[opensuse] Upgrade from 10.1 to 11.1
Has anyone done this specific upgrade of openSUSE? If so, any pitfalls? I am hoping to avoid having to do a new install on this type of machine. -- Roger Oberholtzer OPQ Systems / Ramböll RST Ramböll Sverige AB Krukmakargatan 21 P.O. Box 17009 SE-104 62 Stockholm, Sweden Office: Int +46 8-615 60 20 Mobile: Int +46 70-815 1696 -- "On two occasions I have been asked (by members of Parliament!), 'Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question. - Charles Babbage 1791-1871) English computer pioneer, philosopher And remember: It is RSofT and there is always something under construction. It is like talking about a large city with all construction finished. Not impossible, but very unlikely. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Roger Oberholtzer escribió:
Has anyone done this specific upgrade of openSUSE? If so, any pitfalls? I am hoping to avoid having to do a new install on this type of machine.
Yes, I did it with zypper once, and it worked, not without glitched though. a) add 11.1 repositories, remove the old ones b) upgrade rpm using either yast or rug(cough, cough) c) install zypper and all its dependencies, do not mess with dependencies manually, let the system to decide. d) run zypper ref and then zypper dup, of course, before that, add the repos to zypper if not there. e) once complete, update fstab and grub boot menu to use /dev/sdX instead of /dev/hdX if needed. f) remove package "devs" if installed e) prey to your favorite $DEITY heh :P f) reboot warning: this procedure is absolutely unsupported, if it eats your babies, you are on your own. -- "We have art in order not to die of the truth" - Friedrich Nietzsche Cristian Rodríguez R. Software Developer Platform/OpenSUSE - Core Services SUSE LINUX Products GmbH Research & Development http://www.opensuse.org/
On Mon, 2009-01-26 at 13:57 -0300, Cristian Rodríguez wrote:
Roger Oberholtzer escribió:
Has anyone done this specific upgrade of openSUSE? If so, any pitfalls? I am hoping to avoid having to do a new install on this type of machine.
Yes, I did it with zypper once, and it worked, not without glitched though.
a) add 11.1 repositories, remove the old ones b) upgrade rpm using either yast or rug(cough, cough) c) install zypper and all its dependencies, do not mess with dependencies manually, let the system to decide. d) run zypper ref and then zypper dup, of course, before that, add the repos to zypper if not there. e) once complete, update fstab and grub boot menu to use /dev/sdX instead of /dev/hdX if needed. f) remove package "devs" if installed e) prey to your favorite $DEITY heh :P f) reboot
warning: this procedure is absolutely unsupported, if it eats your babies, you are on your own.
I do not need to do it on the running system. I was thinking of booting with the 11.1 DVD and choosing to do an update rather than an install. That is of curse if such an option will be given. I have not tried yet - the system is across the country. -- Roger Oberholtzer OPQ Systems / Ramböll RST Ramböll Sverige AB Krukmakargatan 21 P.O. Box 17009 SE-104 62 Stockholm, Sweden Office: Int +46 8-615 60 20 Mobile: Int +46 70-815 1696 -- "On two occasions I have been asked (by members of Parliament!), 'Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question. - Charles Babbage 1791-1871) English computer pioneer, philosopher And remember: It is RSofT and there is always something under construction. It is like talking about a large city with all construction finished. Not impossible, but very unlikely. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Roger Oberholtzer wrote:
On Mon, 2009-01-26 at 13:57 -0300, Cristian Rodríguez wrote:
Roger Oberholtzer escribió:
Has anyone done this specific upgrade of openSUSE? If so, any pitfalls? I am hoping to avoid having to do a new install on this type of machine.
Yes, I did it with zypper once, and it worked, not without glitched though.
a) add 11.1 repositories, remove the old ones b) upgrade rpm using either yast or rug(cough, cough) c) install zypper and all its dependencies, do not mess with dependencies manually, let the system to decide. d) run zypper ref and then zypper dup, of course, before that, add the repos to zypper if not there. e) once complete, update fstab and grub boot menu to use /dev/sdX instead of /dev/hdX if needed. f) remove package "devs" if installed e) prey to your favorite $DEITY heh :P f) reboot
warning: this procedure is absolutely unsupported, if it eats your babies, you are on your own.
