLE] Printing quality

Well, I decided to remove the printer and reinstall. Everything went swimmingly, and, yes, the HP840C is supported and on the list. I'm not going to say that the print quality is awful, it just isn't that great compared to printing directly from HP's own software via Windoz. And what's worse, at the medium resolution setting (300x300dpi) it prints very slooooowly. Rem On Mon, 2004-01-26 at 16:12, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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* Rem P Roberti [01-26-04 18:42]:

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I have just done a number of tests making copies of the same text and printing them using different printing resolutions. Everything printed used CUPS. Nothing I could do resulted in print quality that looked anything near as good as printing in Windoz using MS Word. Why is that, and can anything be done to match qualities?

cups-1.1.20-0 2.4.21-166-default OpenOffice_org-1.1-43

Word documents opened in OpenOffice Writer and printed thru cups to my epson stylus photo 925 have as good text quality as lithographed documents. Either your configuration is lacking or your printer wrongly configured or not fully supported in linux. -- Patrick Shanahan Registered Linux User #207535 http://wahoo.no-ip.org @ http://counter.li.org

Patrick Shanahan

03:25

New subject: [SLE] Printing quality

* Rem P Roberti [01-26-04 22:02]:

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Well, I decided to remove the printer and reinstall. Everything went swimmingly, and, yes, the HP840C is supported and on the list. I'm not going to say that the print quality is awful, it just isn't that great compared to printing directly from HP's own software via Windoz. And what's worse, at the medium resolution setting (300x300dpi) it prints very slooooowly.

Well, I have corrected your top-posting and trimmed the superfluous full quote under. Please don't top post and trim your posts. I had an hp895 and an hp970 which both printted good, but maybe a tad slow. IMNSHO, Epson printers have the best linux support and quality output. The photos I print are as good as any I have seen from any ink jet desk top printer. I believe they rival professional photos. I would suggest that you go to linuxprintting.org and look up the proper ppd files for your printer and check the degree of compatability provided. You might also join the mailing list for linuxprintting also available there. There are very good discussions on the list and someone there should be able to answer your questions and help you resolve your observed lack of quality output. Gud luk, -- Patrick Shanahan Registered Linux User #207535 http://wahoo.no-ip.org @ http://counter.li.org

Paul W. Abrahams

18:35

New subject: Top posting (WAS: Re: [SLE] Printing quality)

On Monday 26 January 2004 10:25 pm, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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* Rem P Roberti [01-26-04 22:02]:

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Well, I have corrected your top-posting and trimmed the superfluous full quote under. Please don't top post and trim your posts.

What is top-posting? And what practices do you advocate about trimming messages to which one is responding? I don't think there's any agreed-upon convention about this. My approach is to put the original message first (to set the context) and to trim most everything from it that isn't relevant to the response. Paul Abrahams

Jim Norton

18:45

New subject: [SLE] Top posting (WAS: Re: [SLE] Printing quality)

On Tue, Jan 27, 2004 at 01:35:43PM -0500, Paul W. Abrahams wrote:

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On Monday 26 January 2004 10:25 pm, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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* Rem P Roberti [01-26-04 22:02]:

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Well, I have corrected your top-posting and trimmed the superfluous full quote under. Please don't top post and trim your posts.

What is top-posting? And what practices do you advocate about trimming messages to which one is responding? I don't think there's any agreed-upon convention about this.

My approach is to put the original message first (to set the context) and to trim most everything from it that isn't relevant to the response.

Paul Abrahams

Oh here we go again with the "top posting haters" and "post not trimmed haters" speaking out as if they know the one true correct way to post to an email list. Get over yourselves.... -- Jim Norton - http://www.jimnorton.org 2 + 2 = 5 for large values of 2

Paul W. Abrahams

18:53

New subject: [SLE] Top posting (WAS: Re: [SLE] Printing quality)

On Tuesday 27 January 2004 1:45 pm, Jim Norton wrote:

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On Tue, Jan 27, 2004 at 01:35:43PM -0500, Paul W. Abrahams wrote:

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On Monday 26 January 2004 10:25 pm, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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* Rem P Roberti [01-26-04 22:02]:

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Well, I have corrected your top-posting and trimmed the superfluous full quote under. Please don't top post and trim your posts.

What is top-posting? And what practices do you advocate about trimming messages to which one is responding? I don't think there's any agreed-upon convention about this.

