Re: [opensuse] 10.3 and powermanagement
On Sun, 2008-01-13 at 18:17 -0600, John E. Perry wrote:
Hans Petter Jansson wrote:
I guess this is a bit offtopic, but have you tried the GNOME Power Manager? It creates dynamic battery profiles through statistical sampling. Seems to work pretty well. Pretty graphs too :)
I didn't know about it. I tried gnome early on, but it simply was nowhere near KDE's level of function and ease of use, so I haven't paid a lot of attention to it since then. As I understand it, much of gnome works under KDE, too, so I could certainly give it a try. Do you know offhand if it works well under KDE?
I haven't tried it, but I can't see any immediate reason why it would'nt. The package name is "gnome-power-manager", and you can start it from the command line using that same string. It should pop up an icon with both right- and left-click menus in the system tray. -- Hans Petter -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Hans Petter Jansson wrote:
On Sun, 2008-01-13 at 18:17 -0600, John E. Perry wrote:
Hans Petter Jansson wrote: ...have you tried the GNOME Power Manager?
OK, I tried it -- it works great! It says both of my batteries are about dead -- either damaged or "very old" (in fact, 1-1/2 year old), giving just 47% and 44% of new capacity (now, how do they know that??). This (the present capacity) they estimate at about 1-3/4 hours, which seems to be about right. But then, I don't remember these batteries ever giving much more than this, though I haven't really paid close attention. It's a bit disconcerting that there are practically no control options compared to the KDE power manager; but everything I really need is there. I like the 8 graphs of various trend files it can display. I like its showing me the readout of the battery controller information. I didn't see any evidence of statistical evaluation; the readout says the batteries were designed for 88.8Wh capacity, and the one presently in the machine has only 44.8Wh capacity remaining. It's also nice that when I killed the KDE power manager and started the gnome power manager, KDE pm stayed dead, and Gnome pm kept coming back even through hibernation and reboots. Thanks, Hans Petter. I hope the KDE people get their power management act together soon, even though the gnome power manager appears to work fine under KDE, and I don't really see a need to go back. John Perry -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wednesday 23 January 2008 06:11:01 John E. Perry wrote:
Thanks, Hans Petter. I hope the KDE people get their power management act together soon, even though the gnome power manager appears to work fine under KDE, and I don't really see a need to go back.
I can't find the root of this thread, but did you report a bug to us (the KDE people at Novell) Since Danny, the author of KPowerSave, works here the lines of communication are pretty short and hence bugs are easy to fix. Will -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Will Stephenson wrote:
On Wednesday 23 January 2008 06:11:01 John E. Perry wrote:
Thanks, Hans Petter. I hope the KDE people get their power management act together soon, even though the gnome power manager appears to work fine under KDE, and I don't really see a need to go back.
I can't find the root of this thread, but did you report a bug to us (the KDE people at Novell) Since Danny, the author of KPowerSave, works here the lines of communication are pretty short and hence bugs are easy to fix.
OK, Will, Since I don't know how often you monitor the list, I'm sending a copy to you personally to be sure it gets there quickly. The thread started back in September or October when I commented (I believe during a different thread) that my kpowersave showed strange values for time and % remaining -- things like 17 hours remaining, or a few seconds, with the icon showing nearly full. After some list discussion about configuration, and whether the battery manager was sending the correct information to kpowersavemanager, and my resistance to confronting hp about the problem (xp shows reasonable values), Hans Petter suggested I try gnome-power-manager to see what it said. gpm works fine, gives reasonable values (like xp), and shows a nice history of battery voltage and such. I don't know what I could say in a bug report, though, I guess I could resurrect kpowersave and write down some values, but I have no idea how to get to any original values from the battery controller. Does kpowermanager keep a log as gnome pm apparently does? How might I get to either or both? jp -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sunday 27 January 2008 21:25:57 John E. Perry wrote:
Since I don't know how often you monitor the list, I'm sending a copy to you personally to be sure it gets there quickly.
The thread started back in September or October when I commented (I believe during a different thread) that my kpowersave showed strange values for time and % remaining -- things like 17 hours remaining, or a few seconds, with the icon showing nearly full.
After some list discussion about configuration, and whether the battery manager was sending the correct information to kpowersavemanager, and my resistance to confronting hp about the problem (xp shows reasonable values), Hans Petter suggested I try gnome-power-manager to see what it said.
gpm works fine, gives reasonable values (like xp), and shows a nice history of battery voltage and such.