I do not need to do it on the running system. I was thinking of booting with the 11.1 DVD and choosing to do an update rather than an install. That is of curse if such an option will be given. I have not tried yet - the system is across the country.
One more note on the install/update issue. Since 11.0, if you choose Install, then the installer generally determines what your home partition is and preserves/does not format that partition thereby preserving all your tweaks and settings. If it were me, I would just use yast to save you package list from 10.1, pop the 11.1 dvd in and choose install, and confirm that your /home partition won't be touched and just go with it. I tried a 10.3 to 11.0 'update' the blew up on dependencies leading my to go the route I just explained. Bottom line, it took me 3 times longer jacking with package dependencies on the 'update' than it did just to do the install. My /home wasn't touched during the install and I know what packages I load, so the install worked like a perfect upgrade here. You can try the update. Personally, I think Christians' method of using zypper has a much better chance at doing the actual update compared to letting yast try and do it. Keep this in your hip pocket for when the dependencies start flying ;-) -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tue, 2009-01-27 at 03:14 -0600, David C. Rankin wrote:
Keep this in your hip pocket for when the dependencies start flying ;-)
The machine I want to update is pretty much only SUSE RPMs. Either the original or ones done via update. Not lots of funny things added from all over the place. I think using things like pacman leads to confusion as the version numbers used there are not based on the same system as SUSE (for the same package). So sorting out dependencies must have a greater chance of failing. No matter, a backup of needed info will be done first, as is always the case. -- Roger Oberholtzer OPQ Systems / Ramböll RST Ramböll Sverige AB Krukmakargatan 21 P.O. Box 17009 SE-104 62 Stockholm, Sweden Office: Int +46 8-615 60 20 Mobile: Int +46 70-815 1696 -- "On two occasions I have been asked (by members of Parliament!), 'Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question. - Charles Babbage 1791-1871) English computer pioneer, philosopher And remember: It is RSofT and there is always something under construction. It is like talking about a large city with all construction finished. Not impossible, but very unlikely. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 2009/01/26 17:31 (GMT+0100) Roger Oberholtzer composed:
Has anyone done this specific upgrade of openSUSE? If so, any pitfalls? I am hoping to avoid having to do a new install on this type of machine.
Not an answer, but are you aware of the panoply of reported problems in 11.1? You might want to consider asking about upgrade to 11.0 instead, depending on your hardware (especially video) and/or configuration (simple vs multidisk vs RAID). -- "Train a child in the way he should go, and when he is old he will not turn from it." Proverbs 22:6 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Mon, 26 Jan 2009 09:24:27 -0800, Felix Miata <mrmazda@ij.net> wrote:
On 2009/01/26 17:31 (GMT+0100) Roger Oberholtzer composed:
Has anyone done this specific upgrade of openSUSE? If so, any pitfalls? I am hoping to avoid having to do a new install on this type of machine.
Not an answer, but are you aware of the panoply of reported problems in 11.1? You might want to consider asking about upgrade to 11.0 instead, depending on your hardware (especially video) and/or configuration (simple vs multidisk vs RAID).
I second this notion. -- I say never be complete. I say stop being perfect. I say let's evolve. Let the chips fall where they may. -Fight Club -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Mon, 2009-01-26 at 12:24 -0500, Felix Miata wrote:
On 2009/01/26 17:31 (GMT+0100) Roger Oberholtzer composed:
Has anyone done this specific upgrade of openSUSE? If so, any pitfalls? I am hoping to avoid having to do a new install on this type of machine.
Not an answer, but are you aware of the panoply of reported problems in 11.1? You might want to consider asking about upgrade to 11.0 instead, depending on your hardware (especially video) and/or configuration (simple vs multidisk vs RAID).