My approach is to put the original message first (to set the context) and to trim most everything from it that isn't relevant to the response.

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Oh here we go again with the "top posting haters" and "post not trimmed haters" speaking out as if they know the one true correct way to post to an email list.

I claim no such path to enlightenment, though common sense and putting youself in the reader's place do go a long way. Paul Abrahams

Jim Norton

18:58

New subject: [SLE] Top posting

On Tue, Jan 27, 2004 at 01:53:58PM -0500, Paul W. Abrahams wrote:

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On Tuesday 27 January 2004 1:45 pm, Jim Norton wrote:

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On Tue, Jan 27, 2004 at 01:35:43PM -0500, Paul W. Abrahams wrote:

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On Monday 26 January 2004 10:25 pm, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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* Rem P Roberti [01-26-04 22:02]:

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Well, I have corrected your top-posting and trimmed the superfluous full quote under. Please don't top post and trim your posts.

What is top-posting? And what practices do you advocate about trimming messages to which one is responding? I don't think there's any agreed-upon convention about this.

My approach is to put the original message first (to set the context) and to trim most everything from it that isn't relevant to the response.

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Oh here we go again with the "top posting haters" and "post not trimmed haters" speaking out as if they know the one true correct way to post to an email list.

I claim no such path to enlightenment, though common sense and putting youself in the reader's place do go a long way.

I'm just pointing out that a barrage of "don't top post" and "trim your posts appropriately" can be just as annoying as "top posts" and "improperly trimmed" posts. The point is that not everybody has the same sense of what is irritating. Unless a standard is set by the list moderator, I'm not sure how one can really have any basis upon which to presume what posting style is preferred on a given email list... -- Jim Norton - http://www.jimnorton.org 2 + 2 = 5 for large values of 2

Michael Galloway

19:00

New subject: [SLE] Top posting

i agree, could we please leave the list moderation to the list owner? -- michael On Tue, 27 Jan 2004, Jim Norton wrote:

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I'm just pointing out that a barrage of "don't top post" and "trim your posts appropriately" can be just as annoying as "top posts" and "improperly trimmed" posts. The point is that not everybody has the same sense of what is irritating. Unless a standard is set by the list moderator, I'm not sure how one can really have any basis upon which to presume what posting style is preferred on a given email list...

Ben Rosenberg

19:06

New subject: [SLE] Top posting

* Michael Galloway (mgx@ornl.gov) [040127 11:00]: -> ->i agree, could we please leave the list moderation to the list owner? -> There is NO owner. Let us get this straight. This list has been a community moderated list since I've been on it..which has been years and quite frankly this list has gone to shite as far as the squabbles that occur here over stupid shit. In the last few years it's theme song is pretty much been the same as the T.V. Malcom in the Middle (a crappy sitcom for all you EU people who don't what it is..). " YOUR NOT THE BOSS OF ME ..YOUR NOT THE BOSS OF ME! " This is pretty much how it is. Since Chris quite SUSE there isn't anyone who really polices this list, so being that it's gone back to pretty much a community policed list..let's stop talking about owners and moderators an be a little bit kinder to each other and have some respect for Internet standards that have been around long before most any of you even know what a mailinglist was. There are standards..go read them. /end -----=====-----=====-----=====-----=====----- Ben Rosenberg mailto:ben@whack.org -----=====-----=====-----=====-----=====----- "Competing with Linux is like nailing jello to a tree." -

Jim

19:12

New subject: [SLE] Top posting

On Tue January 27 2004 14:06, Ben Rosenberg wrote:

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* Michael Galloway (mgx@ornl.gov) [040127 11:00]: -> ->i agree, could we please leave the list moderation to the list owner? ->

There is NO owner. Let us get this straight. This list has been a community moderated list since I've been on it..which has been years and quite frankly this list has gone to shite as far as the squabbles that occur here over stupid shit. In the last few years it's theme song is pretty much been the same as the T.V. Malcom in the Middle (a crappy sitcom for all you EU people who don't what it is..).

" YOUR NOT THE BOSS OF ME ..YOUR NOT THE BOSS OF ME! "

This is pretty much how it is. Since Chris quite SUSE there isn't anyone who really polices this list, so being that it's gone back to pretty much a community policed list..let's stop talking about owners and moderators an be a little bit kinder to each other and have some respect for Internet standards that have been around long before most any of you even know what a mailinglist was. There are standards..go read them.

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Can't we all just get along.