I don't know what I could say in a bug report, though, I guess I could resurrect kpowersave and write down some values, but I have no idea how to get to any original values from the battery controller. Does kpowermanager keep a log as gnome pm apparently does? How might I get to either or both?
The above 4 paragraphs are reasonable for a report. The burden does not lie on you to know in detail what to report, just to respond to our (hopefully easy to follow) requests for extra info. You could start the ball rolling by putting the raw info from /proc/acpi/battery and the output of lshal -l in the bug report. If do we need any extra info we'll ask in the BR. Remember there may be others with the same problem who aren't willing to switch to g-p-m so it's worth reporting the bug. Will -- Will Stephenson Desktop Engineer KDE Team -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Will Stephenson wrote:
... The above 4 paragraphs are reasonable for a report. The burden does not lie on you to know in detail what to report, just to respond to our (hopefully easy to follow) requests for extra info. You could start the ball rolling by putting the raw info from /proc/acpi/battery and the output of lshal -l in the bug report. If do we need any extra info we'll ask in the BR.
Remember there may be others with the same problem who aren't willing to switch to g-p-m so it's worth reporting the bug.
Will, I'm sorry I haven't responded any more to this -- I didn't realize so much time had passed (your message is from 27 January!). As I mentioned in yet another thread, hp wants me to dump suse and restore the machine to its original xp pro configuration, then they'll work with me to find out if my hardware problems (no sound, either under xp or suse, bad readings from kde, power switch dead) can be fixed under warranty. I'm so dependent on this laptop that it's been a real hassle getting my last 20+G of information onto dvd's so I can wipe the machine and reinstall xp. It'll still be at least a couple of weeks, and that's only if I can get the thing fixed reasonably quickly. Others are whining about 10.3 being fragile -- for me it's been great! better even than 9.0 pro, 9.1, and 9.3 (which were, however, on a different machine). I just wish this damn hp dv6000 were anywhere near as good. John Perry -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
John E. Perry wrote:
Will Stephenson wrote:
... The above 4 paragraphs are reasonable for a report. The burden does not lie on you to know in detail what to report, just to respond to our (hopefully easy to follow) requests for extra info. You could start the ball rolling by putting the raw info from /proc/acpi/battery and the output of lshal -l in the bug report. If do we need any extra info we'll ask in the BR.
Remember there may be others with the same problem who aren't willing to switch to g-p-m so it's worth reporting the bug.
Will, I'm sorry I haven't responded any more to this -- I didn't realize so much time had passed (your message is from 27 January!).
As I mentioned in yet another thread, hp wants me to dump suse and restore the machine to its original xp pro configuration, then they'll work with me to find out if my hardware problems (no sound, either under xp or suse, bad readings from kde, power switch dead) can be fixed under warranty.
For this reason (and only this reason), I pull the Windows drive, and buy a different drive to put SuSE on. When the computer needs repair..the original drive with the Windows installation goes back in solely to please the techs.
I'm so dependent on this laptop that it's been a real hassle getting my last 20+G of information onto dvd's so I can wipe the machine and reinstall xp. It'll still be at least a couple of weeks, and that's only if I can get the thing fixed reasonably quickly.
That's the part that sucks about laptops...
Others are whining about 10.3 being fragile -- for me it's been great! better even than 9.0 pro, 9.1, and 9.3 (which were, however, on a different machine). I just wish this damn hp dv6000 were anywhere near as good.
John Perry
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On Thursday 07 February 2008 07:23:52 am Aaron Kulkis wrote:
John E. Perry wrote:
As I mentioned in yet another thread, hp wants me to dump suse and restore the machine to its original xp pro configuration, then they'll work with me to find out if my hardware problems (no sound, either under xp or suse, bad readings from kde, power switch dead) can be fixed under warranty.
For this reason (and only this reason), I pull the Windows drive, and buy a different drive to put SuSE on.
When the computer needs repair..the original drive with the Windows installation goes back in solely to please the techs.
FWIW, I had an HP dv6000 with hardware problems, and when I made the support call I did tell them I was running linux though I resisted any suggestions to try Windows and forced them to diagnose it anyways. When I got my ticket to send it in for service, I pulled the drive altogether and placed a sticky on it saying "HDD removed for corporate policy reasons". They fixed my system and sent it back three days later. If you have a hardware problem, don't bother including the drive. They can troubleshoot it without it, and it keeps them from sending it back saying "WON'T FIX" because you have linux on it. Just my 2c... Cheers, KV -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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