I have no issues with 11.1 for my use. I have no need of fancy video or RAID. It is a 'simple' KDE3 desktop I am after. I now use 11.1 as my work desktop and have no known issues. YMMV, of course. -- Roger Oberholtzer OPQ Systems / Ramböll RST Ramböll Sverige AB Krukmakargatan 21 P.O. Box 17009 SE-104 62 Stockholm, Sweden Office: Int +46 8-615 60 20 Mobile: Int +46 70-815 1696 -- "On two occasions I have been asked (by members of Parliament!), 'Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question. - Charles Babbage 1791-1871) English computer pioneer, philosopher And remember: It is RSofT and there is always something under construction. It is like talking about a large city with all construction finished. Not impossible, but very unlikely. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Roger Oberholtzer wrote:
I have no issues with 11.1 for my use. I have no need of fancy video or RAID. It is a 'simple' KDE3 desktop I am after. I now use 11.1 as my work desktop and have no known issues. YMMV, of course.
Second that - 11.1 with KDE and YOU running has had no issues on my son's laptop since it went live a month or so ago. -- kai www.perfectreign.com || www.filesite.org bis zum bitteren Ende -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Felix Miata escribió:
but are you aware of the panoply of reported problems in 11.1?
even worst, there are panoply of whinnying users that prefer to be part of the problem instead of part of the solution and fail to recognize that a software product will always have bugs that may affect certain, specific use-cases, but that does not mean it is "broken" for everyone else nor a reason to misguide other people recommending them to install an older version. -- "We have art in order not to die of the truth" - Friedrich Nietzsche Cristian Rodríguez R. Software Developer Platform/OpenSUSE - Core Services SUSE LINUX Products GmbH Research & Development http://www.opensuse.org/
On 2009/01/27 13:28 (GMT-0300) Cristian Rodríguez composed:
Felix Miata escribió:
but are you aware of the panoply of reported problems in 11.1?
even worst, there are panoply of whinnying users that prefer to be part of the problem instead of part of the solution and fail to recognize
I attempt to be part of the solution, by having no less than 7 installations of openSUSE Factory on different systems, as well as at least one installation of every release back to 9.2, besides filing bugs at buzilla.novell.com and upstream as I find them.
that a software product will always have bugs that may affect certain, specific use-cases, but that does not mean it is "broken" for everyone else nor a reason to misguide other people recommending them to install an older version.
It's pretty widely believed in the openSUSE community that some releases are better than others. My experience is support for such believes is valid. Among those poorer releases are 9.1 (first 2.6 kernel), 10.1 (rug and messed up YaST software management) & the short-fused rush-to-release-before-Christmas and imminent-release-of-SLES/SLED 11.1 (long list, among which broken Intel video and common boot loader misconfigurations). Those who don't believe about 11.1 should get an explanation why a month after official release of kernel 2.6.28 that the newest kernel in factory/repo/oss/suse/i586 is 2.6.27. -- "Train a child in the way he should go, and when he is old he will not turn from it." Proverbs 22:6 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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Has anyone done this specific upgrade of openSUSE? If so, any pitfalls? I am hoping to avoid having to do a new install on this type of machine.
Not specifically that one. The usual recomendation: full backup first. You could also first try a fresh install on a test partition, to check if everything will work, solve some issues, and then, try the upgrade on the "normal" partition. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkl+CCMACgkQtTMYHG2NR9UgiQCfdFFPFEr3yK7CjWy/J2zsXu/m omAAniyw5vgBDp73Rccy3njYHaq5S5ea =MicE -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Mon, 26 Jan 2009 17:31:50 +0100 Roger Oberholtzer <roger@opq.se> wrote:
Has anyone done this specific upgrade of openSUSE? If so, any pitfalls? I am hoping to avoid having to do a new install on this type of machine. Not from 10.1. It was 10.2 or 10.3 (I'm not sure). I stumbled in lilo discontinued problem: it is still there but it doesn't work with the defaults because of the message size being too big. I had yo download lilo sources, change MAX_MESSAGE in lilo.h to something sensible (1024000) and recompile it. The rest seemed fine to me. BTW I'll try to update a 10.1 very soon...