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Patrick Greenwell

19:21

New subject: [SLE] Moderation

Ben Rosenberg wrote:

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* Michael Galloway (mgx@ornl.gov) [040127 11:00]: -> ->i agree, could we please leave the list moderation to the list owner? ->

There is NO owner. Let us get this straight. This list has been a community moderated list since I've been on it..which has been years and quite frankly this list has gone to shite as far as the squabbles that occur here over stupid shit. In the last few years it's theme song is pretty much been the same as the T.V. Malcom in the Middle (a crappy sitcom for all you EU people who don't what it is..).

" YOUR NOT THE BOSS OF ME ..YOUR NOT THE BOSS OF ME! "

This is pretty much how it is. Since Chris quite SUSE there isn't anyone who really polices this list, so being that it's gone back to pretty much a community policed list

We are currently evaluating appointing Sysops/moderators in the near future to help answer questions and to offer netiquette guidance as necessary. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Patrick Greenwell, Support Account Manager, Fortune 500 SUSE LINUX, 1100 Sansome St., San Francisco, CA, 94111 T: +1 415 591 6607 - Cell: +1 510 499 7896 F: +1 510 591 6619 - patrick@suse.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------

Patrick Shanahan

19:50

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* Patrick Greenwell [01-27-04 14:27]:

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We are currently evaluating appointing Sysops/moderators in the near future to help answer questions and to offer netiquette guidance as necessary.

This will be much appreciated. Thankyou, -- Patrick Shanahan Registered Linux User #207535 http://wahoo.no-ip.org @ http://counter.li.org

Jerry Feldman

20:01

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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, 27 Jan 2004 11:21:32 -0800 Patrick Greenwell wrote:

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We are currently evaluating appointing Sysops/moderators in the near future to help answer questions and to offer netiquette guidance as necessary. Moderation is a double edged sword, but it would cut down on some of the useless messages, and allow the messages with real content and questions to get more exposure with the result that SuSE users get better service. Additionally, having SuSE personnel on the list should improve things both by providing us with information and by feeding relevant information back to SuSE.

Jerry Feldman Boston Linux and Unix user group http://www.blu.org PGP key id:C5061EA9 PGP Key fingerprint:053C 73EC 3AC1 5C44 3E14 9245 FB00 3ED5 C506 1EA9 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAFsOD+wA+1cUGHqkRAnbcAJ9bnLMTjYXb60G34AqjT2yeqW3TRgCfTwLa EC5az0cXFx0z/Wr2z8Ht1FE= =glMg -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Paul W. Abrahams

20:15

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On Tuesday 27 January 2004 3:01 pm, Jerry Feldman wrote:

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Additionally, having SuSE personnel on the list should improve things both by providing us with information and by feeding relevant information back to SuSE.

I think they are already here. Their participation, though, is a valuable and very limited resource that we should use most sparingly. Paul Abrahams

Carlos E. R.

20:57

New subject: [SLE] Moderation

The Tuesday 2004-01-27 at 11:21 -0800, Patrick Greenwell wrote:

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We are currently evaluating appointing Sysops/moderators in the near future to help answer questions and to offer netiquette guidance as necessary.

¡Good idea! If you do, don't forget to add to the message trailers a reference on how to obtain policy rules (besides posting them regularly), help, commands, etc. Something like: Unsubscribe: send mail to the address in "list-unsubscribe" hidden header. Policy: send mail to... Commands and list help: send mail to... FAQ, instructions: send mail to... List archive and home page: http... You could even randomize the trailer, so that the same meaning are said in diferent ways - making more dificult not to notice! Some lists mail regularly to each user (off-list) a reminder of subscription address, passwords, etc. Rules may go there as well. -- Cheers, Carlos Robinson

Paul W. Abrahams

19:46

New subject: [SLE] Top posting

On Tuesday 27 January 2004 2:06 pm, Ben Rosenberg wrote:

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let's stop talking about owners and moderators an be a little bit kinder to each other

yes, yes

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[Let's] have some respect for Internet standards that have been around long before most any of you even know what a mailinglist was. There are standards..go read them.

Could you be so kind, Ben, as to point us all to the standards that govern top-quoting, and perhaps as an even greater act of kindness quote a couple of choice informative paragraphs directly? Specifics usually trump generalities (admittedly itself a generalization). Paul Abrahams

Mads Martin Joergensen

28 Jan 28 Jan

08:37

New subject: [SLE] Top posting

* Ben Rosenberg [Jan 27. 2004 20:10]:

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This is pretty much how it is. Since Chris quite SUSE there isn't anyone who really polices this list, so being that it's gone back to pretty much a community policed list..let's stop talking about owners and moderators an be a little bit kinder to each other and have some respect for Internet standards that have been around long before most any of you even know what a mailinglist was. There are standards..go read them.

Some of us still have root on lists, and will act if there's bad enough things going on. I know henne is also there for the same, so don't consider it total anarchy :) -- Mads Martin Joergensen, http://mmj.dk "Why make things difficult, when it is possible to make them cryptic and totally illogical, with just a little bit more effort?" -- A. P. J.

Ben Rosenberg

27 Jan 27 Jan

19:01

New subject: [SLE] Top posting

* Jim Norton (jrn@oregonhanggliding.com) [040127 10:58]: -> ->I'm just pointing out that a barrage of "don't top post" and "trim your posts appropriately" ->can be just as annoying as "top posts" and "improperly trimmed" posts. The point is ->that not everybody has the same sense of what is irritating. Unless a standard is set ->by the list moderator, I'm not sure how one can really have any basis upon which to ->presume what posting style is preferred on a given email list... -> The SLE has never really been moderated. I tried to talk Mads and Henne into letting me be the jackbooted thug moderator for the list but they said they would handle it..but it's still a free for all. So the only response I can offer is RFC reading is a good thing. -----=====-----=====-----=====-----=====----- Ben Rosenberg mailto:ben@whack.org -----=====-----=====-----=====-----=====----- "Competing with Linux is like nailing jello to a tree." -

Joe Dufresne

28 Jan 28 Jan

23:47

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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Ben Rosenberg wrote: ~ > The SLE has never really been moderated. I tried to talk Mads and Henne | into letting me be the jackbooted thug moderator for the list but they | said they would handle it..but it's still a free for all. So the only | response I can offer is RFC reading is a good thing. | All hail Ben? well, over on another list we have "heartless tryant" - -- SuSE Linux 9.0 (i586) Kernel: 2.4.21-144-default / i686 | Posted from: Miverna ~ 3:45pm up 0:29, 1 user, load average: 0.13, 0.22, 0.25 The idea is to die young as late as possible. -- Ashley Montague nqs@tmcom.com | http://tigger.tmcom.com/~nqs/blogger.html -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFAGEoToS1S7SxfpzwRAhptAKC70OOtHvgQbF+qK4ouHQE+WPPNuACfZ9VB 8F1uMO5+4pF1zC5uGnvUraM= =Eu8y -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Paul W. Abrahams

27 Jan 27 Jan

19:29

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I'm just pointing out that a barrage of "don't top post" and "trim your

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can be just as annoying as "top posts" and "improperly trimmed" posts. The

On Tuesday 27 January 2004 1:58 pm, Jim Norton wrote: posts appropriately" point is

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that not everybody has the same sense of what is irritating. Unless a standard is set by the list moderator, I'm not sure how one can really have any basis upon which to presume what posting style is preferred on a given email list...

Good thought, Jim. Perhaps the list managers can be persuaded to add something to the trailer on each message that points to a webpage or whatever that describes the recommended posting practices for this list. Paul Abrahams

David Herman

20:34

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I'm just pointing out that a barrage of "don't top post" and "trim your posts appropriately" can be just as annoying

More annoying if you ask me.

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as "top posts" and "improperly trimmed" posts. The point is that not everybody has the same sense of what is irritating. Unless a standard is set by the list moderator, I'm not sure how one can really have any basis upon which to presume what posting style is preferred on a given email list... Thanks Jim, I was just about to start a new thread to try to express just what you posted.

I have no problem with people asking others to not top post, hijack threads, trim quotes etc, as long as they also try to help with the questions that are asked. I actually prefer reading top posts in some cases (why scroll through a very long message / log file just to read a short reply). (I don't use threading features so I don't know what I'm missing). What really bothers me is those who hijack a thread just to tell people not to hijack threads, or to complain about other netiquette infringements without also trying to help with the questions that have been asked. Its a waste of bandwidth and my time. A lot of people on this list are new, there are going to be repeated questions, top posts, hijacked threads, cc errors. The people on this list are a great technical resource. I believe it would be more useful if those who have no input relative to the question or subject matter gave their keyboards a rest. Let those with relevant input regarding the question take the lead in nudging the offenders in the direction of the one true way. Thanks for your time - -- dh Don't shop at ZipZoomFly.com! -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAFstvBwgxlylUsJARAkqAAKCe2zwU5XBsYucPlBci9/52urZf8wCfevcS l0MP8uh0yPzBfo6Cx5KMFzg= =yjJ3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Ben Rosenberg