Cheers, luciano. -- /"\ /Via A. Salaino, 7 - 20144 Milano (Italy) \ / ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN / PHONE : +39 2 485781 FAX: +39 2 48578250 X AGAINST HTML MAIL / E-MAIL: posthamster@sublink.sublink.ORG / \ AND POSTINGS / WWW: http://www.mannucci.ORG/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Mon, 26 Jan 2009 17:31:50 +0100 Roger Oberholtzer <roger@opq.se> wrote:
Has anyone done this specific upgrade of openSUSE? If so, any pitfalls? Just finished. Seems pretty straight-forward. It doesn't like /dev/hdnX partitions in /etc/fstab, as we all know :), easy to fix IMHO. Bootloader lilo doesn't work (easy to replace), and device names in /etc/sysconfig/network/routes have changed again, so manually added static routes won't show up until fixed. All the rest seems fine to me.
Cheers, Luciano. -- /"\ /Via A. Salaino, 7 - 20144 Milano (Italy) \ / ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN / PHONE : +39 2 485781 FAX: +39 2 48578250 X AGAINST HTML MAIL / E-MAIL: posthamster@sublink.sublink.ORG / \ AND POSTINGS / WWW: http://www.mannucci.ORG/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wed, 2009-01-28 at 11:44 +0100, Luciano Mannucci wrote:
On Mon, 26 Jan 2009 17:31:50 +0100 Roger Oberholtzer <roger@opq.se> wrote:
Has anyone done this specific upgrade of openSUSE? If so, any pitfalls? Just finished. Seems pretty straight-forward. It doesn't like /dev/hdnX partitions in /etc/fstab, as we all know :),
Did it automatically rename them and rewrite the fstab? At least for the root partition? If so, that is fine. Or must one edit this in the update?
easy to fix IMHO. Bootloader lilo doesn't work (easy to replace), and
I use grub anyway.
device names in /etc/sysconfig/network/routes have changed again, so manually added static routes won't show up until fixed. All the rest seems fine to me.
Sounds great. -- Roger Oberholtzer OPQ Systems / Ramböll RST Ramböll Sverige AB Krukmakargatan 21 P.O. Box 17009 SE-104 62 Stockholm, Sweden Office: Int +46 8-615 60 20 Mobile: Int +46 70-815 1696 -- "On two occasions I have been asked (by members of Parliament!), 'Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question. - Charles Babbage 1791-1871) English computer pioneer, philosopher And remember: It is RSofT and there is always something under construction. It is like talking about a large city with all construction finished. Not impossible, but very unlikely. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wed, 28 Jan 2009 11:50:56 +0100 Roger Oberholtzer <roger@opq.se> wrote:
It doesn't like /dev/hdnX partitions in /etc/fstab, as we all know :),
Did it automatically rename them and rewrite the fstab? At least for the root partition? If so, that is fine. Or must one edit this in the update?
I don't know. Scared by the messagebox stating "please reboot and change the options" I did it by hand... It did complain again about /dev/sdnX not beeing a good idea, but did the work straigh away... luciano. -- /"\ /Via A. Salaino, 7 - 20144 Milano (Italy) \ / ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN / PHONE : +39 2 485781 FAX: +39 2 48578250 X AGAINST HTML MAIL / E-MAIL: posthamster@sublink.sublink.ORG / \ AND POSTINGS / WWW: http://www.mannucci.ORG/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wed, 2009-01-28 at 12:10 +0100, Luciano Mannucci wrote:
On Wed, 28 Jan 2009 11:50:56 +0100 Roger Oberholtzer <roger@opq.se> wrote:
It doesn't like /dev/hdnX partitions in /etc/fstab, as we all know :),
Did it automatically rename them and rewrite the fstab? At least for the root partition? If so, that is fine. Or must one edit this in the update?
I don't know. Scared by the messagebox stating "please reboot and change the options" I did it by hand... It did complain again about /dev/sdnX not beeing a good idea, but did the work straigh away...
I think I will be using the by-id disk names. Maybe I will change that before doing the update. Then it should not complain... -- Roger Oberholtzer OPQ Systems / Ramböll RST Ramböll Sverige AB Krukmakargatan 21 P.O. Box 17009 SE-104 62 Stockholm, Sweden Office: Int +46 8-615 60 20 Mobile: Int +46 70-815 1696 -- "On two occasions I have been asked (by members of Parliament!), 'Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question. - Charles Babbage 1791-1871) English computer pioneer, philosopher And remember: It is RSofT and there is always something under construction. It is like talking about a large city with all construction finished. Not impossible, but very unlikely. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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