18:59

New subject: [SLE] Top posting (WAS: Re: [SLE] Printing quality)

* Paul W. Abrahams (abrahams@acm.org) [040127 10:54]: ->On Tuesday 27 January 2004 1:45 pm, Jim Norton wrote: ->> On Tue, Jan 27, 2004 at 01:35:43PM -0500, Paul W. Abrahams wrote: ->> > On Monday 26 January 2004 10:25 pm, Patrick Shanahan wrote: ->> > > * Rem P Roberti [01-26-04 22:02]: ->> > ->> > - - - - - ->> > ->> > > Well, I have corrected your top-posting and trimmed the superfluous ->> > > full quote under. Please don't top post and trim your posts. ->> > ->> > What is top-posting? And what practices do you advocate about trimming ->> > messages to which one is responding? I don't think there's any ->agreed-upon ->> > convention about this. ->> > ->> > My approach is to put the original message first (to set the context) and ->to ->> > trim most everything from it that isn't relevant to the response. -> ->> Oh here we go again with the "top posting haters" and "post not trimmed ->haters" speaking ->> out as if they know the one true correct way to post to an email list. -> ->I claim no such path to enlightenment, though common sense and putting youself ->in the reader's place do go a long way. Well, since so many Micro-Soft rejects have come into the Linux fold. There are no rules that apply to anyone anymore. It's a friggin free for all. No one will pay attention, no one will read RFC's and people who care about things like top posting, trimming and just plain good manners are out of luck. This won't change and it shall get worse and worse. As far as thread highjacking..just do what I do which is NEVER, EVER answer a question from the ass who does this. If they can't be bothered to understand threading, archives and other such things then they should just go piss up a rope. I mean Mail.app, Firebird and many other email clients handle threading and support it just fine. So the person sending the email on a highjacked thread should know about it..if not they should pull their head out and learn something. -----=====-----=====-----=====-----=====----- Ben Rosenberg mailto:ben@whack.org -----=====-----=====-----=====-----=====----- "Competing with Linux is like nailing jello to a tree." -

Charles Philip Chan

19:11

New subject: [SLE] Top posting (WAS: Re: [SLE] Printing quality)

On Tue, 27 Jan 2004 10:59:31 -0800 Ben Rosenberg wrote:

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No one will pay attention, no one will read RFC's and people who care about things like top posting, trimming and just plain good manners are out of luck.

Agreed. People should really read this: http://www.camtp.uni-mb.si/books/jargon/html/email-style.html Charles -- "Open Standards, Open Documents, and Open Source" -- Scott Bradner (Open Sources, 1999 O'Reilly and Associates)

Patrick Shanahan

20:05

New subject: [SLE] Top posting (WAS: Re: [SLE] Printing quality)

* Charles Philip Chan [01-27-04 14:16]:

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On Tue, 27 Jan 2004 10:59:31 -0800 Ben Rosenberg wrote:

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No one will pay attention, no one will read RFC's and people who care about things like top posting, trimming and just plain good manners are out of luck.

Agreed. People should really read this:

http://www.camtp.uni-mb.si/books/jargon/html/email-style.html

And, perhaps, some history (a little dated?): http://www.dhaller.de/linux/etiquette-e.html -- Patrick Shanahan Registered Linux User #207535 http://wahoo.no-ip.org @ http://counter.li.org

Charles Philip Chan

20:21

New subject: [SLE] Top posting (WAS: Re: [SLE] Printing quality)

On Tue, 27 Jan 2004 15:05:17 -0500 Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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And, perhaps, some history (a little dated?):

Thanks, never knew that existed. It should be included in the unofficial FAQ. Charles -- "...Deep Hack Mode--that mysterious and frightening state of consciousness where Mortal Users fear to tread." (By Matt Welsh)

Togan Muftuoglu

20:37

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* Charles Philip Chan; on 27 Jan, 2004 wrote:

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On Tue, 27 Jan 2004 15:05:17 -0500 Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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And, perhaps, some history (a little dated?):

Thanks, never knew that existed. It should be included in the unofficial FAQ.

Note taken :-) -- Togan Muftuoglu | Unofficial SuSE FAQ Maintainer | Please reply to the list; http://susefaq.sf.net | Please don't put me in TO/CC. Nisi defectum, haud refiecendum

Paul W. Abrahams

20:25

New subject: [SLE] Top posting (WAS: Re: [SLE] Printing quality)

On Tuesday 27 January 2004 3:05 pm, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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And, perhaps, some history (a little dated?):

http://www.dhaller.de/linux/etiquette-e.html

Excellent reference -- I've not seen it before. It could use some updating and spelling correction, but it gets the ideas across well. A pointer to that reference or -- better yet -- to an updated version belongs in the trailer at the bottom of every message in this forum. Paul Abrahams

Donald D Henson

20:58

New subject: [SLE] Top posting (WAS: Re: [SLE] Printing quality)

On Tue, 2004-01-27 at 12:11, Charles Philip Chan wrote:

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On Tue, 27 Jan 2004 10:59:31 -0800 Ben Rosenberg wrote:

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No one will pay attention, no one will read RFC's and people who care about things like top posting, trimming and just plain good manners are out of luck.

Agreed. People should really read this:

http://www.camtp.uni-mb.si/books/jargon/html/email-style.html

Charles

Good read. You're right. Everyone should read it. Don Henson

Kenneth Schneider

18:47

New subject: [SLE] Top posting (WAS: Re: [SLE] Printing quality)

On Tue, 2004-01-27 at 13:35, Paul W. Abrahams wrote:

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On Monday 26 January 2004 10:25 pm, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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* Rem P Roberti [01-26-04 22:02]:

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Well, I have corrected your top-posting and trimmed the superfluous full quote under. Please don't top post and trim your posts.

What is top-posting? And what practices do you advocate about trimming messages to which one is responding? I don't think there's any agreed-upon convention about this.

My approach is to put the original message first (to set the context) and to trim most everything from it that isn't relevant to the response.

Paul Abrahams

Not only that but this is also a high-jacked thread. If you want a new subject stop being so lazy and start your own message. Thread high-jacking screws up the archives and the search engines, as far as providing correct info. If someone was searching on printing problems they would also get this message which has nothing to do with printing problems. -- Ken Schneider unix user since 1989 linux user since 1994 SuSE user since 1998 (5.2)

Paul W. Abrahams

19:02

New subject: [SLE] Top posting (WAS: Re: [SLE] Printing quality)

On Tuesday 27 January 2004 1:47 pm, Kenneth Schneider wrote:

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On Tue, 2004-01-27 at 13:35, Paul W. Abrahams wrote:

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On Monday 26 January 2004 10:25 pm, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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Well, I have corrected your top-posting and trimmed the superfluous full quote under. Please don't top post and trim your posts.

My approach is to put the original message first (to set the context) and to trim most everything from it that isn't relevant to the response.

Not only that but this is also a high-jacked thread. If you want a new subject stop being so lazy and start your own message. Thread high-jacking screws up the archives and the search engines, as far as providing correct info.

If someone was searching on printing problems they would also get this message which has nothing to do with printing problems.

Alas, the good and social thing to do isn't so clear when a thread drifts. Laziness has nothing to do with it -- it's as easy to start a new thread as to add onto an old one. Someone interested in the discussion of top posting would want this message in the same thread, while someone interested in printing problems wouldn't. Life isn't easy; tree structures don't adapt themselves well to a linear world. Paul Abrahams

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New subject: [SLE] Top posting (WAS: Re: [SLE] Printing quality)

* Paul W. Abrahams [01-27-04 13:37]:

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On Monday 26 January 2004 10:25 pm, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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* Rem P Roberti [01-26-04 22:02]:

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Well, I have corrected your top-posting and trimmed the superfluous full quote under. Please don't top post and trim your posts.

What is top-posting? And what practices do you advocate about trimming messages to which one is responding? I don't think there's any agreed-upon convention about this.

Answering at the top of a mail and sending. Top-posting promotes full quoting since most people do not look any further. And how do you carry on a conversation when you answer questions before they are asked?

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My approach is to put the original message first (to set the context) and to trim most everything from it that isn't relevant to the response.

Sounds good to me. We have a plan. -- Patrick Shanahan Registered Linux User #207535 http://wahoo.no-ip.org @ http://counter.li.org

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